BUSH TAX CUTS NEED TO BE PERMANENT!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This pretty much sums it up....

Actually, kaydee, America has sent a strong message to Bush and the Bushies in Congress that exactly this kind of paranoid bullshite is no longer working. America has spoken and America is tired of Bush's fear and smear.

Well, I stand by that statement. Doesn't mean that I said what you suggested I said.

[sparkofcreation 0]

My health benefits alone account for more than $6.00/hour - most of which my employer pays. Add paid vacation, holidays and sick time to the mix and we're way north of $10.00 for those little things alone. 401K employer match and the pension fund round up the picture. Take these items that many a permanent position offer in addition to salary and bonus potentials and the $20.00/hour temp job is really not much at all.

You make it sound like people are entitled to all that. They are not.

Frankly, yes, I think all human beings ARE ENTITLED TO MEDICAL CARE. For pity's sakes. Are you saying people need to earn the right to get medical treatment?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

My health benefits alone account for more than $6.00/hour - most of which my employer pays. Add paid vacation, holidays and sick time to the mix and we're way north of $10.00 for those little things alone. 401K employer match and the pension fund round up the picture. Take these items that many a permanent position offer in addition to salary and bonus potentials and the $20.00/hour temp job is really not much at all.

You make it sound like people are entitled to all that. They are not.

I didn't speak of any entitlement. I just put the $20.00/hr temp job pay into proper perspective.

[I'm Gone 60]

My health benefits alone account for more than $6.00/hour - most of which my employer pays. Add paid vacation, holidays and sick time to the mix and we're way north of $10.00 for those little things alone. 401K employer match and the pension fund round up the picture. Take these items that many a permanent position offer in addition to salary and bonus potentials and the $20.00/hour temp job is really not much at all.

You make it sound like people are entitled to all that. They are not.

Frankly, yes, I think all human beings ARE ENTITLED TO MEDICAL CARE. For pity's sakes. Are you saying people need to earn the right to get medical treatment?

Everyone does receive some health care. I believe if you show up at the hospital it's law that they have to treat you. One problem is a lot of people want a free lunch and don't want to divert their play money to buying health insurance. "Do I buy health insurance or take that vacation" and I bet take the vacation wins every time for a lot of the people that cry they can't afford health insurance.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

My health benefits alone account for more than $6.00/hour - most of which my employer pays. Add paid vacation, holidays and sick time to the mix and we're way north of $10.00 for those little things alone. 401K employer match and the pension fund round up the picture. Take these items that many a permanent position offer in addition to salary and bonus potentials and the $20.00/hour temp job is really not much at all.

You make it sound like people are entitled to all that. They are not.

Frankly, yes, I think all human beings ARE ENTITLED TO MEDICAL CARE. For pity's sakes. Are you saying people need to earn the right to get medical treatment?

Everyone does receive some health care. I believe if you show up at the hospital it's law that they have to treat you. One problem is a lot of people want a free lunch and don't want to divert their play money to buying health insurance. "Do I buy health insurance or take that vacation" and I bet take the vacation wins every time for a lot of the people that cry they can't afford health insurance.

There are those, I'm sure. But there are also those that have the choice between eating three meals a day or having some type of minimum health care coverage. I know some folks that fall into that category. And they work more than a full-time job.

[Joel Halfwassen 0]

My health benefits alone account for more than $6.00/hour - most of which my employer pays. Add paid vacation, holidays and sick time to the mix and we're way north of $10.00 for those little things alone. 401K employer match and the pension fund round up the picture. Take these items that many a permanent position offer in addition to salary and bonus potentials and the $20.00/hour temp job is really not much at all.

You make it sound like people are entitled to all that. They are not. Fact is, there are good jobs out there which we can not fill because there are so few qualified people out there who are not already satisfactorily employed. I see it where I work every day.

If one wants all those benefits, one should develop the appropriate skillset.

Yeah...the same problem is at by job too. And with the new immigration rule it take forever to get foreign citizen to fill the spots. It sucks...a business need a certain type of employee, but isn't allowed to employ that person!

Joel

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

My health benefits alone account for more than $6.00/hour - most of which my employer pays. Add paid vacation, holidays and sick time to the mix and we're way north of $10.00 for those little things alone. 401K employer match and the pension fund round up the picture. Take these items that many a permanent position offer in addition to salary and bonus potentials and the $20.00/hour temp job is really not much at all.

You make it sound like people are entitled to all that. They are not. Fact is, there are good jobs out there which we can not fill because there are so few qualified people out there who are not already satisfactorily employed. I see it where I work every day.

If one wants all those benefits, one should develop the appropriate skillset.

Yeah...the same problem is at by job too. And with the new immigration rule it take forever to get foreign citizen to fill the spots. It sucks...a business need a certain type of employee, but isn't allowed to employ that person!

Joel

We fill positions with folks from overseas quite frequently. Half the floor I work on is staffed with folks from Canada and Latin America. We are fortunate enough to be able to do intercompany transfers seeing that we have staff with the needed profiles in our overseas branches and operations.

[Joel Halfwassen 0]

My health benefits alone account for more than $6.00/hour - most of which my employer pays. Add paid vacation, holidays and sick time to the mix and we're way north of $10.00 for those little things alone. 401K employer match and the pension fund round up the picture. Take these items that many a permanent position offer in addition to salary and bonus potentials and the $20.00/hour temp job is really not much at all.

You make it sound like people are entitled to all that. They are not.

Frankly, yes, I think all human beings ARE ENTITLED TO MEDICAL CARE. For pity's sakes. Are you saying people need to earn the right to get medical treatment?

People are NOT entitled to the absolute state-of-the-art, latest, greatest, best medical care that America has to offer. The reality is that our system of medicine finances the development of medical treatment for the rest of the world. WE (through government, insurance, or personal payments to the medical community) pay for the science, R&D, marketing, and the learning curve.

I would NOT be willing to go to a system where I could not receive the latest and greatest medical treatment money could buy. My grandfather was caught up in Canada's social medical system for years with a bad heart. He always had to 'wait his turn' for medical treatment. And although the doctors had a great bedside manner, they could not offer services that were available in the US because they were deemed too expensive by the Canadian government. My parents eventually paid for him to have surgery in the US. The surgery extended his length and quality of life substantially.

Honestly, social medicine doesn’t work…period.

Joel

My health benefits alone account for more than $6.00/hour - most of which my employer pays. Add paid vacation, holidays and sick time to the mix and we're way north of $10.00 for those little things alone. 401K employer match and the pension fund round up the picture. Take these items that many a permanent position offer in addition to salary and bonus potentials and the $20.00/hour temp job is really not much at all.

You make it sound like people are entitled to all that. They are not.

Frankly, yes, I think all human beings ARE ENTITLED TO MEDICAL CARE. For pity's sakes. Are you saying people need to earn the right to get medical treatment?

Everyone does receive some health care. I believe if you show up at the hospital it's law that they have to treat you. One problem is a lot of people want a free lunch and don't want to divert their play money to buying health insurance. "Do I buy health insurance or take that vacation" and I bet take the vacation wins every time for a lot of the people that cry they can't afford health insurance.

It is my understanding that the law is that they can not turn people away if they accept some form of government medical payment. There are plenty of medical clinics now (non emergency) that do not take government medical payments (ie Medicare) and CAN turn people away if they can not pay themselves or with insurance.

Joel

My health benefits alone account for more than $6.00/hour - most of which my employer pays. Add paid vacation, holidays and sick time to the mix and we're way north of $10.00 for those little things alone. 401K employer match and the pension fund round up the picture. Take these items that many a permanent position offer in addition to salary and bonus potentials and the $20.00/hour temp job is really not much at all.

You make it sound like people are entitled to all that. They are not. Fact is, there are good jobs out there which we can not fill because there are so few qualified people out there who are not already satisfactorily employed. I see it where I work every day.

If one wants all those benefits, one should develop the appropriate skillset.

Yeah...the same problem is at by job too. And with the new immigration rule it take forever to get foreign citizen to fill the spots. It sucks...a business need a certain type of employee, but isn't allowed to employ that person!

Joel

We fill positions with folks from overseas quite frequently. Half the floor I work on is staffed with folks from Canada and Latin America. We are fortunate enough to be able to do intercompany transfers seeing that we have staff with the needed profiles in our overseas branches and operations.

That is VERY much the way to do it. Unfortunately not all companies are multinationals. AND I wish it was that easy for those of us with SOs.

[I'm Gone 60]

People are NOT entitled to the absolute state-of-the-art, latest, greatest, best medical care that America has to offer. The reality is that our system of medicine finances the development of medical treatment for the rest of the world. WE (through government, insurance, or personal payments to the medical community) pay for the science, R&D, marketing, and the learning curve.

I have health insurance through work, but it's HMO coverage and I'm sure Donald Trump has better medical care than me, but I don't exspect the goverment to buy me the same coverage. Medical insurance is like everything else, some people have a Mercedes and some people have a Ford and I don't want the government bilking me to giving everyone a car.

[Nikita2Charles 32]

Let just sum it up with one example of what's wrong with the health care industry.

The CEO of United Healthcare one of the Largest health care in the nature, and getting bigger through Merger, This dude got

1 B I L L I O N S $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in compensation package

Where did that money$$$$$$$$$$ come from???

Now with all the backdating of Stock options we are finding out there's more and more CHEATING and the corporate level, These guys will not have to worry about health care FOR LIFE, their CHILDREN no worry for health care FOR LIFE, but the average folks have to keep shelling those $$$$$$$$$ in this pockets, to the board of Directors. this is only ONE EXAMPLES.

What's the average JOE is going to do, and with the constant Greed for $$ we are seeing more and more Jobs going Overseas.

The sad thing in this country, people i would say Corporate america ddidn't learn anything from History, history always has a way of repeating itself. GM, Ford they all ship those job overseas for cheap labor, cheap parts, you get what you paid for. When they were closing the plant there was a big assumption and they even say it WILL RETRAIN THE WORK FORCE.

Where and when did that training ever happened, NO WAY, so now the tech industry is facing the same huddle and eventually It will go down the same way the automobile industry went down. The Japanese now make the best cars, we imported the knowledge to them and they perfected it, it's like beating someone at their own game.

Now my kids when they grow up if they are in the tech industry probably will have to go to ASIA for work.

I have known a few people that have flown to south america, Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia to have medical work done overseas, even with the AIRFARE it's still come out WAY CHEAPER than they would have to pay here. So does anybody see something wrong with that picture

My health benefits alone account for more than $6.00/hour - most of which my employer pays. Add paid vacation, holidays and sick time to the mix and we're way north of $10.00 for those little things alone. 401K employer match and the pension fund round up the picture. Take these items that many a permanent position offer in addition to salary and bonus potentials and the $20.00/hour temp job is really not much at all.

You make it sound like people are entitled to all that. They are not. Fact is, there are good jobs out there which we can not fill because there are so few qualified people out there who are not already satisfactorily employed. I see it where I work every day.

If one wants all those benefits, one should develop the appropriate skillset.

Edited November 10, 2006 by Nikita2Charles

[Carol&Marc 0]

People are NOT entitled to the absolute state-of-the-art, latest, greatest, best medical care that America has to offer. The reality is that our system of medicine finances the development of medical treatment for the rest of the world. WE (through government, insurance, or personal payments to the medical community) pay for the science, R&D, marketing, and the learning curve.

I have health insurance through work, but it's HMO coverage and I'm sure Donald Trump has better medical care than me, but I don't exspect the goverment to buy me the same coverage. Medical insurance is like everything else, some people have a Mercedes and some people have a Ford and I don't want the government bilking me to giving everyone a car.

you will never get a mercedes from the gov...... just a long line!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

People are NOT entitled to the absolute state-of-the-art, latest, greatest, best medical care that America has to offer. The reality is that our system of medicine finances the development of medical treatment for the rest of the world. WE (through government, insurance, or personal payments to the medical community) pay for the science, R&D, marketing, and the learning curve.

I have health insurance through work, but it's HMO coverage and I'm sure Donald Trump has better medical care than me, but I don't exspect the goverment to buy me the same coverage. Medical insurance is like everything else, some people have a Mercedes and some people have a Ford and I don't want the government bilking me to giving everyone a car.

you will never get a mercedes from the gov...... just a long line!

Then why pay ANY taxes at all? Perhaps we should all just hoard our wealth and just get what we need by taking it from someone else. Sounds very Mad Max to me

Explain to me why two people can queue up at the pharmacy and pay wildly different prices for the same prescription drug. Noone can seem to answer that convincingly.

Why? Because profit first, patient care second is a massive conflict of interest.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

you will never get a mercedes from the gov...... just a long line!

That depends on who you are.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The reality is that our system of medicine finances the development of medical treatment for the rest of the world. WE (through government, insurance, or personal payments to the medical community) pay for the science, R&D, marketing, and the learning curve.

If that's true - why is it that drugs researched, developed and manufactured overseas are subjected to a 10-20 fold price mark-up in the US?

How is that justified - I'd really like to know.

[Carol&Marc 0]

come to the U.S. and biotch, if you don't like it go! it's very simple.