Register … or Rebel:

[decocker 7,198]

"Shall Not Be Infringed"

you know, you're right. let's skip all the bs and start giving out handguns with every live birth in the us. a complimentary welcome gift from our forefathers to the future! nothing should stand in the way of a gun getting into a citizen's hands. lets saturate the u.s with every possible weapon available on the planet and then treat them like like pokemon cards. or beanie babies..collect them all, trade, give away your old or unwanted or simply out of style guns for free on craigslist by the truckload (no shows reported)..

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Yes, that's how it works. But the very existence and origin of the United States of America explicitly asserts the belief that not all laws are inherently good or justified and that resisting them can be appropriate. Your appeal to the fact that the laws were passed "through the democratic process" is procedural and insufficient to justify any law. Whether the laws are passed by a monarch, a warlord, or an elected congress, the average citizen has no sway.

That is why we have courts where one can challenge a law. So challenge it. Not complying because you just happen not to like it - that's not the appropriate course of action.

I wasn't saying they are on the same level. (I'm also not saying that they aren't). My issue was with the circle jerk logic that you used to justify requiring that firearms be registered. Any law is justified by your logic by the simple reason that anyone that disobeys it is a criminal. Since non-criminals don't break that law, it's a fine law. Step back and see the larger picture. That's a meaningless way to justify a law, because it justifies any law. Unless you think that there aren't and can't be bad laws, you are using bad logic.

Where did I say that any law is justified? I said that those not complying with a law that requires the registration of firearms would be breaking the law. That implies that I think that this specific law is justified. How you would think that it implies that this extends to any and all laws is beyond me. We are required to register so many things - why not firearms? Again, you think this law violates some supreme principle, then go challenge it in a court of law.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

"Shall Not Be Infringed"

How does a registration requirement infringe on the right to keep and bear arms?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

How does a registration requirement infringe on the right to keep and bear arms?

A right isn't a right if the government has control over if.

you know, you're right. let's skip all the bs and start giving out handguns with every live birth in the us. a complimentary welcome gift from our forefathers to the future! nothing should stand in the way of a gun getting into a citizen's hands. lets saturate the u.s with every possible weapon available on the planet and then treat them like like pokemon cards. or beanie babies..collect them all, trade, give away your old or unwanted or simply out of style guns for free on craigslist by the truckload (no shows reported)..

You're right. Nothing should. Thanks for agreeing.

If someone wants to own and can buy a Nuclear warhead, by all means. I'm game. Why aren't you? Scared?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Seems like the person with a need to accumulate weapons is the one who is scared of something.

[decocker 7,198]

If someone wants to own and can buy a Nuclear warhead, by all means. I'm game. Why aren't you? Scared?

um, yeah. and dude, you're either a straight up liar or suicidal.

further, why should only people who can afford nuclear warheads, own nuclear warheads? lack of money should not infringe my right to pack a nuclear warhead.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

A right isn't a right if the government has control over if.

How is registering a firearm any control over the right to have one? There are rules and regulations governing every last right one has. It comes with living in a society.

further, why should only people who can afford nuclear warheads, own nuclear warheads? lack of money should not infringe my right to pack a nuclear warhead.

[SMR 368]

That is why we have courts where one can challenge a law. So challenge it. Not complying because you just happen not to like it - that's not the appropriate course of action.

18th century England also had courts.

Where did I say that any law is justified? I said that those not complying with a law that requires the registration of firearms would be breaking the law. That implies that I think that this specific law is justified. How you would think that it implies that this extends to any and all laws is beyond me. We are required to register so many things - why not firearms? Again, you think this law violates some supreme principle, then go challenge it in a court of law.

No, you didn't say any law was justified and I didn't say that you did. I said that the logic you used to justify the registration of firearms could justify any law. Thus, if you don't believe that all laws are justified, you can't use that logic and be consistent.

What do you see as the end purpose of registering firearms?

[lostinblue 1,989]

How does a registration requirement infringe on the right to keep and bear arms?

Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin has released documentation showing rejected Democratic proposals for the NY SAFE Act. They included these:

•Confiscation of all firearms arbitrarily redefined as “assault weapons”

That is next year after everything is registered.....correct.That is the main goal of gun registration and most liberals.A common gun used in self defense against more than one attacker. .

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

18th century England also had courts.

And?

What do you see as the end purpose of registering firearms?

To keep track of them. These are leathal tools designed to inflict injury or death and way too many of them are in hands they should not be in. Too many change hands that they shouldn't change between. And there ain't a damn thing anyone can do about it because there is no way of tracking any of that. Meanwhile, thousands of people are killed with these firearms each and every year.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin has released documentation showing rejected Democratic proposals for the NY SAFE Act. They included these:

•Confiscation of all firearms arbitrarily redefined as “assault weapons”

That is next year after everything is registered.....correct. That is the main goal of gun registration and most liberals. A common gun used in self defense against more than one attacker. .

That's what the paranoid voices in your head tell you but that doesn't make it so. Many places with relatively high gun ownership rates have had registration requirements for decades and nobody has confiscated the guns.

[lostinblue 1,989]

And?

To keep track of them. These are leathal tools designed to inflict injury or death and way too many of them are in hands they should not be in. Too many change hands that they shouldn't change between. And there ain't a damn thing anyone can do about it because there is no way of tracking any of that. Meanwhile, thousands of people are killed with these firearms each and every year.

You have never controled the drug trade or people crossing the borders.....What would be different with guns...Throw another 50 AR15's on that next weed shipment to Tampa. You will not control anything except people the obey the law. The gang bangers will obey your law?

[lostinblue 1,989]

That's what the paranoid voices in your head tell you but that doesn't make it so. Many places with relatively high gun ownership rates have had registration requirements for decades and nobody has confiscated the guns.

Why ar you so dense....Liberals tried to push it through.What was tried in NY.....

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You have never controled the drug trade or people crossing the borders.....What would be different with guns...Throw another 50 AR15's on that next weed shipment to Tampa. You will not control anything except people the obey the law. The gang bangers will obey your law?

It's a stupid argument. Following that logic, we should get rid of all laws since good people will do the right thing whether there's a law demanding it or not and bad people will disobey the law anyway. So why have any laws?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Seems like the person with a need to accumulate weapons is the one who is scared of something.

ever heard the term 'better to be safe, than sorry.'

How is registering a firearm any control over the right to have one? There are rules and regulations governing every last right one has. It comes with living in a society.

Papers please Comrade!

I mean, I'm sure you have no problem with us asking individuals for papers to make sure they are legally here and not committing a crime. After all, 'it comes with living in a society.'