A Man Topic...Fishing !

[Darnell 8,479]

I lived on a lake for two years. We had 5 trotlines buried. We went out almost every day on a trotline run. Bring back a bunch of fish, which I had to clean. Usually 50 pounds of fish or more, each time, cleaned weight. Offal went to the chickens, usually - sometimes I would grind the fish heads and put in the garden.

I rarely went out for 'sport fishing' in my adult life, didn't see the fun it it. I know other people have fun doing it, though.

In my mid thirties, had a longish talk with a friend about fishing - it went mostly like this:

When we go fishing, we don't talk about work, wives, girlfriends, the boss, political stuff. We drink beer and fish, sometimes talking about fishing.

I knew I'd never make a good fishing buddy, and I learned why, from that convo.

Sometimes I will buy and sell old gear, but that's only because I know what it is - there's neverr any 'fun' in it for me.

[SAT 9,609]

Sorry...I know...man topic, I hope you didn't mind

Its a man topic, but you're welcome to post here too.

At any rate, that's a great story. Almost sounded like Hemingway lol...

[JstaRebel 48]

I'm sure most everyone on this board has seen this, but what struck me as funny was the way the author describes the term (Backing Down). Backing down on any large fish and especially a Marlin is a tactic that is used to gain line back on the reel that was stripped off by the fish. The author posts that "it drowns the fish" when in reality, keeping the boat going forward while fighting any large fish drowns it, and the backing down tactic actually saves the fish from drowning and being tired out so completely that it dies.

So my opinion after looking at some of the photos is that while backing down on the fish, an inexperienced captain swamped the boat (relitivly small boat without suffecient scuppers) and upon his attempt to raise the bow started going forward in a hurry without noticing how the helm (steering) was situated causing the boat to turn sharply to starboard and take one more water.

I'm interested if anyone else has an opinion on this??

Marlin Sinks Fishing Boat?

A fisherman off Panama was battling a huge black marlin when the battle took a turn for the worse. The fish sank the boat.

Not all the details are in, but apparently the captain began backing down on the huge fish, a common practice in big-game fishing when a fish is taking line. He puts the boat in reverse to chase the fish. BACKING DOWN means they really drown the damn fish by pulling the fish in reverse, because the puny human fishing cannot reel in a dinosaur like this. Fish that breathe with gills must move forward through the water or else they suffocate due to the workings of the gills.

However, several says that the fish didn’t sink the boat, a mistake by the captain did. As soon as there was slack on that line, that fish spit the hook.

[SAT 9,609]

I'm sure most everyone on this board has seen this, but what struck me as funny was the way the author describes the term (Backing Down). Backing down on any large fish and especially a Marlin is a tactic that is used to gain line back on the reel that was stripped off by the fish. The author posts that "it drowns the fish" when in reality, keeping the boat going forward while fighting any large fish drowns it, and the backing down tactic actually saves the fish from drowning and being tired out so completely that it dies.

So my opinion after looking at some of the photos is that while backing down on the fish, an inexperienced captain swamped the boat (relitivly small boat without suffecient scuppers) and upon his attempt to raise the bow started going forward in a hurry without noticing how the helm (steering) was situated causing the boat to turn sharply to starboard and take one more water.

I'm interested if anyone else has an opinion on this??

Marlin Sinks Fishing Boat?

A fisherman off Panama was battling a huge black marlin when the battle took a turn for the worse. The fish sank the boat.

Not all the details are in, but apparently the captain began backing down on the huge fish, a common practice in big-game fishing when a fish is taking line. He puts the boat in reverse to chase the fish. BACKING DOWN means they really drown the damn fish by pulling the fish in reverse, because the puny human fishing cannot reel in a dinosaur like this. Fish that breathe with gills must move forward through the water or else they suffocate due to the workings of the gills.

However, several says that the fish didn’t sink the boat, a mistake by the captain did. As soon as there was slack on that line, that fish spit the hook.

Rebel I was studying those pictures too. And I just don't know what to make of it. It's difficult to see the condition of the water. The boat appears to be a 27 to 30 footer. May be an aquasport. I never liked tuna towers for reasons like this. Makes the boat top heavy. So I don't know what this guy did to lose his vessel. But you have a good guess at it. I have a 30 footer and I never liked backing down. On my vessel, it's man vs fish. I'll only spin the boat as necessary. But it's been a few years since I've gone to the Hudson canyon. I got caught offshore in a bad storm a few years ago and haven't ventured out that far since. Hudson canyon btw, has some of the worlds best fishing as it is the largest underwater canyon. About 80 miles southeast of ny harbor's Ambrose channel...

[JstaRebel 48]

Rebel I was studying those pictures too. And I just don't know what to make of it. It's difficult to see the condition of the water. The boat appears to be a 27 to 30 footer. May be an aquasport. I never liked tuna towers for reasons like this. Makes the boat top heavy. So I don't know what this guy did to lose his vessel. But you have a good guess at it. I have a 30 footer and I never liked backing down. On my vessel, it's man vs fish. I'll only spin the boat as necessary. But it's been a few years since I've gone to the Hudson canyon. I got caught offshore in a bad storm a few years ago and haven't ventured out that far since. Hudson canyon btw, has some of the worlds best fishing as it is the largest underwater canyon. About 80 miles southeast of ny harbor's Ambrose channel...

How is your boat powered.. Single or double? I got talked into going aloft to the tower ONE time.. Never again.. I'd rather be hoisted up my mast.. going up was a lot easier than coming down.. 80 miles out is a long way on any boat unless your set up to spend a few days out.. Gas or deisel would be a killer too! Have any Striper pictures??

Fair Winds & Calm Seas..

[SAT 9,609]

How is your boat powered.. Single or double? I got talked into going aloft to the tower ONE time.. Never again.. I'd rather be hoisted up my mast.. going up was a lot easier than coming down.. 80 miles out is a long way on any boat unless your set up to spend a few days out.. Gas or deisel would be a killer too! Have any Striper pictures??

Fair Winds & Calm Seas..

OK reb, I uploaded a couple of Striper pics into my profile ...

I have twin inboard 360s on my boat, She's 6 tons and has 2 tanks, 300 gallon cap total, 55 gallon fresh water, upper and lower helms. And she's outfitted for a couple of days out....A Canyon run here is no joke, usually we'll hug the Jersey coast, go to Shark River to refuel before heading out due East (From there it's closer)... I go for about 2 days with no sleep when I make that run. Nowadays, I'd much rather just charter a boat to make that trip. It's a lot easier... Try Googling The Hudson Canyon...NY has great fishing...

[kytwell 179]

I love to flyfish, mainly for trout. Pennsylvania has a lot of limestone streams and I've fished most of the major ones. A group of buddies and I also head up to Pulaski, NY each October to the Salmon River, we also try to get out to Erie, PA once a year for steelhead and we also go down to NJ once or twice a year on a charter for blues.

Some stories that were funny after the fact:

I was about 20ish and was fishing around dusk on a local pond with my friend. We were using surface lures for the bass, when a dang bat came down and attacked my lure when I went to pull back on the rod the dang bat came whizzing back past my buddies head and scratched him or bit him--he had to go get rabies shots.

I had a dog chase after me and I had to climb a tree and stayed up there for about an hour, until he finally bored of me.

We went crabbing one year down in Maryland. We ended up with a ####### load of them, it was a killer day. When we got back to the shore, I jumped out to start pulling the boat in and my buddy for some unknown reason decided to stand up and start lifting the basket of crabs we caught, well when I went and tugged the boat hard to pull it in he fell off the back of the boat while the basket of crabs was in his hands. SPLASH he went with our crabs.

On a trout opener when my Dad brought some of my buddies and his buddies had brought their sons-when I was about 14 or 15. It was the morning after an evening rain storm. We got to the stream around 5am and we youg'ens decided we wanted to cross the stream against the advice of the elder's and be on the other side from our Father's. We all had our limits by about 10am. When we went to cross the stream, the creek had risen from its earlier depth and we couldn't cross it without the water going over our waders. We ended up having to hike out about 2 miles until there was a bridge we could cross, along the way one of my buddies who brought their little brother ended up getting stuck in mud up to his hips-what a mess. My Dad still uses this as an example to this day, as to why I should listen to his advice.

[SAT 9,609]

I love to flyfish, mainly for trout. Pennsylvania has a lot of limestone streams and I've fished most of the major ones. A group of buddies and I also head up to Pulaski, NY each October to the Salmon River, we also try to get out to Erie, PA once a year for steelhead and we also go down to NJ once or twice a year on a charter for blues.

Some stories that were funny after the fact:

I was about 20ish and was fishing around dusk on a local pond with my friend. We were using surface lures for the bass, when a dang bat came down and attacked my lure when I went to pull back on the rod the dang bat came whizzing back past my buddies head and scratched him or bit him--he had to go get rabies shots.

I had a dog chase after me and I had to climb a tree and stayed up there for about an hour, until he finally bored of me.

We went crabbing one year down in Maryland. We ended up with a ####### load of them, it was a killer day. When we got back to the shore, I jumped out to start pulling the boat in and my buddy for some unknown reason decided to stand up and start lifting the basket of crabs we caught, well when I went and tugged the boat hard to pull it in he fell off the back of the boat while the basket of crabs was in his hands. SPLASH he went with our crabs.

On a trout opener when my Dad brought some of my buddies and his buddies had brought their sons-when I was about 14 or 15. It was the morning after an evening rain storm. We got to the stream around 5am and we youg'ens decided we wanted to cross the stream against the advice of the elder's and be on the other side from our Father's. We all had our limits by about 10am. When we went to cross the stream, the creek had risen from its earlier depth and we couldn't cross it without the water going over our waders. We ended up having to hike out about 2 miles until there was a bridge we could cross, along the way one of my buddies who brought their little brother ended up getting stuck in mud up to his hips-what a mess. My Dad still uses this as an example to this day, as to why I should listen to his advice.

That crab story is great...

every now and then, I visit my Godsons in Cameron Cty Pa (Near Emporium), and I do a little fly fishing overthere. Great fishing.

When I get on my boat, I try to avoid the Bluefish, as the bay here is loaded with them and they disturb my Striped bass fishing...

Fishing always create great memories. Sh*t that we never forget.

[Novembro 1,763]

Ice fishing tourney yesterday. Fishing is not just for men, men.

[SAT 9,609]

Ice fishing tourney yesterday. Fishing is not just for men, men.

Lol that's great. OK, you win...

[Ban Hammer 13,550]

I'm sure most everyone on this board has seen this, but what struck me as funny was the way the author describes the term (Backing Down). Backing down on any large fish and especially a Marlin is a tactic that is used to gain line back on the reel that was stripped off by the fish. The author posts that "it drowns the fish" when in reality, keeping the boat going forward while fighting any large fish drowns it, and the backing down tactic actually saves the fish from drowning and being tired out so completely that it dies.

So my opinion after looking at some of the photos is that while backing down on the fish, an inexperienced captain swamped the boat (relitivly small boat without suffecient scuppers) and upon his attempt to raise the bow started going forward in a hurry without noticing how the helm (steering) was situated causing the boat to turn sharply to starboard and take one more water.

I'm interested if anyone else has an opinion on this??

he was backing too fast.

backing down, as you stated, allows one to gain line back - it also means the fish has to swim further to strip the reel so it can tire out before the line is gone. backing down also helps keep the rod pointed in line the fish (provided one has a reasonably adept captain) as this relieves stress on the rod, line, and rod holder.

eta: going forward is a sure way to snap the line.

Edited February 4, 2013 by charles!

[SAT 9,609]

he was backing too fast.

backing down, as you stated, allows one to gain line back - it also means the fish has to swim further to strip the reel so it can tire out before the line is gone. backing down also helps keep the rod pointed in line the fish (provided one has a reasonably adept captain) as this relieves stress on the rod, line, and rod holder.

eta: going forward is a sure way to snap the line.

backing too fast or not, it doesn't look like it was taking on water that sank the boat. I think he had I/Os and gunned it with the outdrives turned (he was trying to orient the tips of the pole at the same time), it could also have been that 1 engine stalled (losing 1 engine in a twin engine configuration during crucial maneuvers has dangerous consequences). <shrugs>