Shooting at Lone Star College in north Houston

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You know, I always hear this statement. "They would have done it with anything!"

Possibly.

But guess what they choose the vast majority of the time?

It isn't one of the "other" types of weapons.

There was a story posted here just the other day of a man who killed his girlfriend or wife - can't remember which. He didn't even own a gun. He went out and purchased one and killed her that very day. Why didn't he use one of the "other" weapons he must have had in his house?

Because someone who wants to kill someone fast goes for the weapon that will do just that. And it's not a hammer or a baseball bat.

That case you quote there actually had two victims dead - the estranged wife of the shooter as well as her uncle. The uncle's 12 year old daughter was left shot and in critical condition. And it's right, the guy bought the gun just hours before meeting his estranged wife in a public place to make a custodial exchange of their two year old child. That's right, the two year old child was present when his or her father shot his or her mother dead. Guns make this ####### possible and every friggin' idiot can get his hands on one without any controls or barriers in place. And that is why we have this kind of ####### going on each and every day in this country.

[Karee 4,191]

I've yet to see anyone think that the guns are the only issue. Just part of a larger problem.

You must not have a television in your house.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

You must not have a television in your house.

I do. And I've yet to see anyone think that if you take away the guns, you completely eliminate the problem.

That case you quote there actually had two victims dead - the estranged wife of the shooter as well as her uncle. The uncle's 12 year old daughter was left shot and in critical condition. And it's right, the guy bought the gun just hours before meeting his estranged wife in a public place to make a custodial exchange of their two year old child. That's right, the two year old child was present when his or her father shot his or her mother dead. Guns make this ####### possible and every friggin' idiot can get his hands on one without any controls or barriers in place. And that is why we have this kind of ####### going on each and every day in this country.

That's right, I couldn't remember the details. Thanks.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I guess it's easy to blame firearms. It's a quick, easy scapegoat.

Kinda like blaming drug dealers for overdose deaths, which seems to be the latest fad in law enforcement. Here in Texas anyway. Or blamig the bartender that over-served someone before they went out on the highway and killed a family of 4.

I have news for you. It's not the guns fault, it's not the drug dealers fault, and it's not the bartenders fault. We all really know who's fault it is. It's society as a whole. Fixing society is tough. Much tougher than banning firearms, or outlawing drugs and alcohol.

As long as we can blame the guns, we wont have to blame ourselves. This country has turned in to one big finger-pointing festival.

But if we're saying that we have a violence problem in society, is it not irresponsible and outright insane not to put effective gun controls in place? Guns are made to kill, to maximize the deadly force a determined person can unleash. This is why we put guns into the hands of our armed forces when we send them into war. Obviously, a gun in ever more hands is not addressing the root problems we have but it makes the results and the outcomes so much worse. How can we say that society has issues that need to be fixed in order to curb violence while advocating for the uncontrolled and virtually unlimited proliferation of guns at the same time? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Edited June 14, 2013 by Kathryn41
to remove quote requested removed by OP

[Karee 4,191]

But if we're saying that we have a violence problem in society, is it not irresponsible and outright insane not to put effective gun controls in place? Guns are made to kill, to maximize the deadly force a determined person can unleash. This is why we put guns into the hands of our armed forces when we send them into war. Obviously, a gun in ever more hands is not addressing the root problems we have but it makes the results and the outcomes so much worse. How can we say that society has issues that need to be fixed in order to curb violence while advocating for the uncontrolled and virtually unlimited proliferation of guns at the same time? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes, I agree. Unlimited guns is a bad thing. Simply making them illegal isn't going to solve anything.

Cocaine is bad. So is Heroin. They are both illegal. As far as I know, Coca leaves and Opium poppies don't even grow in the U.S., yet both of those drugs are readily available. Granted they are not as easy to get as buying a pack of Marlboros, but still fairly easy. Making something illegal that people want, will simply create an underground market for it. Forget about the potential black market you would create by outlawing firearms, what about the existing firearms that are already here? In a perfect world, they would've fixed this second ammendment issue 150 years ago.

You can not legislate morals and responsibility.

[sjr09 155]

That case you quote there actually had two victims dead - the estranged wife of the shooter as well as her uncle. The uncle's 12 year old daughter was left shot and in critical condition. And it's right, the guy bought the gun just hours before meeting his estranged wife in a public place to make a custodial exchange of their two year old child. That's right, the two year old child was present when his or her father shot his or her mother dead. Guns make this ####### possible and every friggin' idiot can get his hands on one without any controls or barriers in place. And that is why we have this kind of ####### going on each and every day in this country.

What kind of controls or barriers do we put in place, for such a case as this?

Las Vegas police were searching for answers Tuesday after one of their own killed his wife and son, called 911 to confess, then set his house on fire and committed suicide as rifle-toting cops moved in.　

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/22/16642392-las-vegas-police-in-shock-after-lieutenant-kills-wife-son-self?lite

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Yes, I agree. Unlimited guns is a bad thing. Simply making them illegal isn't going to solve anything.

Nobody is really talking about making guns illegal. This is about putting effective controls around gun ownership. It's about holding gun owners responsible for their weapons.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What kind of controls or barriers do we put in place, for such a case as this?

Las Vegas police were searching for answers Tuesday after one of their own killed his wife and son, called 911 to confess, then set his house on fire and committed suicide as rifle-toting cops moved in.　

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/22/16642392-las-vegas-police-in-shock-after-lieutenant-kills-wife-son-self?lite

Troubled cop? I don't know. I'd suspect that there were signs that something is off with this guy.

[PMartin37 161]

We are going to have to start working on the root issues of these problems. Let's start with decent mental care for these troubled PEOPLE that kill with guns! Oh wait... no.. that would involve government spending. Treating people with mental issues= big government spending. Scratch that idea.

Any alternative issues the far right and the NRA speak of, there is absolutely NO plan in the works for. WHY? This is the root of the problem correct? So why aren't RW politicians feverishly working overtime to solve this national crisis and brainstorming ideas and proposing legislation? Oh wait... that would involve actual work in congress. Scratch that idea.

It's just much easier to get the RWers riled up about having their rights violated and block anything Obama or the task force proposes than to actually offer any ideas of their own. I'm so glad our house has their priorities straight.

Edited January 22, 2013 by PMartin37

[Karee 4,191]

Nobody is really talking about making guns illegal. This is about putting effective controls around gun ownership. It's about holding gun owners responsible for their weapons.

I'm cool with that. I still doubt it will change much.

[Robert&Liliya 31]

So the solution we get from the far left is to pass legislation that only affects law abiding citizens and will do nothing to stop what happened at Sandy Hook?

Nobody is really talking about making guns illegal.

They made high capacity clips illegal in New York and gave people a time limit to sell them out of state. That is reaching into law abiding citizens homes and taking things that they bought legally because the government says so. That’s a small step away from making guns illegal. People balk at big change but are less resistant to small changes over time that end up at the same result.

[Karee 4,191]

Nobody is really talking about making guns illegal. This is about putting effective controls around gun ownership. It's about holding gun owners responsible for their weapons.

You might not be. But I hear alot of people talking about banning this type of weapon, or this type of magazine.

[sjr09 155]

Troubled cop? I don't know. I'd suspect that there were signs that something is off with this guy.

I would think the same, but something needs to be put in place for cops. Right?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

You know, I always hear this statement. "They would have done it with anything!"

Possibly.

But guess what they choose the vast majority of the time?

It isn't one of the "other" types of weapons.

There was a story posted here just the other day of a man who killed his girlfriend or wife - can't remember which. He didn't even own a gun. He went out and purchased one and killed her that very day. Why didn't he use one of the "other" weapons he must have had in his house?

Because someone who wants to kill someone fast goes for the weapon that will do just that. And it's not a hammer or a baseball bat.

Why bring a knife to a gunfight?

[Darnell 8,479]

Whew. My son teaches at Lone Star College. Thankfully (for me) the shooting occurred on a different campus. He doesn't work on 'that' campus. Yay !