Treating Foreign Women Like a Commodity

[lierre 224]

Two consenting adults that choose to be together.. What effort would you suggest be put into place to stop them?

At that point, it will be futile. There isn't a direct law that prohibits consenting adults from engaging in a relationship of "buyer" and "commodity".

The tough, meticulous US immigration process is the primary way of preventing foreigners in fraudulent relationships from acquiring immigrant status. But, this doesn't weed out the "buyer-commodity" kind of relationships entirely.

Websites that market "commodity" brides should ideally be shut down. However, current laws of most countries on internet-related issues are not exactly able to sanction what needs to be sanctioned.

[decocker 7,198]

The tough, meticulous US immigration process is the primary way of preventing foreigners in fraudulent relationships from acquiring immigrant status. But, this doesn't weed out the "buyer-commodity" kind of relationships entirely.

this might be true, if our immigration process wasn't a 'buyer-commodity' to begin with. my husband and i could be the most legitimate in love couple in the entire universe - if we can't come up with the money to buy our way through the "meticulous u.s immigration process", we won't be together in the u.s.

meanwhile two people simply seeking a mutually beneficial arrangement, who have plenty of money and means, will have no trouble getting through this same 'meticulous' process. there is nothing wrong with this type of relationship, two adults should be able to make whatever arrangements fit their wants and needs.

at the end of the day, the whole thing comes down to money, not love or meeting the mark of 'genuine' companionship. immigration can't effectively judge interpersonal relationships via bureaucracy, they can only accept fees, push paper, and attempt to weed out individuals the system believes have intentions of fraud.

[JstaRebel 48]

Hello all,

As the BUYER, I'm allowing my COMMODITY to leave for Miami this weekend so that she can partially fulfill one of her desires which is to spend some time in the US mainland and experience a little bit of the "Gringo Lifestyle". Her Niece has just had her own little commodity (a baby), and her sister (another buyer) is willing to allow my commodity to help her in her cafeteria where she desperately needs help so that she can go to Santo Domingo to visit her family. My commodity is even going to get paid buy her (temporary buyer), so I will be off the hook for a small amount of time as her permanent buyer. As my commodities buyer, I'm wanting my commodity to have the opportunity to fulfill (at least partially) her dreams so that possibly she can be looked at as a "Real Human Being". Who knows?? Perhaps she may even stop looking at me as her buyer and start looking at me as her loving husband!!

PS does anyone else think that maybe more laws should be made for the SEX SLAVE TRADE and SEX TOURISTS rather than the commodity thing??? Does anyone else know how many American men and women as well as European men and women travel to these impoverished countries to simply to take advantage of these people??

PSS, My apologies for posting such a brash post, but I found this thread so offensive in the nature of some of the posts that I just couldn't help myself.

[N-o-l-a 7,167]

Hello all,

As the BUYER, I'm allowing my COMMODITY to leave for Miami this weekend so that she can partially fulfill one of her desires which is to spend some time in the US mainland and experience a little bit of the "Gringo Lifestyle". Her Niece has just had her own little commodity (a baby), and her sister (another buyer) is willing to allow my commodity to help her in her cafeteria where she desperately needs help so that she can go to Santo Domingo to visit her family. My commodity is even going to get paid buy her (temporary buyer), so I will be off the hook for a small amount of time as her permanent buyer. As my commodities buyer, I'm wanting my commodity to have the opportunity to fulfill (at least partially) her dreams so that possibly she can be looked at as a "Real Human Being". Who knows?? Perhaps she may even stop looking at me as her buyer and start looking at me as her loving husband!!

PS does anyone else think that maybe more laws should be made for the SEX SLAVE TRADE and SEX TOURISTS rather than the commodity thing??? Does anyone else know how many American men and women as well as European men and women travel to these impoverished countries to simply to take advantage of these people??

PSS, My apologies for posting such a brash post, but I found this thread so offensive in the nature of some of the posts that I just couldn't help myself.

You are the one who seems to think that this post and thread applies to you.

I certainly don't think of my foreign husband as a commodity or would ever think that such a thing would apply to me, odd that you would.

[lierre 224]

Hello all,

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PS does anyone else think that maybe more laws should be made for the SEX SLAVE TRADE and SEX TOURISTS rather than the commodity thing??? Does anyone else know how many American men and women as well as European men and women travel to these impoverished countries to simply to take advantage of these people??

PSS, My apologies for posting such a brash post, but I found this thread so offensive in the nature of some of the posts that I just couldn't help myself.

this might be true, if our immigration process wasn't a 'buyer-commodity' to begin with. my husband and i could be the most legitimate in love couple in the entire universe - if we can't come up with the money to buy our way through the "meticulous u.s immigration process", we won't be together in the u.s.

meanwhile two people simply seeking a mutually beneficial arrangement, who have plenty of money and means, will have no trouble getting through this same 'meticulous' process. there is nothing wrong with this type of relationship, two adults should be able to make whatever arrangements fit their wants and needs.

at the end of the day, the whole thing comes down to money, not love or meeting the mark of 'genuine' companionship. immigration can't effectively judge interpersonal relationships via bureaucracy, they can only accept fees, push paper, and attempt to weed out individuals the system believes have intentions of fraud.

Your posts make me wonder if any backreading of this thread was done. If not, please do so, then re-read my earlier comment.

The US immigration process is not a "buyer-commodity" arrangement. And as I said, immigration-related agencies do not have foolproof procedures to detect against 'genuine companionship'. They are limited by what can be recorded on paper, video, photos... as tangible proof.

The term "commodity" is what comes to mind when you read posts like this one: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/397447-filipina-wife-got-greencard-child-education-and-divorced-me/page__view__findpost__p__5791605 It is akin to prostitution IMHO... Hence the "buyer" and "commodity" analogy was what first came to my mind.

Edited February 1, 2013 by ivyanddan

[JstaRebel 48]

Your posts make me wonder if any backreading of this thread was done. If not, please do so, then re-read my earlier comment.

The US immigration process is not a "buyer-commodity" arrangement. And as I said, immigration-related agencies do not have foolproof procedures to detect against 'genuine companionship'. They are limited by what can be recorded on paper, video, photos... as tangible proof.

The term "commodity" is what comes to mind when you read posts like this one: http://www.visajourn...ost__p__5791605 It is akin to prostitution IMHO... Hence the "buyer" and "commodity" analogy was what first came to my mind.

Actually, your post was not what I found offensive, and your post actually gave me the oportunity to reply to what I read in the the first six pages of this thread. In fact, I found your reply to be one of the few true and correct statements in the thread. This was the third attempt at a reply on my part, and the only one that I posted becuse the others were just too abrasive.

Fair Winds & Calm Seas,

JstaRebel

[decocker 7,198]

Your posts make me wonder if any backreading of this thread was done. If not, please do so, then re-read my earlier comment.

The US immigration process is not a "buyer-commodity" arrangement. And as I said, immigration-related agencies do not have foolproof procedures to detect against 'genuine companionship'. They are limited by what can be recorded on paper, video, photos... as tangible proof.

The term "commodity" is what comes to mind when you read posts like this one: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/397447-filipina-wife-got-greencard-child-education-and-divorced-me/page__view__findpost__p__5791605 It is akin to prostitution IMHO... Hence the "buyer" and "commodity" analogy was what first came to my mind.

it isn't lack of reading, it is a difference of opinion.

imo - the us immigration is a buyer commodity arrangement. the reason immigration doesn't have a fool proof procedure against a fraudulent application is because there is no such thing as 'tangible proof'. anyone can fill out forms, take pictures, stay in hotel rooms, book flights, visit, even enjoy each other's company - as long as they have the money and willingness to go through the process, the visa/green card can be obtained. sometimes immigration can pick up on clues if the petitioner is being fooled into thinking a relationship is genuine, but that's about it.

as far as that post you linked to goes, i don't see the 'prostitution' angle. what i see is a guy who is hurt because he was used for his money and he also isn't very smart, because he wants to 'get another one'. i still think the guy was a troll. imo - with the 'get another one' attitude he has a pretty good chance of getting the shaft, again. there's a difference between one person in a relationship having an ownership attitude and two adults deciding mutually how to live their lives in a manner that benefits both parties involved ..

Edited February 1, 2013 by val erie

[The Mean Lady 604]

Oh wow, this thread got srs again

[SMR 368]

I think that part of the context of this discussion has to be about how the treatment of foreign spouses differs from domestic spouses. Phrases like 'lots of fish in the sea' and the associated attitude are common and don't really have anything to do with the immigration situation. If a relationship falls apart, most people would agree that it's not abnormal or unhealthy for both partners to eventually look for another partner. Why then, is a man whose relationship with one foreign spouse or fiancee falls apart suddenly a buyer when he starts to look for a second. If his intentions and commitment to the relationship are real and honest, this isn't any different than if he looked for ladies at the local bar. The only difference is that a foreign relationship inherently implies certain costs, for visas, travel, etc.

This isn't to say that I don't think there are people who abuse women who are in unfortunate situations. It's just that the attitude that you can find someone else is in no way unique to international relationships, nor is said attitude necessarily disfunctional.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

PS does anyone else think that maybe more laws should be made for the SEX SLAVE TRADE and SEX TOURISTS rather than the commodity thing??? Does anyone else know how many American men and women as well as European men and women travel to these impoverished countries to simply to take advantage of these people??

Many people think flying down and finding a bride from an impoverished part of the world as "taking advantage" of them.. I've spent a fair amount of time in the DR so yeah well aware of sex tourists.. Again it is legal there and both sides are consenting adults.

This happens for both genders. Go to any club near a resort tin the DR and they are filled with sankies looking for traveling middle-aged female tourists and young women looking for middle-aged and older male tourists. Nobody seems to think the Sankies are being taken advantage of and hey no problem if Stella wants to get her groove back - but swap the genders and the world is coming to an end..

The sex slave trade is another subject - not a question of passing laws to stop it any more than passing a new law would curb rape.. Not sure it really belongs in this conversation.

Edited February 1, 2013 by OnMyWayID

[lierre 224]

Actually, your post was not what I found offensive, and your post actually gave me the oportunity to reply to what I read in the the first six pages of this thread. In fact, I found your reply to be one of the few true and correct statements in the thread. This was the third attempt at a reply on my part, and the only one that I posted becuse the others were just too abrasive.

Fair Winds & Calm Seas,

JstaRebel

Alright. Thank you

as far as that post you linked to goes, i don't see the 'prostitution' angle. what i see is a guy who is hurt because he was used for his money and he also isn't very smart, because he wants to 'get another one'. i still think the guy was a troll. imo - with the 'get another one' attitude he has a pretty good chance of getting the shaft, again. there's a difference between one person in a relationship having an ownership attitude and two adults deciding mutually how to live their lives in a manner that benefits both parties involved ..

To quote that other post,

" So now I'm alone and nearly broke after paying her 40% of my income in child support and alimony but I am 1/2 Filipino and want to keep my connection to the Philippines and I dont think all Filipinas are bad, I just got one that was and I want another one....not so young maybe. I'd like to find one already here but there are so few where I live. I'm wondering if I can get another one from the Philippines after I divorce. What will USCIS think about it? What are the rules and pros and cons? Can I even do it even if I can somehow get the money to do it all again? "

Another one--- woman? Car? House? Puppy? Ipad?

That is certainly degrading a woman into being just an object, a commodity, a future personal slave. People who have this ownership attitude in their relationships should not even be having relationships. But, as I have said, we are just hapless spectators of such relationships that are dysfunctional right from the very start.

Edited February 2, 2013 by ivyanddan

[Karee 4,190]

I get the occasional question, "Do you think your wife married you for a visa?" My response is "no, I married her for a visa."

We had been living together over a year in Thailand and there was a coup. Some generals took over the country back in 2006. I had been living there on 30 day tourist visas for a couple years. One of the first thing the military govt. did was put a stop to that. They said you can get 3 more in a row (90 days) and you have to leave for 6 months. That wasn't going to work for me since my territory for work was Asia/Pacific and I lived in Bangkok. So we got married and I was given a 1 year multi entry Thai marriage visa that I could renew year after year. Not very romantic I guess, but we've been married 6.5 years now and she has her U.S. citizenship.

So I didn't actually just start a relationship with someone for the visa, but we did get married for that reason.

[SAT 9,609]

Alright. Thank you

To quote that other post,

" So now I'm alone and nearly broke after paying her 40% of my income in child support and alimony but I am 1/2 Filipino and want to keep my connection to the Philippines and I dont think all Filipinas are bad, I just got one that was and I want another one....not so young maybe. I'd like to find one already here but there are so few where I live. I'm wondering if I can get another one from the Philippines after I divorce. What will USCIS think about it? What are the rules and pros and cons? Can I even do it even if I can somehow get the money to do it all again? "

Another one--- woman? Car? House? Puppy? Ipad?

That is certainly degrading a woman into being just an object, a commodity, a future personal slave. People who have this ownership attitude in their relationships should not even be having relationships. But, as I have said, we are just hapless spectators of such relationships that are dysfunctional right from the very start.

I don't want another one...I just want a refund on the one I have...

[SAT 9,609]

Hello all,

As the BUYER, I'm allowing my COMMODITY to leave for Miami this weekend so that she can partially fulfill one of her desires which is to spend some time in the US mainland and experience a little bit of the "Gringo Lifestyle". Her Niece has just had her own little commodity (a baby), and her sister (another buyer) is willing to allow my commodity to help her in her cafeteria where she desperately needs help so that she can go to Santo Domingo to visit her family. My commodity is even going to get paid buy her (temporary buyer), so I will be off the hook for a small amount of time as her permanent buyer. As my commodities buyer, I'm wanting my commodity to have the opportunity to fulfill (at least partially) her dreams so that possibly she can be looked at as a "Real Human Being". Who knows?? Perhaps she may even stop looking at me as her buyer and start looking at me as her loving husband!!

PS does anyone else think that maybe more laws should be made for the SEX SLAVE TRADE and SEX TOURISTS rather than the commodity thing??? Does anyone else know how many American men and women as well as European men and women travel to these impoverished countries to simply to take advantage of these people??

PSS, My apologies for posting such a brash post, but I found this thread so offensive in the nature of some of the posts that I just couldn't help myself.

Reb, there are many laws that govern the sex slave trade and sex tourism. Ironically, these laws all relate to commerce. The Ninth Circuit Court ruled that the "foreign Commerce" clause in The Constitutional Law empowers congress to regulate sex tourism (And sex crimes committed by USC's abroad)...The Law of Interstate Commerce governs prostitution (and sexual trysts)across state lines. So see? even our courts treat foreign women as a commodity...

Even more ironic, didn't a US senator from NJ just get accused of patronizing a prostitute in The DR?

This thread started out as a fairly lighthearted conversation....we need some comic relief here...

I'm not talking anymore on this thread. Gonna find something funny to talk about...

Edited February 2, 2013 by SteveAndTiff

[JstaRebel 48]

Many people think flying down and finding a bride from an impoverished part of the world as "taking advantage" of them.. I've spent a fair amount of time in the DR so yeah well aware of sex tourists.. Again it is legal there and both sides are consenting adults.

This happens for both genders. Go to any club near a resort tin the DR and they are filled with sankies looking for traveling middle-aged female tourists and young women looking for middle-aged and older male tourists. Nobody seems to think the Sankies are being taken advantage of and hey no problem if Stella wants to get her groove back - but swap the genders and the world is coming to an end..

The sex slave trade is another subject - not a question of passing laws to stop it any more than passing a new law would curb rape.. Not sure it really belongs in this conversation.

I agree that the sex slave thing probably doesn't belong in this thread, and my grandest apologies for going off topic. However, your reply talking about the resorts in the DR and the clubs filled with sankies is the point I was wanting to make. I travel a lot to many different countries, and I have seen first hand many middle or over aged women in these swanky resorts that are there for one reason and one reason only. To find themselves a young man to enjoy company with while they are there, and many times for more than just sex. In my humble opinion, American and European women are just as guilty of treating their foriegn men and husbands as a commodity than men are.

I don't know why society (both men and women) feel the need to use another human being as a means to make themselves feel beter about themselves. Who knows.. Bad divorce or two or three, the S/O trades up for the BBD, there is no saying why. This in my opinion is treating foreiners as a commodity, and neither men or women can be singled out as being the ones that do this when both parties are just as guilty. Going one step further, the foreigners are the ones that many times end up with a visa that they would not have got any other way, so who is truly "the commodity". The foreigners or the visitors??

Edited February 3, 2013 by JstaRebel