Called by ICE just after I filed my I130 and I485 forms.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

uzzmet, I still find it hard to overcome my initial skepticism in light of what you describe to have transpired so far.

Notice: I am not saying what you describe didn't happen. After all I haven't been there and I can't speak categorically of things I am not fully aware of.

All I am saying is that I remain skeptical about it due to what appears in your account to be inconsistent with what would have likely happened under the circumstances you described.

I have read plenty of removal cases lost on appeal where the subjects were initially picked up by police for, among other things, nothing more than "looking suspicious" behind the wheel of a car (which led to traffic stop, subsequent run via criminal database, referral to legacy INS, years of litigation and finally order of removal confirmed by court of appeals).

But I find it odd that ICE investigations unit called you directly to pick a time of your liking to visit their office for a "5 minutes verification".

The FBI , if you were under investigation or someone else was investigated and you needed to be contacted, would do such a thing (In some cases they would approach you in person, in others you would get a call to meet and have a conversation).

But ICE doesn't work like that. ICE either sends an official document (with section of INA under which you are charged and time to appear for hearing, interview or deportation) or they just bust your door at 4am and drag you half asleep to the middle of nowhere on the other end of the US and keep you there until your hearing or physical removal. But you really have to do something criminal and outstanding, live in the household where fugitive is sought after or abscond your final removal order for such things to occur to you. And if above doesn't apply to you then they have no time to waste , to call and ask you for a conversation over a cup of coffee.

Assuming your school reported you and DHS wanted you to show cause, you should have received a letter from DHS informing you that you had x number of days before departing US or filing for an extension if eligible. Then you would get (if they elected to go after you) a notice to appear.

Only if you failed to respond to those would ICE get your name "blacklisted" , but a) you would get a notice of events and b) it generally takes more than few months before you can fail to appear, order removed and miss the deadline to appeal or review the decisions/rulings.

Anyway, I will not participate on this thread further , wish you good luck and assume yours' is one very rare case out of an ordinary pattern.

asdfg

Have you any knowledge of how any special response units of ICE conduct business?

I'd suggest we wait and see what happens with the OP tomorrow before we continue to doubt his story.

[asdfg 18]

Have you any knowledge of how any special response units of ICE conduct business?

Yes, I do and you may too.

All you have to do is go to findlaw.com, justia.com, EOIR website,read updates, latest case precedents and just open and randomly read rulings rendered by various Federal Circuit Courts, BIA and local Judges.

Appellate orders are the best to read: they include the full summary of the case (how it started, what transpired, what arguments made by both sides, the INA, case precedents and reasoning employed to arrive to the order).

While I don't know how ICE conducts internal procedures, still, reading numerous court orders I, as any member of the public who understands English and can read published rulings, can know what is or is unlikely to be a consistent pattern of contacting the subject for Immigration Enforcement purposes (which ICE is in business of).

I'd suggest we wait and see what happens with the OP tomorrow before we continue to doubt his story.

Absolutely.

Edited January 23, 2013 by asdfg

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

uzzmet, I still find it hard to overcome my initial skepticism in light of what you describe to have transpired so far.

Notice: I am not saying what you describe didn't happen. After all I haven't been there and I can't speak categorically of things I am not fully aware of.

All I am saying is that I remain skeptical about it due to what appears in your account to be inconsistent with what would have likely happened under the circumstances you described.

I have read plenty of removal cases lost on appeal where the subjects were initially picked up by police for, among other things, nothing more than "looking suspicious" behind the wheel of a car (which led to traffic stop, subsequent run via criminal database, referral to legacy INS, years of litigation and finally order of removal confirmed by court of appeals).

But I find it odd that ICE investigations unit called you directly to pick a time of your liking to visit their office for a "5 minutes verification".

The FBI , if you were under investigation or someone else was investigated and you needed to be contacted, would do such a thing (In some cases they would approach you in person, in others you would get a call to meet and have a conversation).

But ICE doesn't work like that. ICE either sends an official document (with section of INA under which you are charged and time to appear for hearing, interview or deportation) or they just bust your door at 4am and drag you half asleep to the middle of nowhere on the other end of the US and keep you there until your hearing or physical removal. But you really have to do something criminal and outstanding, live in the household where fugitive is sought after or abscond your final removal order for such things to occur to you. And if above doesn't apply to you then they have no time to waste , to call and ask you for a conversation over a cup of coffee.

Assuming your school reported you and DHS wanted you to show cause, you should have received a letter from DHS informing you that you had x number of days before departing US or filing for an extension if eligible. Then you would get (if they elected to go after you) a notice to appear.

Only if you failed to respond to those would ICE get your name "blacklisted" , but a) you would get a notice of events and b) it generally takes more than few months before you can fail to appear, order removed and miss the deadline to appeal or review the decisions/rulings.

Anyway, I will not participate on this thread further , wish you good luck and assume yours' is one very rare case out of an ordinary pattern.

asdfg

Comtact "VJ SuperSleuth" He/she will know. Better than websites, VJ SuperSleuth has a cartoon bloodhound WITH a magnifying glass and detective hat for an avatar. What could be better? A website? I think not!

I find this interesting but as for me, I shall wait to see the updated report tomorrow (thereby indicating my confdence the OP will not be deported and unable to report, a tip of my hand to be sure, but hey, not everyhting can be secret!)

Edited January 23, 2013 by Gary and Alla

[little_dreamer 11]

I am still very skeptical about your account of events.

ICE doesn't call people because someone falsely reported them for whatever petty reason.

Even if you were an illegal alien and you go tomorrow , walk inside ICE building, jump and scream to be arrested and deported, chances are strong they will call the police to remove you out of the building instead of bothering with you.

I find more inconsistencies with your description of events.

1. Police , as a matter of how they operate, refuses to even file a report unless there is an evidence of crime present, (ex. bodily injury, witnesses and etc). You yelling at someone is not an evidence of crime. Even if it was recorded , it would not be a crime to speak to someone with your voice raised, even if you told them to do to themselves very obvious things (unless you threatened to commit physical harm or violence). In instances you describe police would just talk to you and your neighbor and leave it at that.

I won't bet my limbs that this is a universal procedure for police conduct all over US (you may be unfortunate enough to have lived in Maricopa County under Sheriff Arpaio), but for the most part this is how police operates within the boundaries of existing state and federal laws.

2. ICE would not send 3 special agents because your neighbors reported you to be here illegally. As I noted above, even of you went to ICE and reported yourself to be here illegally they would at worst get annoyed with you and throw you out. Therefore I am assuming you mean police department sent 3 special agents? If so,

what for? Couldn't one officer sort it out?

3. Finally, if for whatever reason ICE was really interested in clearing things out they would most likely do one of three things: a) Knock on your door at 4am in the morning in SWAT gear and drag you to their removal prisons and keep there until bailout hearing (if you were eligible for one); b) send you a written notice to show cause or appear before judge for hearing (or before officer to be personally interviewed or physically removed on a specific date); c) they could wait until all your background checks were completed, interview scheduled and get you at their convenience when you appeared at USCIS to see your IO.

Again, I can't categorically say what did or didn't happen to you, I wasn't there, but it is unheard of to me and sounds highly unlikely that what you describe could happen the way you relay it.

Could it be that two ICE officers played cards and one lost to another in a bet that loser would prank someone like yourself and get a nice kick out of it?

Anyway, wish you good luck and let us know how it goes tomorrow.

Why keep doubting him?? I'm sure he didnt just come here to start a fake topic to see how people reply. His story is not normal but our government does some of teh craziest things....so im not doubting his story at all! GOOD LUCK OP!

[little_dreamer 11]

Have you any knowledge of how any special response units of ICE conduct business?

I'd suggest we wait and see what happens with the OP tomorrow before we continue to doubt his story.

agreed!!!!!

[uzzmet 0]

Hi guys, I'm home

I went to Newark very early today and had to wait until 11 AM. Finally he came downstairs and took me a room. There was nothing in the room but a table and a few chairs. He checked my documents and had a copy of them. I had to answer a few simple questions like how I afford to pay my rent and when I met my wife. It was only 5 minutes conversation and about 10 minutes waiting time for photocopies.

At the and he told me he will call USCIS to let them know he saw all original documents. And I'm home now.

I appreciate your comments and support. Thank you guys. I think I can eat something now, I haven't eaten anything but a muffin to survive yesterday since sunday night.

[hmh33 117]

Glad you made it out alive and free

[little_dreamer 11]

Im so glad you are ok!!!!!! Yes go eat eat eat!!!!!!

[coolmind1414 13]

Welcome back..

Happy for you..

[Xanax 349]

That's great! Did he tell you why you were there?

[SAT 9,609]

yea I'm curious as to why you were called to ICE...

And congratulations !

[asdfg 18]

Good question.

Doesn't USCIS review the very same docs during the interview? And why would ICE do it while USCIS has jurisdiction over the case?

Very odd.

[uzzmet 0]

Thank you guys.

He only said it's for verification. He checked my I797C and marriage certificate, took photocopies, and told me I'm fine. I think I was on their list as an overstayed student. He had an open case and he put my documents to this folder to close it.

I think they started calling people for double check. From now on more people will be invited everyday I guess.

[Mariana2012 89]

Thank you guys.

He only said it's for verification. He checked my I797C and marriage certificate, took photocopies, and told me I'm fine. I think I was on their list as an overstayed student. He had an open case and he put my documents to this folder to close it.

I think they started calling people for double check. From now on more people will be invited everyday I guess.

I am happy for you. Good luck with everything

[Xanax 349]

Thank you guys.

He only said it's for verification. He checked my I797C and marriage certificate, took photocopies, and told me I'm fine. I think I was on their list as an overstayed student. He had an open case and he put my documents to this folder to close it.

I think they started calling people for double check. From now on more people will be invited everyday I guess.

That's what I thought initially. Congratulations and good luck.