Voters in Colorado, Idaho, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia and Wisconsin ban same-sex marriage

[one...two...tree 2,762]

My cat is hot. I think other cats of either gender would find her attractive.

Can I borrow her for the night? ...for my gay cat.

[mikeize 0]

It just amazes me that this thread has gone on and on and no one seems to realize that missing from the debate are same sex couples. Wy? hmmm maybe because the law does not allow them equal protection in terms of sponsoring their partners?

I wonder how stronly this forum would be to openly uphold anti-marriage equality laws if some of the people on this board were gay.

I just read this whole thread and this is to me the most important post. It cuts through to reality. As in gay people are PEOPLE! Being such they happen to fall in love (whether you 'agree' with them or not), and being so desire to be with whom they feel to be their SOULMATES (what, you think they're making it up?)... and well, their own government (a democracy designed with care to protect minorities) which they support (like their neighbors) with their taxes and participation, withholds from them basic civilities such as VISA SPONSORSHIP!

Now just like the argument about two straight guys shamming for tax purposes, I know someone is gonna say fraud will increase. Well, you can bet that gay couples would be vetted at LEAST as vigorously as straight ones! And costs would NOT increase (any more than usual!), because INS is self-sufficient... ie, they fees they pay cover the costs of processing their cases.

Marriage or Union? First things first: give them their civil rights, whatever you are most comfortable calling it. However, for those who don't want to call it 'marriage'... ask yourself why. If gays are allowed to 'marry', will this somehow diminish your own 'marriage'? You are willing to give them the privileges but not the name? To me it seems trivial, but it is obviously a major issue for millions of people. Why?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

To me it seems trivial, but it is obviously a major issue for millions of people. Why?

Yep - seems a bit of a distraction to me. I wonder what people are a afraid of

[sophyie 0]

Here's a little "real- life" example of how it is in Germany:

There is no such thing as a gay marriage, but there's a kind of aquivalent:

Couples can get a so- called "registered life- partnership" which in some ways resembles the civil marriage.

This "life- partnership" gives them certain rights and responsabilities eg. possibility of having the same last name, alimony payments, the partner will inherit at least the legal portion, and especially in all aspects of social law the partnership is comparable to marriage.

However, there is one big field in life where married (heterosexual) couples have benefits gay couples with a registered partnership don't have: tax law.

I think it's been like this since 2001 and have not noticed bad things happening .

[vocalize 0]

What do people seriously think will happen if Gay Marriage is legalised?

Just curious...

Seriously, what is the answer?

They will take over and turn us all gay

[vocalize 0]

I'm pretty sure marriage has already been redefined throughout history.

Also, some other cultures have a different view of it entirely.

So because it's happening in your era, there's a problem with it?

NinjaEdit! MBP beat me do it!

You and MBP are both correct... as has been discussed here already, it used to be that interracial couples could not marry because it was immoral as well.... when it was finally approved to allow them to do so they had to request a special "marriage license" from the govt for permission to marry.

It's also been redefined recently to not include polygamous marriages which have been accepted in every culture prior to christianity (catholic/protestant types-- there are actually many christians who believe polygamy is allowed). even the jewish culture accepted polygamy before being forced to comply with new christian laws. in this country minority groups have been forced into submission to "the church" by making them change the laws of their own religions to exclude polyagamy in order to be accepted here. polygamy has always been accepted until marriage was recently "redefined" to exclude it it's not the governments job to define or govern marriage becaue each marriage is defined by the parties involved and we're supposed to have freedom of religion here... these laws "banning" certain types of marriage is nothing more than modern day witch hunts and we have a constitutional right to not be persecuted by any church.

[ace13 0]

In nature, are their any other animals besides humans that are gay?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

In nature, are their any other animals besides humans that are gay?

In nature, are their any other animals besides humans that get married, apply for mortgages and drive cars?

[tom&tata 2]

In nature, are their any other animals besides humans that are gay?

Found an old link:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20..._gayanimal.html

[mybackpages 0]

In nature, are their any other animals besides humans that are gay?

Actually there are. For example Swans are known to mate for life. There same sex swan couples who stay together for life.

Since animals do not have the ability to "choose: I would think this suggest sexual orientation is physiological/biological. For other those who believe homosexuality is a choice, I'm just curious when did you "choose" to be heterosexual?

[ace13 0]

In nature, are their any other animals besides humans that are gay?

Actually there are. For example Swans are known to mate for life. There same sex swan couples who stay together for life.

Since animals do not have the ability to "choose: I would think this suggest sexual orientation is physiological/biological. For other those who believe homosexuality is a choice, I'm just curious when did you "choose" to be heterosexual?

I agree-they are not effected by morality, sooo,

Scientifically, if you are born gay, is it some sort of mutation of a cell? because scientifically, for the species to continue, this would be bad and cause this mutation to naturally select itself out of the species leading to the extinction of the gay mutation.

We are talking science here--take all the feelings, morality and religion out of it.

And if you were a mother and knew it was a mutation or genetic error, is that something you would decide is like any other genetic disease and choose to terminate the preganacy?

[mybackpages 0]

In nature, are their any other animals besides humans that are gay?

Actually there are. For example Swans are known to mate for life. There same sex swan couples who stay together for life.

Since animals do not have the ability to "choose: I would think this suggest sexual orientation is physiological/biological. For other those who believe homosexuality is a choice, I'm just curious when did you "choose" to be heterosexual?

I agree-they are not effected by morality, sooo,

Scientifically, if you are born gay, is it some sort of mutation of a cell? because scientifically, for the species to continue, this would be bad and cause this mutation to naturally select itself out of the species leading to the extinction of the gay mutation.

We are talking science here--take all the feelings, morality and religion out of it.

And if you were a mother and knew it was a mutation or genetic error, is that something you would decide is like any other genetic disease and choose to terminate the preganacy?

For the swans, it is not uncommon for a female swan to mate with the male/male couple and then leave her eggs for the male/male couple to raise.

[Jenn! 918]

Scientifically, if you are born gay, is it some sort of mutation of a cell? because scientifically, for the species to continue, this would be bad and cause this mutation to naturally select itself out of the species leading to the extinction of the gay mutation.

So do you mean that because there are still homosexuals, that proves that homosexuality is not genetic since if it were it would have already been wiped out by natural selection?

[ace13 0]

In nature, are their any other animals besides humans that are gay?

Actually there are. For example Swans are known to mate for life. There same sex swan couples who stay together for life.

Since animals do not have the ability to "choose: I would think this suggest sexual orientation is physiological/biological. For other those who believe homosexuality is a choice, I'm just curious when did you "choose" to be heterosexual?

I agree-they are not effected by morality, sooo,

Scientifically, if you are born gay, is it some sort of mutation of a cell? because scientifically, for the species to continue, this would be bad and cause this mutation to naturally select itself out of the species leading to the extinction of the gay mutation.

We are talking science here--take all the feelings, morality and religion out of it.

And if you were a mother and knew it was a mutation or genetic error, is that something you would decide is like any other genetic disease and choose to terminate the preganacy?

For the swans, it is not uncommon for a female swan to mate with the male/male couple and then leave her eggs for the male/male couple to raise.

If the swans are mating, they are not gay. They may not like to have heterosexual friendships or hang out and choose to just mate, but that would not be the definition of gay. Gay would mean they do not mate with the opposite sex and they do not reproduce.

I am sure there are a lot of guys that just like to have sex with women, get them pregnant and then go hang out and live with their buddies. Does that make them Gay?

[mybackpages 0]

In nature, are their any other animals besides humans that are gay?

Actually there are. For example Swans are known to mate for life. There same sex swan couples who stay together for life.

Since animals do not have the ability to "choose: I would think this suggest sexual orientation is physiological/biological. For other those who believe homosexuality is a choice, I'm just curious when did you "choose" to be heterosexual?

I agree-they are not effected by morality, sooo,

Scientifically, if you are born gay, is it some sort of mutation of a cell? because scientifically, for the species to continue, this would be bad and cause this mutation to naturally select itself out of the species leading to the extinction of the gay mutation.

We are talking science here--take all the feelings, morality and religion out of it.

And if you were a mother and knew it was a mutation or genetic error, is that something you would decide is like any other genetic disease and choose to terminate the preganacy?

For the swans, it is not uncommon for a female swan to mate with the male/male couple and then leave her eggs for the male/male couple to raise.

If the swans are mating, they are not gay. They may not like to have heterosexual friendships or hang out and choose to just mate, but that would not be the definition of gay. Gay would mean they do not mate with the opposite sex and they do not reproduce.

Excuse me, but I can have sex with a woman- doesn't make me gay. I could have sex with a cucumber, doesn't make me a vegetable either. Sexual orienttion is not always a reflection of who you have sex with.

PS I a know I am going to regret this post because at some point Charles is going to show up