Voters in Colorado, Idaho, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia and Wisconsin ban same-sex marriage

[Cristy 4]

You have a book that says its wrong.... there are books out there that say its normal and ok to be homosexual.... if you want others to respect your book you should also respect others books.... each live to there own and nobody has the right to inflict there beliefs on any one else... you marry who you feel attracted to and allow other to marry who they are attracted too...

Then there is no problems all round

I don't have to agree with the other books, and you don't have to agree with mine. You do not agree, so should I say you do not respect my book?

It's just funny to me, that you want me to compromise my beliefs and accept everything, but you will not accept my beliefs. So you are just trying to change me.

but you are forcing your beliefs on those who don't agree with your book by saying no to same sex marriage. Why do others get to decide what 2 consenting adults can do? Do they lose all of their rights because your book says they are wrong?

They shouldn't lose human rights, no...and well gay marriage is hardly legal anywhere in the US so they don't have those rights yet anyway. If they want to form some sort of union, to be able to make a decision for health issues should something happen to their SO, that's fine. And even if gay marriage is allowed across the US eventually(which probably WILL happen), still doesn't mean I have to agree with the homosexual lifestyle. Just like you don't agree with my beliefs.

I can respect that.

[Kez/JWolf 6]

You have a book that says its wrong.... there are books out there that say its normal and ok to be homosexual.... if you want others to respect your book you should also respect others books.... each live to there own and nobody has the right to inflict there beliefs on any one else... you marry who you feel attracted to and allow other to marry who they are attracted too...

Then there is no problems all round

I don't have to agree with the other books, and you don't have to agree with mine. You do not agree, so should I say you do not respect my book?

It's just funny to me, that you want me to compromise my beliefs and accept everything, but you will not accept my beliefs. So you are just trying to change me.

I accept that you do not think it is ok to be homosexual and yes you are entitled to your beliefs... and as long as you are happy with your beliefs and you allow other to live their beliefs then there is no issue.. it is only when people who belive it is wrong try to force other to live by that belief that the problems occur....

you live your life and let others live theirs....

[Carol&Marc 0]

There are many many men who enjoy having fingers, #######'s etc inserted in there rear end... that does not make them gay.... just means they enjoy sex and all the wonderful feelings that you can get from many diffrent parts of our bodies...

right (sarcasm)

Try it, you might like it. Take one for the team.

not in my programming. maybe in yours

There are many many men who enjoy having fingers, #######'s etc inserted in there rear end... that does not make them gay.... just means they enjoy sex and all the wonderful feelings that you can get from many diffrent parts of our bodies...

right (sarcasm)

You should try it you might enjoy it..... it is one of the most sensual area's on a mans body...

and just how is it you know?

Pass the mus #######

[vocalize 0]

I can't find the original source for this but here it is anyway because it's a really good article.

My Husbands Wife Is Really Tickin Me Off

A few weeks ago, Warren Jeffs (leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) was arrested on charges of rape by accomplice and arranging a marriage that led to the rape of an underage girl. Jeffs had 40 wives and nearly 60 children.

The FLDS is one of the many Utah-based churches continuing to practice polygamy. The practice was supposedly dropped from the church in 1890 in condition of the state of Utah.

While I could tell you about the housing developments that these families are living in (which are rumored to be funded by the FLDS) in Utah and Colorado City, Arizona, you could easily go to the Associated Press (as I did). What's more important is putting things into perspective.

Members of the FLDS believes that "plural marriage secures their exaltation in heaven and that the number of wives a man marries corresponds to the level of glory he'll achieve," according to the AP. Some people would argue and say they simply want to have many marriages because they want to rapidly breed and create a "cult" so their beliefs live on. Partially, I suppose this is true.

What really makes me angry is that polygamy is illegal in America, and like any law, people who practice it should be arrested. Yet, for some reason, CNN can go into one of these developments, or a random place in Utah and speak with a man that has three wives, but the police cannot walk directly to their door and throw them in jail? What exactly is stopping the authorities?

Could it be that the law is absolutely preposterous? How can you toss a man in jail who is revered as a prophet (Jeffs) simply because his church believes that many marriages are a way to secure a safe spot in heaven? How can you, in good conscience, do that?

Seems to me that America is so dead-set based on their Christian values that they have made polygamy illegal because the Bible says marriage is a sacred union between (one) man and a (singular) woman. This also is the reason that gays cannot marry. We're always looking for the Christian church to approve these practices and face it--it isn't happenin' kiddo.

I mean God forbid (literally) that somebody marry more than one person. Our country (founded by Christians) has been abiding by these marriage laws for far too long. Are the laws we abide by the absolute moral bar to which everyone must measure up? Oh, yes… Didn't you hear about those Catholics? I know the one priest in my hometown must be great. I swear that Lexus he drives has nothing to with the vow of poverty he took, and the other one… Well, he never touched that little boy. Oh, and don't forget the commandment about the adultery. Thou shall not commit it. Well, we better not allow a union of more than one man and one woman. Then we'd have to make another commandment, or simply change the title of that cute little movie they play at Easter time. Aww.

The believers of the FLDS are very different than those of the Christian faith, but they are nontheless moral to their faith. They aren't doing it to be rebellious; this is their way of life. We're really quick to jump up and down in angst when we hear "two wives," but we seem to overlook everything immoral that our country has done in the past two-hundred years (and based on what standard??)

Since the argument clearly stands that there is no one moral standard to evaluate this from, I'd have to say that all races, creeds, sexes and multiple numbers should be allowed to marry and, if not, then marriage should just be illegal.

[aussiewench 9]

There are many many men who enjoy having fingers, #######'s etc inserted in there rear end... that does not make them gay.... just means they enjoy sex and all the wonderful feelings that you can get from many diffrent parts of our bodies...

right (sarcasm)

The G-spot for males can be found in the #######....that is a fact. I suggest you do try it charles you just might be surprised at how good it feels. I always recommend starting digitaly No need to be phobic, it does not have anything to do with gay tendencies. I love #######, and ####### in general is proportedly not the norm, by many peoples standards. Be brave, be adventurous

Tip: practice relaxing the muscles.....it helps

[Jenn! 918]

I think I'm too young to be in this thread.

[ceriserose 1]

I think I'm too young to be in this thread.

Even Punky Brewster grew up...

[mybackpages 0]

There are many many men who enjoy having fingers, #######'s etc inserted in there rear end... that does not make them gay.... just means they enjoy sex and all the wonderful feelings that you can get from many diffrent parts of our bodies...

right (sarcasm)

The G-spot for males can be found in the #######....that is a fact. I suggest you do try it charles you just might be surprised at how good it feels. I always recommend starting digitaly No need to be phobic, it does not have anything to do with gay tendencies. I love #######, and ####### in general is proportedly not the norm, by many peoples standards. Be brave, be adventurous

Tip: practice relaxing the muscles.....it helps

I love the things I can learn on VJ

Aussiewench- seriously you are AWESOME!

[almaty 19]

wow, what a fine thread..this has turned into ....getting mud for one's turtle...i am impressed

[Cristy 4]

There are many many men who enjoy having fingers, #######'s etc inserted in there rear end... that does not make them gay.... just means they enjoy sex and all the wonderful feelings that you can get from many diffrent parts of our bodies...

right (sarcasm)

The G-spot for males can be found in the #######....that is a fact. I suggest you do try it charles you just might be surprised at how good it feels. I always recommend starting digitaly No need to be phobic, it does not have anything to do with gay tendencies. I love #######, and ####### in general is proportedly not the norm, by many peoples standards. Be brave, be adventurous

Tip: practice relaxing the muscles.....it helps

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

I wonder if Charles will "take one for the team".

Maybe we can get Gupt to setup a poll.

Daniel

:energetic:

[Fandango 1,439]

I will not apologize. It is child abuse to me as much as being gay is the same as murder to some who posted. Assassinating somebody's character because they chose to love someone of the same sex is reprehensible IMO.

So according to you, these regular posters here:

charlesandnessa

stina&suj

mdyoung

Carol&Marc

garya505

VipulandJamie

..and possibly me...cos I'm on the fence..

...along with the majority of voters in CO ID SC SD TN VA WI, should they have children & instill their beliefs in them, are child abusers? Is that really what you're saying here or have you just spoken out of anger?

BTW, to the above-mentioned posters, I have included your names because I have read this whole thread and inferred from your posts that you disagree with gay 'marriage' in one way or another. If I have gotten this wrong, then I apologise!

You are making some mighty big assumptions. I was refering to one maybe two people. Get over yourself.

You owe me an apology. Apologize to me.

I have assumed nothing. You'll note I asked you a question for you to confirm or deny. You made this sweeping statement pages ago & I have since been posting to you trying to open up a dialogue as to what you mean. Look at your responses on the subject....you even bring in the KKK for crying out loud! As I stated before, I'm quite certain that the KKK children in question were taken away for other reasons, as you are allowed to hate anyone you want. You're allowed to protest and whatnot, so I fail to see what the relevance is.

I have asked you many times to clarify your statement. I have also given you a clear indication of how I took your statement....teaching children their morals, and you calling them child abusers. Now here you go...how many pages later....telling me you were only referring to 'one or two' people. Hokay.

No one here has expressed a hatred of homosexuals. There are many who don't agree with it, and that's fine too. For you to bring up child abuse is just plain wrong, but I feel you are in beligerant mode, therefore you won't accept your own words as wrong. That's fine too....but funny how you're throwing around the 'ignorant' label yet displaying ignorance in its purest form.

You are angry at ppl leaping to conclusions, yet you're calling ppl homophobes passive-aggresively calling people secret homosexuals.

You say that it's wrong to compare homosexuality to murder...yet you use that as an excuse to link beliefs to child abuse. So one comparison is so wrong that it's practically child abuse, yet it's your shield for casting aspersions on ppl's character.

I will not apologize. It is child abuse to me as much as being gay is the same as murder to some who posted. Assassinating somebody's character because they chose to love someone of the same sex is reprehensible IMO.

'do as I say not as I do' eh?

[Cristy 4]

I will not apologize. It is child abuse to me as much as being gay is the same as murder to some who posted. Assassinating somebody's character because they chose to love someone of the same sex is reprehensible IMO.

So according to you, these regular posters here:

charlesandnessa

stina&suj

mdyoung

Carol&Marc

garya505

VipulandJamie

..and possibly me...cos I'm on the fence..

...along with the majority of voters in CO ID SC SD TN VA WI, should they have children & instill their beliefs in them, are child abusers? Is that really what you're saying here or have you just spoken out of anger?

BTW, to the above-mentioned posters, I have included your names because I have read this whole thread and inferred from your posts that you disagree with gay 'marriage' in one way or another. If I have gotten this wrong, then I apologise!

You are making some mighty big assumptions. I was refering to one maybe two people. Get over yourself.

You owe me an apology. Apologize to me.

I have assumed nothing. You'll note I asked you a question for you to confirm or deny. You made this sweeping statement pages ago & I have since been posting to you trying to open up a dialogue as to what you mean. Look at your responses on the subject....you even bring in the KKK for crying out loud! As I stated before, I'm quite certain that the KKK children in question were taken away for other reasons, as you are allowed to hate anyone you want. You're allowed to protest and whatnot, so I fail to see what the relevance is.

I have asked you many times to clarify your statement. I have also given you a clear indication of how I took your statement....teaching children their morals, and you calling them child abusers. Now here you go...how many pages later....telling me you were only referring to 'one or two' people. Hokay.

No one here has expressed a hatred of homosexuals. There are many who don't agree with it, and that's fine too. For you to bring up child abuse is just plain wrong, but I feel you are in beligerant mode, therefore you won't accept your own words as wrong. That's fine too....but funny how you're throwing around the 'ignorant' label yet displaying ignorance in its purest form.

You are angry at ppl leaping to conclusions, yet you're calling ppl homophobes passive-aggresively calling people secret homosexuals.

You say that it's wrong to compare homosexuality to murder...yet you use that as an excuse to link beliefs to child abuse. So one comparison is so wrong that it's practically child abuse, yet it's your shield for casting aspersions on ppl's character.

I will not apologize. It is child abuse to me as much as being gay is the same as murder to some who posted. Assassinating somebody's character because they chose to love someone of the same sex is reprehensible IMO.

'do as I say not as I do' eh?

I just skimmed over that but did not see sorry so I won't read it.

[ceriserose 1]

Ah VJ.

[Jenn! 918]

I think I'm too young to be in this thread.

Even Punky Brewster grew up...

You're sounding kinda crazy there! Umm, can't you see my picture there? I'm like Peter Pan!