Opinion: al-Qaida and their allies, the democrats take the house!

[peezey 0]

Plus, the church-state separation is rather easy to keep (and nearly impossible to break), given that you'd be highly unlikely to get a consensus on what would constitute "christian law" acceptable even to the vast majority (let alone all) of the many denominations. Simply put, a "Christian Theocracy" simply ain't happenin'.

Are you seriously saying that realigion is not inherently entwined in everything that goes on in this country? I guess that's why Common Law is based on Judeo-Christian values, then? So as not to mix religion and governance?

CAIR and Ellison want nothing to do with imposing shari'a law in the U.S. Your hate mongering and fear tactics are wasted here.

Edited November 8, 2006 by peezey

[Marc and Olga 0]

About damn time we stood up to these fanatics!!!

One thing we won't have to deal with: endless whining about "stolen" elections

prolly correct on that count.

now lets hope this "the terrist have won" bs doesn't last much longer.

Daniel

:energetic:

Oh yes, but god forbid if we stand up to their personal attacks with some of our own!

I seem to recall the Republican take-over over Congress after decades of Democrat control being referred to as a "temper tantrum". And we still hear whining about how Bush supposedly stole the 2000 election.... Democrats are hardly the new kids on the block when it comes to personal attacks.

Bush did steal the election in 2000.. Simple, the Republicans just can't accpet the fact that the current pres. is a liar,cheater,theif. they discounted or refused to count many dade county votes..hmmm why. .maybe it was because they were black...more popuation and then they come up with all kinds of #######.. then they have to have Poppa bush court appointees declare GWBush the winner..

They also messed up 2004 and stole that one also.. Dieabol promised BUSH and the Republicans they will win.. they changed things on the voting machines..

In AZ the only time those electronic voting machines are used is for the impaired, I don't recall seeing 1 at my polling place.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Bush did steal the election in 2000.. Simple, the Republicans just can't accpet the fact that the current pres. is a liar,cheater,theif. they discounted or refused to count many dade county votes..hmmm why. .maybe it was because they were black...more popuation and then they come up with all kinds of #######.. then they have to have Poppa bush court appointees declare GWBush the winner..

They also messed up 2004 and stole that one also.. Dieabol promised BUSH and the Republicans they will win.. they changed things on the voting machines..

false on both counts.

• Gore has been shown to be a sore loser who reinvents himself in grandiose terms (being the model for Oliver in "love story", and "inventing the internet"); he lost fairly (even lost his home state of TN--that's usually a clue) as many FL African American voters actually preferred Buchanan ("known enemy") over Gore ("pretend-friend").
  
• ketchup Kerry lost the 2004 election on his own by approving usage of the false (CO's in military aren't normally going to go to the print shop to "spiff up" a memo) memo about Bush Jr.'s NG service
  

And the DEMS are the ones who have experience at stealing elections, which they did in 1960 (retained due to Tricky-####### being gracious enough not to take it in court), and even worse at rigging elections in allied nations (BillyBubba's sending Carrville to help Barak against Netanyahu is all the evidence I need here).

[Scott & Lai 12]

As for a Christian Theocracy (a country where the government and the Church are one and the same, or where the Bible is the law of the land), there is no such place today, nor has there been in centuries. This cannot be said of Islamic Theocracies. Are there Christian groups who would like the 10 Commandments to be the law of the land? Perhaps. I, however, do not support that. I want Church and State kept distinct and separate.

At the same time the government should represent it's people. You can't simply abandon religion and pretend it does not exist.. The government of Australia regularly provides grants and funding to community projects for all sorts of religious groups in the country, with great success.

The same people trying to drive GWB out are the same people pushing to eliminate religion in the US..

Oh, I agree with you, that's the other side of the coin....I don't support government being anti-religion, either.

[doodlebug 3]

So, CAIR is, in fact, 100% against there ever being an Islamic theocracy in the US, 100% against Sha'ria ever being the law of the land?

Are the Christian Republican groups 100% against there ever being a Christian theocracy in the US, 100% against the ten commandments ever being the law of the land?

Let me add, I cannot and will not support any group that wants to back up religious laws (including those of my own religion) with the force of government power. Will you stand with me in this?

Well it depends. I mean as someone mentioned earlier the laws in this country are intwined with religious beliefs. Thou shall not steal, thou shall not kill, etc. Even keeping the Sabbath holy in some states where no stores were allowed to conduct business on Sundays. To say that we have total separation of church and state right now is just plain silly. Is Christmas a Federal holiday? I know my kids don't have school on Christmas and they have "Easter vacation", even though its' a public school. To be fair, they also get Rosh Hashana and Yom Kuppur off but G-d forbid we muslims ask to have at least the Eid of Ramadan off, eh?

When someone is in court do they not swear on the "Holy Bible"? Doesn't our money say "In God We Trust"? Aren't we "One Nation Under God"?

Is this all separation of church and state? I think not.

The US was originally formed as a nation where Christians could worship peacefully without belonging to the (state) Church of England. While some muslims did come unwillingly (ie as slaves from Africa, and not a majority of them), there was never any significant population of them in US till 20th century. Nominally, there is still a Christian majority of 65%+ in US.

In countries with far less than overwhelming majority, you have had imposition of Sharia or "Islamic Theocracy"--so why do you protest at even the remote possibility of "Christian Theocracy" imposed on a (nominally) majority-Christian nation?

Till then, your question is meritless.

Where in the US Constitution does it say that our Nation is formed specifically for Christians?

[almaty 19]

So, CAIR is, in fact, 100% against there ever being an Islamic theocracy in the US, 100% against Sha'ria ever being the law of the land?

Are the Christian Republican groups 100% against there ever being a Christian theocracy in the US, 100% against the ten commandments ever being the law of the land?

Let me add, I cannot and will not support any group that wants to back up religious laws (including those of my own religion) with the force of government power. Will you stand with me in this?

Well it depends. I mean as someone mentioned earlier the laws in this country are intwined with religious beliefs. Thou shall not steal, thou shall not kill, etc. Even keeping the Sabbath holy in some states where no stores were allowed to conduct business on Sundays. To say that we have total separation of church and state right now is just plain silly. Is Christmas a Federal holiday? I know my kids don't have school on Christmas and they have "Easter vacation", even though its' a public school. To be fair, they also get Rosh Hashana and Yom Kuppur off but G-d forbid we muslims ask to have at least the Eid of Ramadan off, eh?

When someone is in court do they not swear on the "Holy Bible"? Doesn't our money say "In God We Trust"? Aren't we "One Nation Under God"?

Is this all separation of church and state? I think not.

The US was originally formed as a nation where Christians could worship peacefully without belonging to the (state) Church of England. While some muslims did come unwillingly (ie as slaves from Africa, and not a majority of them), there was never any significant population of them in US till 20th century. Nominally, there is still a Christian majority of 65%+ in US.

In countries with far less than overwhelming majority, you have had imposition of Sharia or "Islamic Theocracy"--so why do you protest at even the remote possibility of "Christian Theocracy" imposed on a (nominally) majority-Christian nation?

Till then, your question is meritless.

Where in the US Constitution does it say that our Nation is formed specifically for Christians?

hmm.,. let me have a peek ..nope, freedom of religion or from religion

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

So, CAIR is, in fact, 100% against there ever being an Islamic theocracy in the US, 100% against Sha'ria ever being the law of the land?

Are the Christian Republican groups 100% against there ever being a Christian theocracy in the US, 100% against the ten commandments ever being the law of the land?

Let me add, I cannot and will not support any group that wants to back up religious laws (including those of my own religion) with the force of government power. Will you stand with me in this?

Well it depends. I mean as someone mentioned earlier the laws in this country are intwined with religious beliefs. Thou shall not steal, thou shall not kill, etc. Even keeping the Sabbath holy in some states where no stores were allowed to conduct business on Sundays. To say that we have total separation of church and state right now is just plain silly. Is Christmas a Federal holiday? I know my kids don't have school on Christmas and they have "Easter vacation", even though its' a public school. To be fair, they also get Rosh Hashana and Yom Kuppur off but G-d forbid we muslims ask to have at least the Eid of Ramadan off, eh?

When someone is in court do they not swear on the "Holy Bible"? Doesn't our money say "In God We Trust"? Aren't we "One Nation Under God"?

Is this all separation of church and state? I think not.

The US was originally formed as a nation where Christians could worship peacefully without belonging to the (state) Church of England. While some muslims did come unwillingly (ie as slaves from Africa, and not a majority of them), there was never any significant population of them in US till 20th century. Nominally, there is still a Christian majority of 65%+ in US.

In countries with far less than overwhelming majority, you have had imposition of Sharia or "Islamic Theocracy"--so why do you protest at even the remote possibility of "Christian Theocracy" imposed on a (nominally) majority-Christian nation?

Till then, your question is meritless.

Where in the US Constitution does it say that our Nation is formed specifically for Christians?

hmm.,. let me have a peek ..nope, freedom of religion or from religion

that is correct.

Daniel

:energetic:

[doodlebug 3]

Actually, one principle in our constitution(country) is the seperation of church and state. So the question is valid for those that care to keep this principle intact.

Daniel

:energetic:

which is not the case (your words in red) with doodlebug, as demonstrated by the obfuscation about the desire of CAIR to impose Sharia--which prompted my answer in the first place.

Do NOT put words in my mouth. I was simply making a point. I think I've already adressed the fact that I think the quote of imposing Sharia is bogus.

You will never get a straight-off answer from doodlebug, scott--especially given his/her obfuscations so far.

This is a perfect example why I'll never take your opinions seriously. You totally jump to conclusions based on no information. You don't even know me from Adam and you're saying to someone else that I will never (strong word) give a straight answer? Who are you to speak for my actions? I've never even talked to you before this particular thread.

[Jenn! 918]

You will never get a straight-off answer from doodlebug, scott--especially given his/her obfuscations so far.

This is a perfect example why I'll never take your opinions seriously. You totally jump to conclusions based on no information. You don't even know me from Adam and you're saying to someone else that I will never (strong word) give a straight answer? Who are you to speak for my actions? I've never even talked to you before this particular thread.

Not to mention the language! Can we keep it clean here people. please?

[Scott & Lai 12]

So, CAIR is, in fact, 100% against there ever being an Islamic theocracy in the US, 100% against Sha'ria ever being the law of the land?

Are the Christian Republican groups 100% against there ever being a Christian theocracy in the US, 100% against the ten commandments ever being the law of the land?

Let me add, I cannot and will not support any group that wants to back up religious laws (including those of my own religion) with the force of government power. Will you stand with me in this?

Well it depends. I mean as someone mentioned earlier the laws in this country are intwined with religious beliefs. Thou shall not steal, thou shall not kill, etc. Even keeping the Sabbath holy in some states where no stores were allowed to conduct business on Sundays. To say that we have total separation of church and state right now is just plain silly. Is Christmas a Federal holiday? I know my kids don't have school on Christmas and they have "Easter vacation", even though its' a public school. To be fair, they also get Rosh Hashana and Yom Kuppur off but G-d forbid we muslims ask to have at least the Eid of Ramadan off, eh?

When someone is in court do they not swear on the "Holy Bible"? Doesn't our money say "In God We Trust"? Aren't we "One Nation Under God"?

Is this all separation of church and state? I think not.

"Thou shall not steal" and "Thou shall not kill (better translated "murder")" are not specifically Christian (most religions have some form of them), nor are they strictly religious. They are basic to the survival of any society. I don't support so-called "blue laws," such as mandating that businesses close on Sunday, which force everyone to follow the rules of a particular religion, even if they don't believe in that religion.

As for Christmas being a federal holiday and schools having Easter vacation (usually called "Spring-break" now, and Christmas is "Winter recess"), that's simply a matter of respecting the fact that many people are Christians and honor those times. There is nothing wrong with the Government respecting religion. Btw, I would have no problem whatsoever with Eid being treated the same way.

"In God We Trust," and "One Nation Under God" do not require the Government and the Christian Church to be intertwined, they come more under the category of civil religion. As for swearing on the Holy Bible for civil matters.... ok, that bothers me, too

[Saddle Bronc 124]

"Thou shall not steal" and "Thou shall not kill (better translated "murder")" are not specifically Christian (most religions have some form of them), nor are they strictly religious. They are basic to the survival of any society. I don't support so-called "blue laws," such as mandating that businesses close on Sunday, which force everyone to follow the rules of a particular religion, even if they don't believe in that religion.

As for Christmas being a federal holiday and schools having Easter vacation (usually called "Spring-break" now, and Christmas is "Winter recess"), that's simply a matter of respecting the fact that many people are Christians and honor those times. There is nothing wrong with the Government respecting religion. Btw, I would have no problem whatsoever with Eid being treated the same way.

"In God We Trust," and "One Nation Under God" do not require the Government and the Christian Church to be intertwined, they come more under the category of civil religion.

Except to an atheist, the above are generally secular. In India which has the most holidays, Christmas is celebrated--along with Id and Diwali

As for swearing on the Holy Bible for civil matters.... ok, that bothers me, too

Probably because at the time of making the original laws, there were few irreligious people--but it was the one thing the majority COULD agree on. Which is also the idea behind sunday closings. However, Jewish stores were known to get exemption to open on Sunday instead of Saturday--so obviously, similar certificate would suffice for Muslim business to close on friday (admittedly, the competition in some lines of businesses where Muslims have heavy representation--such as gas-stations--can make this prospect difficult today).

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't see Kaydee as whining but I still see some dems. doing a fine job of name calling. This is typical they still have lots of anger. I thought we were gonna get a change of direction? Is this the direction they were talking about?

It's Mr. Anti-America speaking from his pedestal.

you just proved his point, steven. good job

The guy who has called people names here in OT (look up anti-American) has a short term memory with a bad case of tunnel vision. Hence, he has earned the title, Mr. Anti-America.

Calling someone anti american is not name calling, its an observation. (Search pro america) your name certainly wont be poppin up! I see the nerve I struck still is hemoraging. Oh and the Clint Eastwood pic is a little macho for you so I thought I would help you out with one that was more fitting.

Observation?

For me, American is not some thing that only lives in symbols, such as the flag, the pledge, the larger-than-life images of the founders (all of which are meaningless because they obscure the beauty with a bunch of empty phrases). No, America is the here and now, the blood spillled by those excluded from the political process, and the past which is rich and more than just a list of military victories.

You have some mighty tough standards Marc - the main one seems to be that if you don't embrace militarism, you are a traitor. Guess we all better buff up our jackboots

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Muslims throughout the world are already taking credit for this election. It's a sad day for america

The democrats, in concert with a leftist media campaign, hands victory to the enemy....

One can only hope that the Senate is not lost to the liberal democrats......

Kaydee - I warned you about jinxing things, and look what happens

Still equating the Democratic process with a 'victory for terrorists' seems a little off to me. Dare say it... Anti-American...?

Bush et al pissed away the public trust in the Republican party - you can't expect to be stand and be re-elected simply merely on the justification that the 'evil other' wants the other side to win. What kind of demonisation is that?

The fact remains that very many people weren't happy with the way things are going.

As I see it, change is good - regardless of who is in charge.

[bhajishah 4]

I wanna thank all the brothers and sisters who got out and voted

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I wanna thank all the brothers and sisters who got out and voted

Indeed there was a big turn-out. People obviously had something to say "that they wanted Al-Qaeda to win".

Those goddamned anti-american Americans

Edited November 9, 2006 by erekose