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[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Fewer felons on the street = safer streets. True or false?

That is your conjecture. How else, in your mind, does having more people with guns equate less felons "on the street". My opinion is that every one of you gun nuts is a potential felon in the making, so if we take away your guns, there should be less felons.

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[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It would be a quantitative analysis, and no big loss if the experiment fails. Either way, society benefits by way of the experiment. Either you have faith in your assumptions, or you don't. Obviously, you don't, so next time we hear how guns make society safer, we can refer to your post here. Added to my bookmarks.

BTW: It is you're, short for you are, and let's, short for let us. If you avoid contractions altogether, you can avoid similar mistakes in the future.

I have no issue with the experiment per se. A gun ban in prison has not reduced crime, so why not try?

The concept is flawed. The reason that the ability of MORE people to carry concealed firearms reduces crime is because there are MORE good people than bad people in society. In a prison there are NOT more good people than bad people in society.

When a society is made up of 95+% good people and ALL people can carry guns concealed, so that the good people can defend themselves from bad people...crime is low. Bad people may not be very well educated but they understand risk/reward as demostrated where this is the case. The place is called Vermont.

When a society has ALL bad people, crime is high. Despite a total gun BAN, bad people will always find ways to do bad things. The place is called Prison.

When one refuses to acknowledge, or is incapable of understanding, that when good people are allowed to have guns to defend themselves, crime is low. It is NOT a matter of "more guns, less crime", I have no idea how many people carry guns in Vermont. Probably a lower percentage than in Florida, Texas or even Kentucky. BUT everyone in Vermont CAN carry a gun. Even visitors! And NO ONE knows how many do. THAT is the deterrent. THAT is why crime is low. NOT because there are guns everywhere, NOT because we shoot everyone (there is hardly ever any need to shoot anyone here and very few crimes) NOT because we are afraid...I never feel afraid. But simply because it is STUPID to make any sort of physical threat to people in a place where ANYone can be carrying a gun. Just go across the lake to New York where they have a MUCH higher crime rate, but few people can legally carry guns. (they also have a population very similar to Vermont in demographics)

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

That is your conjecture. How else, in your mind, does having more people with guns equate less felons "on the street". My opinion is that every one of you gun nuts is a potential felon in the making, so if we take away your guns, there should be less felons.

More Law abiding citizens with guns= fewer victims.. That's all

I have no issue with the experiment per se. A gun ban in prison has not reduced crime, so why not try?

The concept is flawed. The reason that the ability of MORE people to carry concealed firearms reduces crime is because there are MORE good people than bad people in society. In a prison there are NOT more good people than bad people in society.

When a society is made up of 95+% good people and ALL people can carry guns concealed, so that the good people can defend themselves from bad people...crime is low. Bad people may not be very well educated but they understand risk/reward as demostrated where this is the case. The place is called Vermont.

When a society has ALL bad people, crime is high. Despite a total gun BAN, bad people will always find ways to do bad things. The place is called Prison.

When one refuses to acknowledge, or is incapable of understanding, that when good people are allowed to have guns to defend themselves, crime is low. It is NOT a matter of "more guns, less crime", I have no idea how many people carry guns in Vermont. Probably a lower percentage than in Florida, Texas or even Kentucky. BUT everyone in Vermont CAN carry a gun. Even visitors! And NO ONE knows how many do. THAT is the deterrent. THAT is why crime is low. NOT because there are guns everywhere, NOT because we shoot everyone (there is hardly ever any need to shoot anyone here and very few crimes) NOT because we are afraid...I never feel afraid. But simply because it is STUPID to make any sort of physical threat to people in a place where ANYone can be carrying a gun. Just go across the lake to New York where they have a MUCH higher crime rate, but few people can legally carry guns. (they also have a population very similar to Vermont in demographics)

Great point.. Prisons have some of the highest security in the world, yet every day when you have criminals they find a way

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Yes no big loss I agree and fail it would.

As for proper use of contractions... google frankly my dear

It would not "fail" The gun ban in prison has failed to eliminate crime. It simply woul dnot be a valid comparison when the society is made up of 100% convicted felons rather than a society made up of less than 5% convicted felons.

Silly idea, but not surprising. Makes as much sense as including thermonuclear weapons and battleships in the gun control argument, but they do that too.

Let him go on with it. It is ridiculous so I would not discourage my opponent from promoting the argument too much. When someone you are debating starts acting stupid...let them.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

. Carry on Hershel. (quote edited to remove personal attack - VJ Moderation Team)

Don't know Eric, but I am sad to hear someone else had the handle of a great American.. WOOOO HOOOO......

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[scotinmass 588]

So your answer is false. Fewer felons on the street do not result in safer streets. I love liberal logic.

I would think that your misguided and doomed vision of taking the property of others does and definitely makes you a felon in the making champ.

Why don't you just put this as a signature and save typing it on every post?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

so you don't support an assault weapons ban.. Bravo good.

I did not say that. I said that I don't think it's high on the priority list. Doesn't mean I wouldn't support it.

Oh just for reading for fun on the ban that never was , like the lake that was never made.

I don't really care what is said on wiki on the so-called assault weapons ban. The fact remains that assault weapons were not actually banned. And because that is a fact, it is also a fact that we cannot say with certainty whether an actual ban on assault weapons would have an impact on gun violence. Maybe it would, maybe it would not. No way to really one way or the other until you give it a try. I'd be supporting that experiment.

I think the issue at hand is the impossibility of finding a valid point in your debate chubby.

Seems that most people manage just fine. Most people were also afforded better than a Texas education, of course.

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[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I understand "simple" better than you could ever imagine.... i.e I get you...

That's what you think. Problem is that you don't even realize that you clearly do not.

welcome to feel-good democratic party lawmaking. feels good, doesn't it?

They all do it. It's not a partisan thing, it's an American thing.

[scotinmass 588]

Why don't you go back to figuring out how to explain why Mass has the highest violent crime rate in the northeast? edited to remove baiting comment - VJ Moderation Team.

I actually posted twice about that but why do you think I should have to explain it. It's got nothing to do with me. I've never committed a violent crime and I've never witnessed one. . I'm sure some of the other 41 states outwith the north east have higher violent crime rates than us. - edited to remove profanity - VJ Moderation Team

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[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It would be a quantitative analysis, and no big loss if the experiment fails. Either way, society benefits by way of the experiment. Either you have faith in your assumptions, or you don't. Obviously, you don't, so next time we hear how guns make society safer, we can refer to your post here. Added to my bookmarks.

BTW: It is you're, short for you are, and let's, short for let us. If you avoid contractions altogether, you can avoid similar mistakes in the future.

You're neglecting to tell us why Vermont is safe then. Guns make it safe. Your prison (where all guns are outlawed and the ban is agressively enforced) comparison is too flawed to be considered by people with functional brains. That is why it has never been presented even by anti-gun people. You certainly do not want to point to a gun free society with HIGH crime as an example of how gun laws reduce crime. Well, YOU do, but intelligent people on both sides of this issue do not.

However, I can point to a low crime society with virtually non existant gun laws as an example of why a lack of gun laws reduces crime. I choose that position and let you have yours. I will not argue your position.

Societies with NO GUNS and agressively enforced gun bans have HIGH crime. You win.

Tell us why Vermont has low crime if it is not because of guns.

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[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I did not say that. I said that I don't think it's high on the priority list. Doesn't mean I wouldn't support it.

So you do support an assault weapons ban ??

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

And nobody thinks that's INSANE?

I think it is proof that law abiding gun owners are not a danger. If they were we would all be dead in about 3 minutes. The sheer number of firearms in the hands of Americans vs. the crime rate is proof that guns do not cause crime in itself.

By the way, the background check is valid for 5 days and can be used to purchase ANY NUMBER of firearms from the same dealer within that 5 day period. 1 million approved background checks equals more than 1 million guns sold, not sure how many more.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Here is what is going to happen.

1. Gun sales go through the roof, 40% increase so far compared to last year, it's early

2. NRA membership will increase 30% to 6.5 million before the end of the year

3. NO new Federal Gun laws will be passed.

You forgot #4. Idiot conspiracy theorist/gun nut/whack job kills innocent bystanders convinced that the Gub'mt under the Orders of the tyrant/Kenyan/Faciast/Socialist/insert assorted various other unwarranted titles here Obama is coming to take his guns.

Oh wait that's already happened.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

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don't let him upset you. ..

I have found often when people can't understand or explain why they feel a certain way, they insult and scream. .. He is, is not, is, is not, is, is not in favor of an assault weapons ban.

I just can't get this out of my head.

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[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You're neglecting to tell us why Vermont is safe then. Guns make it safe.

You denied that not too long ago. So you seem to have changed your mind on that. Say, if guns make a state safe, then why are the two states where gun laws are even more relaxed than in VT (AK and AZ) so crime ridden? Shouldn't they be safer than VT seeing that they have less gun restrictions than VT?