Opposition Believes Netanyahu's Policies Will Lead to the End of the Jewish State

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Analysis: Israel left wing sees Jewish state's end

TEL AVIV, Israel — An apocalyptic tone has crept into Israel's hitherto muted election season, with opposition leaders and others sounding increasingly desperate warnings that a few more years of rule by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's heavily favored right wing might well destroy the Jewish state.

The idea is that by holding onto the lands Palestinians want for their state — and continuing to settle them with Jews — the Israeli right is marching blindly toward a future in which Arabs could outnumber Jews in the country and ultimately take over.

Perhaps the most strident proponent of this message is former Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, who four years ago led peace talks with the Palestinians and recently founded a new party whose primary message is that the Zionist project is in danger. "Netanyahu is leading us toward the end of the Jewish state," she said in a statement Friday. "Israelis must choose between extremism and Zionism. Israel is in great danger and everyone must wake up now."

Outgoing opposition leader Shaul Mofaz, a former military chief and defense minister, warns at campaign appearances that Arabs will soon outnumber Jews in the Holy Land and the main strategic priority must be to partition the land to prevent the emergence of a "binational state." Leaders of the main center-left Labor Party say much the same.

Netanyahu's majority depends on his Likud party in coalition with other nationalist and religious groups known as the "right." Despite all its bewildering complications, the political spectrum ultimately resembles something of a two-party system.

The prime minister and his supporters have argued that Israel must not act in haste and many on the right stridently oppose any territorial concessions on the lands Israel captured in 1967 — the West Bank, east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip, where the Palestinians want to set up their state.

The author Amos Oz, who has long been viewed as an oracle of sorts in Israel, called the governing coalition "the most anti-Zionist in the history of Israel" for ignoring the demographic issue.

"If there will not be two states here, neither will it (even) be a binational state — it will be an Arab state," he was quoted by Haaretz as saying on Friday. "They believe Jews can rule an Arab majority (but) no apartheid nation in the world survived without collapsing in a few years."

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[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

They're all on the same team, really, when it comes down to giving up control of the West Bank or any of the major settlements.

Yes, Bibi's opponents think he is too arrogant and has terrible timing; that he's either clueless to international diplomacy or just doesn't give a #######. This makes things more difficult for Israel on the international stage - unpleasant things happen like the UN vote where the whole world said essentially "the Green Line is the border of Palestine," and the growing BDS movement.

But most of the opposition would carry out similar policies of expanding the illegals settlements and moving more Jews into occupied territory - it has been the Israeli government's continuing and ever-growing enterprise since 1967. The rate at which they build sometimes goes through little hiccups - it might slow down due to budget and/or international attention. And it speeds up when Israel thinks no one is watching, or fears time may be running out on the grabfest.

Throughout the administrations of every Israeli Prime Minister since 1967 nothing has stopped the settlement machine for very long. And nothing will stop it until either 1.) They take it all, at which point they will try to squeeze out most of the remaining Palestinians because G-d forgive they have a democratic state that represents all the people in the land, or 2.) There is some kind of outside intervention...

[james&olya 1,121]

The solution is simple. Just look to what the repubs are trying to do here. Impose restrictive and arbitrary photo-ID laws. Reduce voting hours and machines in certain areas. Make felons ineligible to vote and then pass laws making felonies of customs of the group you want to dis-enfranchise. Or just be up-front and adopt apartheid openly and honestly.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

The solution is simple. Just look to what the repubs are trying to do here. Impose restrictive and arbitrary photo-ID laws. Reduce voting hours and machines in certain areas. Make felons ineligible to vote and then pass laws making felonies of customs of the group you want to dis-enfranchise. Or just be up-front and adopt apartheid openly and honestly.

#1. Immigrate to land filled with Palestinian people; forcibly drive 80% of them from 3/4 of the area, claim it is now Israel

#2. Refuse to allow the few Palestinians who are left (whether inside or outside what is now Israel) to return to their own property; divide it among yourselves instead

#3. Put the few Palestinians who remain inside what is now Israel under marshal law for 20 years, while you finish either seizing or bulldozing most of their villages and towns, to make sure they'll have no place to return to

#4. Now let the few Palestinians who remain fend for themselves (as long as they know their place - as untermenschen.) If these Palestinians start patching together some shanty towns out of plywood and canvas because winter rains are coming and they're stuck in these camps with nowhere else to do, let them. Let them stay there for decades, just refuse to officially "recognize" these shanty towns as villages or towns. Then you can either underfund government services like roads, schools, electricity, gas and water lines, or even better, just don't fund them at all because - after all, they are not "recognized." Also, you can demolish the whole community any time you want, and send the whole lot of them packing, because their shanty town is "unrecognized"

#5. Meanwhile, illegally invade and occupy adjacent territory outside what is now the State of Israel, and begin a similar process on the Palestinian inhabitants there. Concentrate most of your efforts on the West Bank, which has the most valuable water and agricultural resources.

#6. Refuse to grant any building permits for expansion of housing for the Palestinians who remain in what is now Israel (whether to enclose a porch, add a room or another floor, dig a well, whatever) - even those in "recognized" communities. Then, if they dare to have children who dare to grow up and dare to start families of their own, they will have to do it anyway - and then you can demolish their home at any time, and even charge them to pay the costs. Do the same for Palestinians that fall under your control

#7. Grant Jewish builders all the permits they want, even let them bulldoze "unrecognized" Palestinian communities in order to build new Jewish neighborhoods on top of them, which of course will be "recognized." And even let Jewish builders do the same thing outside Israel's sovereign territory - just use your army to do the heavy lifting in confiscating Palestinian property from its owners in the West Bank and send the lot of them packing. Piece by piece, you turn it into exclusive Jewish colonies as well.

#8. Thus, Palestine is wiped off the map, and the remaining pesky Palestinians can just be gradually squeezed out. Once you demolish their homes, that pretty much makes most of them destitute and much easier to get rid of.

#9. Last but not least, don't forget to constantly complain about how ungrateful and unreasonable the Arabs are

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Or have the free world, unfairly as it might have been, declare there shall be a State of Israel, in a land historically occupied and conquered by 'others' occasionally or regionally referred to as Palestine but historically never ruled by "Palestinians" and see how well it goes... Oh wait, that's been done.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Or have the free world, unfairly as it might have been, declare there shall be a State of Israel, in a land historically occupied and conquered by 'others' occasionally or regionally referred to as Palestine but historically never ruled by "Palestinians" and see how well it goes... Oh wait, that's been done.

Um, "the free world" never declared that. There was a UN General Assembly vote approving the idea of dividing Palestine into two states, but it was never implemented by the Security Council which found it too problematic on a number of levels (including the legality of it all) and the proposal was sent back to the UNGA to come up with something else. They never did.

6 months later, the Zionists acting as the "provisional government of Israel" unilaterally declared Israel a country, but - which should be of great interest to international legal bodies - also declared its official borders were as demarcated in the (now defunct) UN Partition Plan.

Israel is internationally recognized as The State of Israel, not the Jewish State. "The free world" has never supported that Israel might ethnically cleanse its non-Jewish indigenous Palestinian people, or shirk its responsibility to allow non-Jewish refugees to return to their property. "The free world" has never condoned Israel's invading and occupying its neighbors' territory; never condoned Israel's colonization and annexation of those occupied lands. In fact, Israel agreed specifically not to do these things - it specifically agreed to uphold international law upon its recognition as a state, when became a signatory to international protocols and conventions including the Geneva Convention.

No matter who puts up the flag at city hall, private rights and human rights don't change - people have a right to their legally-owned private property, as well as to the full rights of citizenship in their own homeland. Refugees have the right to return to their homeland and to their property. Israel has no right to colonize and annex the West Bank. High on Zionism or not, one day reality is going to bite Israel in the azz, and that day is coming soon.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

The free world hasn't condoned the periodic attempts to attack Israel either by terrorism ala Hamas, the earlier militant PLO, nor by all of the various Muslim neighbor States either. We can agree Israel is far from being blameless but apparently not Palestineans who are apparapparently only victims?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

The free world hasn't condoned the periodic attempts to attack Israel either by terrorism ala Hamas, the earlier militant PLO, nor by all of the various Muslim neighbor States either. We can agree Israel is far from being blameless but apparently not Palestineans who are apparapparently only victims?

Please name the date on which any Arab country or even any Arab terror group attacked the State of Israel during which time Israel was not already in illegal and belligerent occupation of territory outside the borders it accepted when it was recognized as a state ?

You are not only trying to draw a comparison between Israel's illegal invasions and illegal occupations, and the various forms of resistance against them as if they are equivalent in scope, casualties, destruction, or even legality or morality. You are trying to use violent reactions to Israel's initial and ongoing violent and illegal provocations as justification for Israel's behavior in the first place.

The problem is Israel's ongoing illegal occupation of Palestinian land and its illegal colonization and de-facto annexation of it, and the refusal to acknowledge any responsibility for or to the refugees. The problem is not that Palestinians are pissed off about these things - anyone would be.