Gay bashing pastor will not give the benediction at the inaugural

[Darnell 8,479]

Giglio' a pansy for stepping aside.

Really !

[scotinmass 588]

Look man, I value your opinion and all that but you are going to have to bring a little bit more than that to make your case, show me one homosexual relationship in the bible that was accepted, give me some scripture that blots out the dozens of other ones addressing it.

How many times must it be written "Man shall not lie with man as he does with a woman?

I get people rejecting the Bibles teaching but to pretend what is so clearly stated demands more than a suggesting... Bring it dude!]

That could mean that he shouldn't bullshit his buddies the way he bullshits his wife.

It doesn't say anything about being gay.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Again, the pope can be wrong in his personal conduct it is rare teaching that are infallible (last one given was in the 50's).

You mean like the Donation of Constantine, by which the Pope exerted authority over the Western world, yet turned out to be a forgery? And sitting in his pope chair with all his Roman finery, contradicted Christ's teaching that what is God's belongs to God alone, and what belongs to Caesar, belongs to Caesar alone?

Edited January 11, 2013 by The Patriot

[Danno 1,228]

That could mean that he shouldn't bullshit his buddies the way he bullshits his wife.

It doesn't say anything about being gay.

Remember that song The boxer By Simon and garfunkle?

I learned the words to it once when I started playing guitar and one line stuck out that I find has real merit.

People believe what they want to believe and disregard the rest"

My friend believe what you want too, I can only tell you this,

God does not want to punish Gay folks, he wants to free them and all of us from Sin in our lives. You know of the pathology that is well documented in the gay community, the suicides, the substance abuse, the diminished life expectancy, the unique and sometimes life taking illnesses.

I expect what God gives us when we go to him ....is much much more than we leave behind.

I like to kick these topics around with you guy but let me be clear, I don't consider myself any more holy or good than a homosexual or anyone else.

In fact as someone who fails in my faith, too often, how can I for a moment look at myself and see anything other than what I truly am.

the world is full of sinners, the only difference are those who trust in Christ and those who reject him.

He paid the price of our sin, reject him and you go it alone.... as you insist.

Those who trust in him.. he changes, you don't change yourself first. It's like Wal-mart.... go to him as you are.

He is the life-raft for those who reach for him.

For those who refuse the are shuttled into death alone. IF you are wrong and there is a Judgment.... alone. If there is an eternity.... alone.

We will give an account "for every idle word" They will bless us or ....curse us.

people joke about having a reserved room in hell. Those are words I would not want to come back to haunt me....

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Look man, I value your opinion and all that but you are going to have to bring a little bit more than that to make your case, show me one homosexual relationship in the bible that was accepted, give me some scripture that blots out the dozens of other ones addressing it.

How many times must it be written "Man shall not lie with man as he does with a woman?

I get people rejecting the Bibles teaching but to pretend what is so clearly stated demands more than a suggesting... Bring it dude!]

Why don't you just come out of the closet and admit your increasingly powerful homosexual tendencies? Of course you're right Danno. I'll believe you over Jesus any day. After all, Jesus really meant, Love One Another as long as they aren't gay. And judge as you shall be judged, except it's ok to judge gays. I'll bet he forgot to put in the part about the blacks and Hispanics too. Must not have been any of them around Jerusalem back then. If you are a Christian and believe the Bible, the Word of Jesus trumps all. Except those parts which you don't like.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Because it's the word of God. Sort of. Maybe.

Seems they can't quite agree on what that word of God really is. So until they do we should not pay too much attention.

The only infallible rule of faith for me is the Bible. That's not to say I don't study historical context and commentaries. Both are extremely helpful. Most people misinterpret the Bible on some points. I personally don't believe in infant baptism. I could be wrong on that, though. There are some things that are taught by congregations which are incorrect. Otherwise you'd have only one denomination. But I try not to major on the minor points. Though I believe error matters, I don't believe it affects their salvation at all. I consider the essentials to be things like the beliefs asserted in the Nicene Creed. Though I hold to other creeds that are based upon the Bible, I don't believe they have the authority the Bible possesses. And like I said, no one is righteous in and of themselves; not a single one (with the obvious exception of God himself). Therefore I have to assume I've made errors myself in theology, and continue to do so. I just trust the Holy Spirit to direct my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ to correct me through Scripture when I err.

Clear as mud.

[Danno 1,228]

Why don't you just come out of the closet and admit your increasingly powerful homosexual tendencies? Of course you're right Danno. I'll believe you over Jesus any day. After all, Jesus really meant, Love One Another as long as they aren't gay. And judge as you shall be judged, except it's ok to judge gays. I'll bet he forgot to put in the part about the blacks and Hispanics too. Must not have been any of them around Jerusalem back then. If you are a Christian and believe the Bible, the Word of Jesus trumps all. Except those parts which you don't like.

You make a good point here, the only problem is you have not produced anything that Jesus said which contradicts what he said earlier in the old Testament and later through his disciples.

JEsus told up to love everyone, does that mean we love the adulterer so much we deny that adultery is a sin?

Do we love the child abuser and not make a judgment on his acts?

This logic makes not sense.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

You make a good point here, the only problem is you have not produced anything that Jesus said which contradicts what he said earlier in the old Testament and later through his disciples.

JEsus told up to love everyone, does that mean we love the adulterer so much we deny that adultery is a sin?

Do we love the child abuser and not make a judgment on his acts?

This logic makes not sense.

Jesus said adultery was a sin. That one was mentioned in the 10 commandments. There was no commandment that said though shalt not butt ** thy neighbors husband.

Jesus supposedly loves us all, even the child molesters and murderers. They are subject to the laws of man while on earth and will be judged at the end of their lives by higher authority. If the child molester is truly sorry and repents, he is forgiven.

Edited January 12, 2013 by spookyturtle

[Danno 1,228]

Jesus said adultery was a sin. That one was mentioned in the 10 commandments. There was no commandment that said though shalt not butt ** thy neighbors husband.

And there was also not one that said- Thou shalt not butt-F__K your neighbors boy.

The ten commandments was just one part of the Law laid out for the Jews.

Some of those laws are universal some are specific to the house of israel.

It gets more complicated than must of us can appreciate.

[Dakine10 5,452]

We all are horrible. We all like sheep have gone astray. There are none righteous, no not even ONE! (Isaiah 53:6)

But this drives a man to Christ when he realizes he cannot keep the laws of God perfectly and God's judgement rests on him. Perhaps God will show you mercy if you seek Christ.

I get that part. What is hard to reconcile is that if you don't do that, he will burn you in hell for all of eternity. That seems pretty vindictive and mean even for God, don't you think?

I would think that with all of God's wisdom and compassion, maybe an afternoon of soul roasting would be enough. Or maybe a couple of months. But all of eternity? If humanity needed such an over the top deity, we should have just stuck with Zeus.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'm sorry, but when I read all the Bible-y stuff about salvation and being arrested by a deity and kingdoms of darkness I can't stifle a few girlish giggles. I know y'all believe this stuff and would defend it to the eyeteeth but man, it does sound as ludicrous to me as I'm sure my non-belief in a supernatural authority sounds to you.

Wanna make sure you are talking about the Christian bible. Cause if you said that about Islam and the Korean you would get censored in this forum.

Not saying I disagree with you, just saying you can only point out the hypocrisy of one religion around here.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Cause if you said that about Islam and the Korean you would get censored in this forum.

They're sensoring stuff about Korean deities now? Darn, that's too bad. I had a funny story about Jumong that I wanted to tell.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Wanna make sure you are talking about the Christian bible. Cause if you said that about Islam and the Korean you would get censored in this forum.

Not saying I disagree with you, just saying you can only point out the hypocrisy of one religion around here.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

You make a good point here, the only problem is you have not produced anything that Jesus said which contradicts what he said earlier in the old Testament and later through his disciples.

JEsus told up to love everyone, does that mean we love the adulterer so much we deny that adultery is a sin?

Do we love the child abuser and not make a judgment on his acts?

This logic makes not sense.

Jesus said nothing in the Old Testament. He wasn't born yet.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Jesus said nothing in the Old Testament. He wasn't born yet.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:1

But according to the New Testament, Jesus was always with us, even before He was born. I guess that means He "inspired" the Old Testament as well.