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[samir_shannon 0]

Ok first of all not being for gays getting married and not for women getting abortions doesnt make me not tolerable. I am considering converting to islam and have been talking to people at the mosque about the prophet and his teaching and the laws in Islam.

If you're ever interested in chatting with someone who's been there, done that, feel free to look me up I have lots of good internet resources and books to recommend.

There are a few in this forum that talk about Islam all the time and make postings about Islam but will vote for someone who obviously goes against the teachings of Islam.

I would guess that would be me. I have consistantly voted democrat since I gained the privilege of voting at age 18. As a minority in a non muslim society, there will never ever ever be a candidate with whom I agree with 100%. So, I write out what is important to me, as a muslim and as an american, and I find candidates that fulfil more of what I want. And, 99 times out of 100, the candidate is a democrat.

Muslims threw their support behind the republicans in 2000 because Bush took 5 minutes to talk with some muslim leaders about the use of secret evidence. What have republicans done for american muslims? Not much. So, as a community, we're continuing to evolve and mature in our political activities and realize that you have to be sophisticated in your political choices, that no one party will represent everything you want, and sometimes you have to coalition with people whom you might not morally agree with. That's life.

Rahma i can guarantee if I went to the mosque and talked to the Imam and asked him is it wrong ffor me to feel the way i feel, he would say no.

That's funny, cuz there were a number of Imams and muslim community activists who threw their support behind Brother Keith, knowing full well what his policy positions were. Certainly there will be those who disagree, but that's up to the individual.

Also the fight isnt for minorities. It is to do what God tells us to do. God said marriage is for a man and a woman. God says it is wrong to kill.

I would like to know why I am called intolerant because I view it this way.

Fiqh of minorities not fighting of minorities. The fiqh of minorities is how we apply sharia when we are living in a non muslim land. It ain't like sharia in a muslim majority country. We apply sharia in our own life and don't rely on the government to tell us what we can and cannot do. Our goal is to enjoin good and forbid evil. So, as muslims in a non muslim land, we determine what is good and what is not. Then, we see how best we achieve as much good as possible.

I don't know if people call you intolerant because of your views, but rather how you articulate your views. The Qur'an asks us to convey the message in a good manner. That extends to our conversations in everday life as well.

I enjoyed your response and that is what i like.. a good response to a good arguement. I appreciate the convo and congrats on your victory.

[sarah and hicham 3]

Nancy Pelosi is Catholic yet is pro-stem cell research.

It's very rare that you will find a candidate that is a good leader who holds the issues to their belief system. That's pretty idealistic to think that we can choose such a person.

also former mayor of san fran, and we both know what san fran is famous for

Alcatraz

close but not quite

Oops sorry I left out Ghiradelli chocolate.

[samir_shannon 0]

So Shannon why DO you care so much? Why did you come in here to try to call out Muslims? That's not a very humble thing to do, I thought the judging was left up to God?

I wasnt trying to CALL OUT. This is an issue that I like to talk about with other voters. It is something that was important to me. Thats all. You and your friend Moody only know how to make wise cracks and contribute nothing worth anything to the arguement of gay marriage, religion, and abortion. The fact is no matter what i say, that is all you and moody will do. I dont care how i rate in this forum. I hardly even come here to VJ anymore becasue my husband is here and I have better things to do. C-YA

[noura 0]

here we go again.... who's gonna get banned first? I won't be back in this thread for a while.... later taters...

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

here we go again.... who's gonna get banned first? I won't be back in this thread for a while.... later taters...

vegas has shannon as a favorite

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'm Muslim, Republican, voted for marriage as a union between one man and one woman as a Colorado Constitutional amendment, won't vote for those who support late term abortions, do not support gay marriage, illegal immigration, and do not believe that the fiqh of minorites calls upon us to "tolerate" (what a stupid word!) lifestyles that our Lord has rejected.

Edited November 8, 2006 by szsz

[ya falaha! 0]

I'm with Noura...hey Noura can I hitch a ride on that camel?

here we go again.... who's gonna get banned first? I won't be back in this thread for a while.... later taters...

[sarachid 0]

Ok first of all not being for gays getting married and not for women getting abortions doesnt make me not tolerable. I am considering converting to islam and have been talking to people at the mosque about the prophet and his teaching and the laws in Islam.

If you're ever interested in chatting with someone who's been there, done that, feel free to look me up I have lots of good internet resources and books to recommend.

There are a few in this forum that talk about Islam all the time and make postings about Islam but will vote for someone who obviously goes against the teachings of Islam.

I would guess that would be me. I have consistantly voted democrat since I gained the privilege of voting at age 18. As a minority in a non muslim society, there will never ever ever be a candidate with whom I agree with 100%. So, I write out what is important to me, as a muslim and as an american, and I find candidates that fulfil more of what I want. And, 99 times out of 100, the candidate is a democrat.

Muslims threw their support behind the republicans in 2000 because Bush took 5 minutes to talk with some muslim leaders about the use of secret evidence. What have republicans done for american muslims? Not much. So, as a community, we're continuing to evolve and mature in our political activities and realize that you have to be sophisticated in your political choices, that no one party will represent everything you want, and sometimes you have to coalition with people whom you might not morally agree with. That's life.

Rahma i can guarantee if I went to the mosque and talked to the Imam and asked him is it wrong ffor me to feel the way i feel, he would say no.

That's funny, cuz there were a number of Imams and muslim community activists who threw their support behind Brother Keith, knowing full well what his policy positions were. Certainly there will be those who disagree, but that's up to the individual.

Also the fight isnt for minorities. It is to do what God tells us to do. God said marriage is for a man and a woman. God says it is wrong to kill.

I would like to know why I am called intolerant because I view it this way.

Fiqh of minorities not fighting of minorities. The fiqh of minorities is how we apply sharia when we are living in a non muslim land. It ain't like sharia in a muslim majority country. We apply sharia in our own life and don't rely on the government to tell us what we can and cannot do. Our goal is to enjoin good and forbid evil. So, as muslims in a non muslim land, we determine what is good and what is not. Then, we see how best we achieve as much good as possible.

I don't know if people call you intolerant because of your views, but rather how you articulate your views. The Qur'an asks us to convey the message in a good manner. That extends to our conversations in everday life as well.

[mybackpages 0]

WOW learned the hard way that some people shouldn't be quoted in posts....sorry about that.

Did someone say Ghirardelli?

[sarachid 0]

Ok first of all not being for gays getting married and not for women getting abortions doesnt make me not tolerable. I am considering converting to islam and have been talking to people at the mosque about the prophet and his teaching and the laws in Islam. There are a few in this forum that talk about Islam all the time and make postings about Islam but will vote for someone who obviously goes against the teachings of Islam.

Rahma i can guarantee if I went to the mosque and talked to the Imam and asked him is it wrong ffor me to feel the way i feel, he would say no.

Also the fight isnt for minorities. It is to do what God tells us to do. God said marriage is for a man and a woman. God says it is wrong to kill.

I would like to know why I am called intolerant because I view it this way.

Are there any religions that say homosexuality or aborition is right or acceptable? It's against Christianity too, but there are plenty people that are prochoice and support gay marriage. Do you think that just because someone is Muslim that they follow every single teaching and rule?

JP I fully agree with you on that. I as a Christian do not support it. What I am saying is that Rahma posts threads about Islam and is an obvious muslim in which she presetns to people that she lives her life as one so what I am asking is how can you openly support gay marriage and abortion? If you are religious you are suppossed to follow it. That is all I am saying. I dont support those things because I have been taught that God doesnt allow those things. That is my point. I am sure alot of Imams and muslim scholars would find it insulting that there are muslims openly supporting these things. If they ask thier husband if these things are accepted in thier countries I am sure they know what the answer is. I know in Algeria it isnt accepted. I guess thier husbands must be intolerable too......

Shannon please think about what you are saying. Is there any congressman or senator that you fully support? Just because Rahma posts about Islam doesn't mean she is the poster child for Islam. Islam may not agree with abortion and gay marriage but it does teach tolerence. If you are religious you are not supposed to have pre-marital sex either. You are not supposed to lie. There are many things you are not supposed to do by the standards of religion but no one here claims to perfect.

Why does it matter if their husbands accept it? Some people actually have a mind of their own and don't form their opinions based on what their husbands think. I do agree with you that the religions are against these things, but let God be the judge of that. You are in no place to tell people how to worship or what to believe.

another great point .....I wonder if she (shannon) will ever get that

[noura 0]

WOW learned the hard way that some people shouldn't be quoted in posts....sorry about that.

Did someone say Ghirardelli?

yea, u didn't know any better..... i'll have some of that chocolate tho!!!

I'm with Noura...hey Noura can I hitch a ride on that camel?

here we go again.... who's gonna get banned first? I won't be back in this thread for a while.... later taters...

sure, hop on Moody! we'll go for a trek... leave some dust scattering!

[cbd2cai 0]

I'm with Noura...hey Noura can I hitch a ride on that camel?

here we go again.... who's gonna get banned first? I won't be back in this thread for a while.... later taters...

sure, hop on Moody! we'll go for a trek... leave some dust scattering!

Noura, I thought you were staying out of this thread???

[sarah and hicham 3]

I'm with Noura...hey Noura can I hitch a ride on that camel?

here we go again.... who's gonna get banned first? I won't be back in this thread for a while.... later taters...

sure, hop on Moody! we'll go for a trek... leave some dust scattering!

Noura, I thought you were staying out of this thread???

She's addicted to the drama! Notorious for saying she's out, then is back in a minute hahahaha. Oh Noura you're too funny.

[Jenn! 918]

Rice a Roni?

[sarah and hicham 3]

Cable Cars!