Armed Hate Crime Victim Decides Not to Shoot Attacker

[natty bumppo 297]

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It doesn't matter what I'd do. This guy made the decision for himself. His girlfriend was out of danger, and he didn't have a clear shot, and he chose not to shoot. That was his decision, and nobody else's life was put at risk because of it.

Again, if you'd do something differently, great. You do what's right for you. This guy didn't feel taking the shot was right, so he didn't, and that's that. To judge him negatively because you would have done it differently is stupid.

You are crowing about his decision. It was his and he got lucky not to be maimed or killed.

Now ... What would you do?

Hypothetically of course ....

[aaydrian 479]

If someone shoots me in the head right away, that does kind of limit my options...

Pretty sure that isn't what happened here.

Anyway, very sad that that's what people are taking from this story.

Exactly. He's suggesting that bullets expire like milk and MUST be used.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

You are crowing about his decision. It was his and he got lucky not to be maimed or killed.

Now ... What would you do?

Hypothetically of course ....

How am I crowing about his decision?! Are you reading this thread? I said he did what he felt was right and he doesn't regret it. I'm not the one going on and on about what a horrible decision it was, that he has no balls, that he doesn't have the mental capacity to use his weapon, etc. Madness.

[Darnell 8,478]

i dunno, i probably would have shot him in the foot,

then walked up, turned him over,

and shot him in the @ss,

then watch him bleed out whilst waiting for the cops to show up.

but that's just me.

I hate anti-Muslim hate crimes..

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I'm sure that if it was anyone here's son that did the stupid thing shooting someone with a pellet gun, they'd be kissing the victims a$$ for not killing him. If your teen son stupidly broke into your neighbors house and got shot dead, would you say he got what he deserved and shake it off? Of course you would! You're all real men.

[natty bumppo 297]

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Exactly. He's suggesting that bullets expire like milk and MUST be used.

Bullets expire like milk ..

Then I better load some cartridges with some of the 45+ year old milk thats laying around here and get out to range ....

[natty bumppo 297]

How am I crowing about his decision?! Are you reading this thread? I said he did what he felt was right and he doesn't regret it. I'm not the one going on and on about what a horrible decision it was, that he has no balls, that he doesn't have the mental capacity to use his weapon, etc. Madness.

you are the one who brought up mental health

Of the two people in this story, you're questioning Cameron's mental health?

i only questioned his ability to use his tool under stress ....

and what the dangers of not using could be ...

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'm sure that if it was anyone here's son that did the stupid thing shooting someone with a pellet gun, they'd be kissing the victims a$$ for not killing him. If your teen son stupidly broke into your neighbors house and got shot dead, would you say he got what he deserved and shake it off? Of course you would! You're all real men.

I would grieve the rest of my life and be heartbroken. But not blame the homeowner one bit

[Penny Lane 8,159]

you are the one who brought up mental health

In response to your comment about his mental preparedness.

[natty bumppo 297]

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In response to your comment about his mental preparedness.

So mental preparedness now equals mental health?

[aaydrian 479]

I would grieve the rest of my life and be heartbroken. But not blame the homeowner one bit

Who are you trying to kid? You're told that a homeowner could have 100% avoided killing your child and you would pat the shooter on the back and said 'Good job. That was the best thing they could have done. Now watch me only grieve over my loss'?

Edited January 8, 2013 by aaydrian

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So mental preparedness now equals mental health?

You are the one who is calling him weak for making a decision you would not make.

[Karee 4,190]

Go away your to hard to argue with

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Who are you trying to kid? You're told that a homeowner could have 100% avoided killing your child and you would pat the shooter on the back and said 'Good job. That was the best thing they could have done. Now watch me only grieve over my loss'?

Nope if my son broke and entered someones home and got killed by the homeowner, I would not blame him a bit. Like I said I would be devastated, wonder how I went wrong and a million other emtions, but not blame the person who was defending his family one bit.

Read this story of a father in Middle GA who did the right thing..

My link

HEY DO not come much more dedicated than John Cook. Dedicated as a lawman - in his home city of Macon, Georgia, he was an FBI agent for 29 years - as a Christian and as a father. Never could he have imagined how those three decent loyalties would one day rip him, his life and his family apart. For almost three decades, Mr Cook, 55, would have these words for his children as he left home each morning. "I'm going out to make the streets of America safe for little children, pretty women and old dogs". Glib words for sure, said with tongue half in cheek, but words he earnestly believed in.

One time, Mr Cook and his colleagues failed the city. That was the night of 2 January 1995, when two university students were shot dead as they sat in their car in a lovers' lane area at nearby Lake Juliette. It was only on 4 December 1996, that the Macon police, through gun-sale records, found a suspect. He lived in a trailer near the lake. Name: Andrew Cook.

Andrew was John Cook's son, now 23, and that was the beginning of the agent's nightmare. That day, he received a phone call from Andrew. This is how Mr Cook later recalled asking his son about the night of the murders.

"He was hesitant, and finally said, `Daddy, I can't tell you. You're one of them, a cop'. I said, `Andy, I'm your father. Do you know anything?'" As the conversation proceeded, the boy said that yes, he did. Next, Andrew admitted he had been at the scene. Then, girding himself, John Cook asked the fateful question. "Did you shoot them?" Andrew said that he had.

It was a moment, Mr Cook recalled, that "wrenched my heart out. I felt like the world crashed in on me". But what was to ensue would prove more painful still. Unable to put aside his commitment to the law and to God, even for his own child, he accompanied the boy the next day to turn himself in.

Two weeks ago, Andrew Cook went on trial for two counts of first degree murder. Because of that one conversation - the telephone confession - John Cook found himself in court as the star witness for the prosecution.

The trial, in Macon's courthouse, lasted barely a week. With the words of the father in its ears as well as DNA evidence produced by the prosecution, the jury took two hours to reach its verdict: guilty. Judge Johnnie Caldwell said that the killing of the two young people, Michelle Cartagena, 19, and Grant Hendrickson, 20, was the most senseless he had ever seen.

One more task remained for the distraught father: to plead with the jury in the sentencing hearing the next day not to spare his son from execution. Moving the court to tears and crying himself, he said: "I was busy looking out the front door for evil. But it came in the back door and consumed my son."

He went on: "Yesterday, I sat here and talked to you as the cop, and now I want to talk to you as the father." Asking jurors to accept that there had to be a "kernel of value, of goodness" deep in his son, he concluded: "I knew it would probably be my words that would send him to the electric chair."

He had guessed right. Andrew Cook's confession, given in trust from a son to a father, was too much for the jury to ignore; it showed no hesitation in recommending the death sentence. Judge Caldwell duly obliged and Andrew Cook is now on Georgia's Death Row.

Cook Sr, who resigned from the FBI in February and is now an investigator in the local district attorney's office, has since told the Atlanta Constitution that he survived the trial "not because I am any hero or have special courage. You do what you have to, and I have a strong belief in God.

"God is not finished with the final chapter in any of our lives. I don't know what the final chapter will be for Andy's life, but somehow, somewhere, there will be a purpose."

Does he regret reporting that December telephone call to the police? No. But, he adds, "I probably would not have gone into such detail that I would be the star witness against him."

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

He is a good guy and I was joking with him, but he presents a very complex argument, that would have to be debated with a lots of research, and even then he has a solid argument.Plus it was about time for the SEC to prove to the world why it is the most dominant conference ever, and why the real NC was decided on Dec 1.

I prefer the "Lakes are not man made, no one has ever crashed into a crowd on purpose, and putting more drunk drivers on the road is like gun control crowd." Lot less work