debate gun violance with facts

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So, he wants dishonest or non-law-abiding or non-US citizens to have firearms as well?

How in the world id you get that out of that statement.

Good points, I think regarding the handgun issue, it has to be made more difficult for someone to own one. If they want a handgun so badly to protect themselves then they'll jump through all the necessary hoops to do so. It's just common sense, some measures that could be implemented before owning one could be:

1) Must pass a Criminal Background Check

2) Must go on a firearms training course, learn how to use, store and own the weapon safely.

3) Must pass a psychiatry evaluation.

As a pro gun guy I can go for number 1 and 2. I will go for number 3 if we can apply it to voting, and put a rider in the bill that says you must pay more into the tax system than you take out in order to vote.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

How in the world id you get that out of that statement.

English. Do you speak it?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

English. Do you speak it?

Speak eloquently type not so much. Odd how leaving a d off of did and spell check not catching it angered you so much.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Speak eloquently type not so much. Odd how leaving a d off of did and spell check not catching it angered you so much.

Not angry. Try and read through his statement again and see if you can understand what he actually said, not what he meant to say.

I don't post Venn diagrams here - too labor intensive.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Try and read through his statement again and see if you can understand what he actually said, not what he meant to say.

Tall ticket. You're hanging the bar way too high here, buddy.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Tall ticket. You're hanging the bar way too high here, buddy.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/man-made-floods/373101/

Man-made floodsReservoir management has failed, yet again Business Standard / New Delhi Oct 13, 2009, 00:07 IST

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Duct-Cleaning.HomeAdvisor.comUnlike earthquakes, which can neither be predicted nor prevented, floods are both predictable and, to a large extent, preventable. The country has an elaborate, country-wide flood warning system in place, with two well-equipped central agencies — the India Meteorological Department (IMD) and the Central Water Commission — charged with this task. Despite this, the receding monsoon has caused devastating floods in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra, killing hundreds of people and rendering several million homeless. Heavy precipitation alone cannot be held responsible for this, because this seems to be a case of multi-agency failure. Water inflows into dams were allowed to rise unabated till they became unmanageable and required to be released, regardless of the fact that the entire region was being pounded by an incessant monsoon downpour at the time. The blame for this rests on the managements of the water reservoirs, who mistimed the release of water.

The lack of coordination between the project authorities of water barrages on the River Krishna that runs across this region was the second problem. The water level in the massive Srisailam reservoir rose to 896 feet, unprecedented in the dam’s history, whereas its designed capacity is only 885 feet. The floodgates should, obviously, have been opened when the level was approaching the dam’s full capacity and not when it had overshot its limit. Worse, water from the Almati and Narayanpur dams in the Krishna basin in Karnataka was discharged into the Srisailam reservoir, thus aggravating the situation. The outflows from the Srisailam dam then reached the Nagarjuna Sagar dam which, in turn, directed the excess water to the Prakasam barrage, the last project on the Krishna before it reaches the sea. However, excessive releases from Prakasam inundated vast areas in and around Vijayawada, the financial hub of Andhra Pradesh, before flowing into the sea. Such mismanagement of water stocks and lack of coordination in water releases need to be investigated in order to ensure accountability. Even more important is to learn from this experience and improve operating procedures.

Also Read Related Stories News Now

-K'taka seeks additional Rs 2,000cr immediate aid-PM announces Rs 1,000cr assistance to Karnataka-Focus shifts to relief distribution as water recedes-Flood-hit Andhra gets Rs 1,000-cr PM relief-Irda moves to speed up settlement claims in flood-hit states-Infosys commits Rs 30cr to Karnataka govt The average annual damage caused by floods is reckoned at a whopping Rs 1,376 crore through the loss of crops, property and public utilities, besides 1,560 human lives and 91,555 heads of cattle. This year, the loss may be much greater. Though it might be argued that the loss of crops on account of floods is usually compensated for by good subsequent crops because of the soil moisture and silt left behind by floods in their trail, the other losses take years to redeem. A country like India can ill-afford such huge deprivation year after year. There is an obvious need to improve the ability to predict rainfall and floods, and to facilitate the timely initiation of damage mitigation measures. There is also need for revisiting the guidelines for disaster management preparedness issued under the Disaster Management Act, 2005. Though all states have been advised to set up disaster response forces, on the lines of the National Disaster Response Force (NDRF), Andhra Pradesh regretfully is among those which have not done so.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/man-made-floods/373101/

Man-made floodsReservoir management has failed, yet again Business Standard / New Delhi Oct 13, 2009, 00:07 IST

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Duct-Cleaning.HomeAdvisor.comUnlike earthquakes, which can neither be predicted nor prevented, floods are both predictable and, to a large extent, preventable. The country has an elaborate, country-wide flood warning system in place, with two well-equipped central agencies — the India Meteorological Department (IMD) and the Central Water Commission — charged with this task. Despite this, the receding monsoon has caused devastating floods in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra, killing hundreds of people and rendering several million homeless. Heavy precipitation alone cannot be held responsible for this, because this seems to be a case of multi-agency failure. Water inflows into dams were allowed to rise unabated till they became unmanageable and required to be released, regardless of the fact that the entire region was being pounded by an incessant monsoon downpour at the time. The blame for this rests on the managements of the water reservoirs, who mistimed the release of water.

The lack of coordination between the project authorities of water barrages on the River Krishna that runs across this region was the second problem. The water level in the massive Srisailam reservoir rose to 896 feet, unprecedented in the dam’s history, whereas its designed capacity is only 885 feet. The floodgates should, obviously, have been opened when the level was approaching the dam’s full capacity and not when it had overshot its limit. Worse, water from the Almati and Narayanpur dams in the Krishna basin in Karnataka was discharged into the Srisailam reservoir, thus aggravating the situation. The outflows from the Srisailam dam then reached the Nagarjuna Sagar dam which, in turn, directed the excess water to the Prakasam barrage, the last project on the Krishna before it reaches the sea. However, excessive releases from Prakasam inundated vast areas in and around Vijayawada, the financial hub of Andhra Pradesh, before flowing into the sea. Such mismanagement of water stocks and lack of coordination in water releases need to be investigated in order to ensure accountability. Even more important is to learn from this experience and improve operating procedures.

Also Read Related Stories News Now

-K'taka seeks additional Rs 2,000cr immediate aid-PM announces Rs 1,000cr assistance to Karnataka-Focus shifts to relief distribution as water recedes-Flood-hit Andhra gets Rs 1,000-cr PM relief-Irda moves to speed up settlement claims in flood-hit states-Infosys commits Rs 30cr to Karnataka govt The average annual damage caused by floods is reckoned at a whopping Rs 1,376 crore through the loss of crops, property and public utilities, besides 1,560 human lives and 91,555 heads of cattle. This year, the loss may be much greater. Though it might be argued that the loss of crops on account of floods is usually compensated for by good subsequent crops because of the soil moisture and silt left behind by floods in their trail, the other losses take years to redeem. A country like India can ill-afford such huge deprivation year after year. There is an obvious need to improve the ability to predict rainfall and floods, and to facilitate the timely initiation of damage mitigation measures. There is also need for revisiting the guidelines for disaster management preparedness issued under the Disaster Management Act, 2005. Though all states have been advised to set up disaster response forces, on the lines of the National Disaster Response Force (NDRF), Andhra Pradesh regretfully is among those which have not done so.

Now you can't even keep it straight between two threads. Floods were discussed in the other thread. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Boggy1974 124]

hahahahahaha...really enjoy reading your posts!

[james&olya 1,121]

Just like the gun debate. 4 posts from the anti gun crowd and not one fact or substantive comment, only 4 attack the messenger. Thank you for illustrating so clearly what the write of the article was saying.. Bravo folks

Pathetic!

[james&olya 1,121]

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/man-made-floods/373101/

Man-made floodsReservoir management has failed, yet again Business Standard / New Delhi Oct 13, 2009, 00:07 IST

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Duct-Cleaning.HomeAdvisor.comUnlike earthquakes, which can neither be predicted nor prevented, floods are both predictable and, to a large extent, preventable. The country has an elaborate, country-wide flood warning system in place, with two well-equipped central agencies — the India Meteorological Department (IMD) and the Central Water Commission — charged with this task. Despite this, the receding monsoon has caused devastating floods in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra, killing hundreds of people and rendering several million homeless. Heavy precipitation alone cannot be held responsible for this, because this seems to be a case of multi-agency failure. Water inflows into dams were allowed to rise unabated till they became unmanageable and required to be released, regardless of the fact that the entire region was being pounded by an incessant monsoon downpour at the time. The blame for this rests on the managements of the water reservoirs, who mistimed the release of water.

The lack of coordination between the project authorities of water barrages on the River Krishna that runs across this region was the second problem. The water level in the massive Srisailam reservoir rose to 896 feet, unprecedented in the dam’s history, whereas its designed capacity is only 885 feet. The floodgates should, obviously, have been opened when the level was approaching the dam’s full capacity and not when it had overshot its limit. Worse, water from the Almati and Narayanpur dams in the Krishna basin in Karnataka was discharged into the Srisailam reservoir, thus aggravating the situation. The outflows from the Srisailam dam then reached the Nagarjuna Sagar dam which, in turn, directed the excess water to the Prakasam barrage, the last project on the Krishna before it reaches the sea. However, excessive releases from Prakasam inundated vast areas in and around Vijayawada, the financial hub of Andhra Pradesh, before flowing into the sea. Such mismanagement of water stocks and lack of coordination in water releases need to be investigated in order to ensure accountability. Even more important is to learn from this experience and improve operating procedures.

Also Read Related Stories News Now

-K'taka seeks additional Rs 2,000cr immediate aid-PM announces Rs 1,000cr assistance to Karnataka-Focus shifts to relief distribution as water recedes-Flood-hit Andhra gets Rs 1,000-cr PM relief-Irda moves to speed up settlement claims in flood-hit states-Infosys commits Rs 30cr to Karnataka govt The average annual damage caused by floods is reckoned at a whopping Rs 1,376 crore through the loss of crops, property and public utilities, besides 1,560 human lives and 91,555 heads of cattle. This year, the loss may be much greater. Though it might be argued that the loss of crops on account of floods is usually compensated for by good subsequent crops because of the soil moisture and silt left behind by floods in their trail, the other losses take years to redeem. A country like India can ill-afford such huge deprivation year after year. There is an obvious need to improve the ability to predict rainfall and floods, and to facilitate the timely initiation of damage mitigation measures. There is also need for revisiting the guidelines for disaster management preparedness issued under the Disaster Management Act, 2005. Though all states have been advised to set up disaster response forces, on the lines of the National Disaster Response Force (NDRF), Andhra Pradesh regretfully is among those which have not done so.

Holy sh!t! The other thread got closed for going so far off topic but you can't give up, you want to derail this one to go there too. Why?

But since you opened it I would just like to say that while some analogies are better than others, all analogies fail when taken too far. NOTHING is proven by doing this except perhaps how resistant you may be to the logic being used!

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Posted Today, 01:04 AM

Run Herschel Run, on 01 January 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

Just like the gun debate. 4 posts from the anti gun crowd and not one fact or substantive comment, only 4 attack the messenger. Thank you for illustrating so clearly what the write of the article was saying.. Bravo folks

Pathetic!

and so to make his point his does more of the same...

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Here are some other FACTS

1. In July 1994 congress passed the "Assault Weapons Ban" which didn't ban anything. After demanding that Congress act on this legislation before going on summer vacation because "criminals do not take vacation", President Bill Clinton...went on vacation. He did not sign the legislation until September 14. Giving the firearms manufacturers 2 months to make a 10 year (or more)supply of "grandfathered pre-ban" rifle receivers and high capacity magazines. Only the reciver "counts" as a rifle and "assault weapons" receivers are usually made of stamped metal, or cast metal or even extrusions. In other words..."thosands per hour" and they ran 24/7 for two months! Way to go, Billy boy.

2. Clinton's vacation rendered the already impotent "non-ban" completely irrelevent.

3. In November 1994, the Democrats were tossed from control of both house of congress.

4. Vermont's Republican Representative, Peter Smith, voted for the the "non-ban" and was replaced with an avowed Socialist, fomer Mayor of Burlington, Bernie Sanders. Sanders was supported by the NRA. (in case anyone thinks it was NOT the gun issue that made the change, even Republicans that voted for it got ousted!)

5. Heller decision 2008. Debate it all you want, it does not make it easier to pass federal firearms legislation

6. McDonald decision 2010. Debate it all you want, it does not make it easier to pass Federal firearms legislation

7. There will be NO additional Federal firearms legislation presented to Obama for signature by this congress.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Pathetic!

Just like President (I-never-need-to-be-elected-again) Obama's call for Federal Firearms legislation AFTER his last-ever election.

What a brave soul!

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Here are some other FACTS

1. In July 1994 congress passed the "Assault Weapons Ban" which didn't ban anything. After demanding that Congress act on this legislation before going on summer vacation because "criminals do not take vacation", President Bill Clinton...went on vacation. He did not sign the legislation until September 14. Giving the firearms manufacturers 2 months to make a 10 year (or more)supply of "grandfathered pre-ban" rifle receivers and high capacity magazines. Only the reciver "counts" as a rifle and "assault weapons" receivers are usually made of stamped metal, or cast metal or even extrusions. In other words..."thosands per hour" and they ran 24/7 for two months! Way to go, Billy boy.

2. Clinton's vacation rendered the already impotent "non-ban" completely irrelevent.

3. In November 1994, the Democrats were tossed from control of both house of congress.

4. Vermont's Republican Representative, Peter Smith, voted for the the "non-ban" and was replaced with an avowed Socialist, fomer Mayor of Burlington, Bernie Sanders. Sanders was supported by the NRA. (in case anyone thinks it was NOT the gun issue that made the change, even Republicans that voted for it got ousted!)

5. Heller decision 2008. Debate it all you want, it does not make it easier to pass federal firearms legislation

6. McDonald decision 2010. Debate it all you want, it does not make it easier to pass Federal firearms legislation

7. There will be NO additional Federal firearms legislation presented to Obama for signature by this congress.

Democrats will secretly be happy about number 7.

[sly_wolf 199]

Fact: Crazy people with easy access to guns will kill as many people as they can.

There is nothing to debate.