Police Report - Russia

[atozonetonine 0]

My fiance was previously living in Moscow for work, but apparently she cannot get a police report because she was not "officially" living there. She is only able to get a police report from her home town, just outside moscow, but in a different police district.

However, we included her Moscow address in her Bio document of course, and now we require a police report from each area that she lived.

Has anyone else ran into this problem? or have any insight?

thanks.

[Altair17 9]

Just talked to my future wife about this, and she confirms that any russian not living in moscow permanently has to register within 3 days of arrival or risks being stopped by police, etc.

Sounds like your GF broke this law, which is fine as long as nobody would have found out. But if you already mailed I129 that included moscow in it you probably need legal advice on this matter.

I see 2 possibilities, either you must retract your petition and start over skipping this part, or must prepare some kind of letter explaining situation for the officer doing the interview. I'm sure you've seen other posts describing situations where everyone says not to lie even if there is a bad situation and be open about it. Here, I believe, you may have shot yourself in a foot. Definetly seek a legal advice as you will need legal help in case interviewer will ask this question.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Just talked to my future wife about this, and she confirms that any russian not living in moscow permanently has to register within 3 days of arrival or risks being stopped by police, etc.

Sounds like your GF broke this law, which is fine as long as nobody would have found out. But if you already mailed I129 that included moscow in it you probably need legal advice on this matter.

I see 2 possibilities, either you must retract your petition and start over skipping this part, or must prepare some kind of letter explaining situation for the officer doing the interview. I'm sure you've seen other posts describing situations where everyone says not to lie even if there is a bad situation and be open about it. Here, I believe, you may have shot yourself in a foot. Definetly seek a legal advice as you will need legal help in case interviewer will ask this question.

Please stop giving advice.

OP...There is only ONE police report and it is valid in ALL of Russia. She needs one from each COUNTRY she lived in, not each city. Got to her local police and get her police report, if she wants she can give the the Oblasti/Regions she lived in and they will be listed on the report but it DOES NOT MATTER if they are or not.

I am not guessing. DO NOT withdraw your petition!!!!!!!!!

Good grief.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Just talked to my future wife about this, and she confirms that any russian not living in moscow permanently has to register within 3 days of arrival or risks being stopped by police, etc.

Sounds like your GF broke this law, which is fine as long as nobody would have found out. But if you already mailed I129 that included moscow in it you probably need legal advice on this matter.

I see 2 possibilities, either you must retract your petition and start over skipping this part, or must prepare some kind of letter explaining situation for the officer doing the interview. I'm sure you've seen other posts describing situations where everyone says not to lie even if there is a bad situation and be open about it. Here, I believe, you may have shot yourself in a foot. Definetly seek a legal advice as you will need legal help in case interviewer will ask this question.

NEVER suggest someone file a petition with false information. He does not need an attorney. You need to unplug your keyboard.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Interviewers at the UNITED STATES consulate do not care if your fiancee has registered her address with Russian authorities. They need ONE police certificate from Russia, it matters not at all where her official address is/was/will be.

This is actually a NON-issue. You are just fine, get ONE police certificate like everyone else

[atozonetonine 0]

ok thanks everyone.

[atozonetonine 0]

This is what it says here: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/iv-fiancee.html

8. Applicants are required to submit police certificates (original and English translation) in ALL names (including maiden names) as well as ALL dates of birth that they have used. The police certificate must contain references to EACH place (subject to the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation) in which the applicant lives or has lived for more than six months since their 16th birthday or must indicate that the applicant’s name(s) have been checked against the central database of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD). This includes localities where applicants have lived during university studies. If the applicant was performing military service, he/she should bring the certificate from the local draft board. If an applicant has lived abroad for more than one year, a police certificate must also be submitted from the country in which he/she lived. For detailed information on how to obtain a police certificate, visit http://travel.state.gov/visa/fees/fees_3272.html.

So I thought that "each place" would mean each Oblast.

[atozonetonine 0]

"or must indicate that the applicant’s name(s) have been checked against the central database of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD)"

oooooh... ok... i think I understand now.. lol I misread it.

If it is checked against the central database, it is not necessary that it contain references to each place the applicant has lived.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

"or must indicate that the applicant’s name(s) have been checked against the central database of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD)"

oooooh... ok... i think I understand now.. lol I misread it.

If it is checked against the central database, it is not necessary that it contain references to each place the applicant has lived.

BINGO! Read carefully, intrepret literally.

IF she wants, she can tell her LOCAL office all the addresses she had (official or not, they DO NOT CARE) and they will list the various Oblasti/Regions specifically, but it is NOT NECESSARY.

Russia has a central record system. So does Ukraine, so do most other countries.

I may suggest that for Russia/Ukraine/Belarus specific information (such as this) that you check out the Russia/Ukraine/Belarus regional sub-forum where there are a LOT of experienced members who have been through the Consulates in Moscow/Kiev.

Keep a few other thoughts in the back of your mind also...

1. There is NO process, procedure, form, or document that would EVER cause you to retract a petition and file a new one with false information. EVER. NONE. EVER.

2. There is NOTHING an immigration attorney can do to provide you with a police certificate in Russia or rectify old address registration issues with Russian authorities Any number of attorneys will take your money for this, however. This process is easier than applying for college. You really never need an attorney

3. The UNITED STATES and its consulates could not possibly care less if your fiancee complied with obscure requirements of registering addresses, visa overstays in other countries, or shoplifted a candy bar when she was 9. They DO have interest in felony crime convictions and other things that could be a danger to other UNITED STATES citizens and residents if she is admitted to the UNITED STATES, but nothing else.

4. Along the journey you will meet people that have NO CLUE what they are doing, talking about, or responsible for, most of those will be in various government and service jobs...Social Security is a hot bed of them...the DMV seems to be the central hive of uninformed morons, but they can be anywhere and their lack of knowledge will NEVER cause them to say "I'm not sure, let me get a supervisor" They usually just pull some advice right out of the air and hand it to you. It can happen anywhere. Be aware

Read carefully, interpret literally

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

This is what it says here: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/iv-fiancee.html

8. Applicants are required to submit police certificates (original and English translation) in ALL names (including maiden names) as well as ALL dates of birth that they have used. The police certificate must contain references to EACH place (subject to the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation) in which the applicant lives or has lived for more than six months since their 16th birthday or must indicate that the applicant’s name(s) have been checked against the central database of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD). This includes localities where applicants have lived during university studies. If the applicant was performing military service, he/she should bring the certificate from the local draft board. If an applicant has lived abroad for more than one year, a police certificate must also be submitted from the country in which he/she lived. For detailed information on how to obtain a police certificate, visit http://travel.state.gov/visa/fees/fees_3272.html.

So I thought that "each place" would mean each Oblast.

Oblasti are like "states". (singular "Oblast") Some regions, such as Moscow, St. Petersburg and Kiev are Oblasti AND cities.

Anyway, this is "boiler plate", common language used for all consulates with the names changed for the countries. Substitute "Russian" for "Ukrainian" and you have the instructions for the Kiev consulate. It does not mean that any particular instruction is even applicable for that country, it just covers all the bases

One of our sons studied in Moscow, wo he needed a certificate from Russia as well as Ukraine for his visa.

It really is no big deal at all. She will show her internal passport, give a couple passport photos and pay a small fee. We waited about 3 weeks for our sons cerificate (if I recall correctly) It is valid for a year so go whenever you are ready

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

For other members with Russian fiancees

YES, it is required for people to register addresses in Moscow, even for temporary stays, even for visits.

The offical USCIS and Consulate position on this is

WHO CARES??????!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sometimes also expressed as

SO WHAT??????!!!!!!!!

If you have a Russian fiance(e) do not lie, fill out all paperwork correctly and do not worry if she registered her address or not. It is not an issue for any UNITED STATES agency.

There is nothing an attorney can do for this, or needs to do for this.

NEVER lie or falsify information.