Ban hands and feet

[Ban Hammer 13,469]

But it is an easily available non assault weapon that could do just as much if not more damage than an assault rifle. If I'm defending my home, I'll probably chose the 12 gauge over the AR or HK, etc.

shotgun fired in the home tends to make a home repair nightmare.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

shotgun fired in the home tends to make a home repair nightmare.

Quite true, but if it came to that, I'd deal with it.

Plus it has a great intimidation factor.

Edited December 29, 2012 by spookyturtle

[james&olya 1,121]

something i find out throughout all of this discussion about "assault weapons" and so on - people are up in arms (pun intended) about the AR, claiming it's the weapon of choice for mass shootings. it may be for the uninformed, both to use and pitch a fit about.

here's something to consider: the 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot. this more than a century old firearm packs more firepower than the AR with a 30 round magazine.

first - 00 buckshot. there's usually 9 of these in a shell. that's 9 .33 caliber balls. each weighs (in this example, copper plated ones) in at 50 grains.

for comparison, the AR fires a 5.56 bullet that weighs 55 grains.

a shotgun can, with one pull of the trigger, send downrange 1.5 times the same number of projectiles held by a .32 revolver (.32 revolver fires a 85 grain bullet). if one wants to calculate the per grain weight of the projectile, that's equal to just over 8 rounds of AR ammo. most shotguns hold 5 rounds, so that's more firepower than an AR with a 30 round magazine.

and yes, there are shotguns out there that are magazine fed.

lesson concluded.

eta: Leon Czolgosz used an Iver Johnson revolver in .32 S&W to shoot President William McKinley on September 6, 1901

I guess you don't know how projectile velocity is related to 'power'! Even a very small projectile can take down large game if it could be accelerated enough. Some 'star wars' weapons being developed and brought on line use this principle to fire 'BB's at extremely high velocities to take down enemy ICBM's! Shotguns are low velocity weapons, as are most handguns. The AR 15 is a high velocity weapon. While the hole in a person may be small there is a wide cone of devitalized (dead) tissue along its path. With low velocity weapons that is not the case.

Edited December 29, 2012 by james&olya

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I guess you don't know how projectile velocity is related to 'power'! Even a very small projectile can take down large game if it could be accelerated enough. Some 'star wars' weapons being developed and brought on line use this principle to fire 'BB's at extremely high velocities to take down enemy ICBM's! Shotguns are low velocity weapons, as are most handguns. The AR 15 is a high velocity weapon. While the hole in a person may be small there is a wide cone of devitalized (dead) tissue along its path. With low velocity weapons that is not the case.

Which would you rather be shot with at close range?

[himher 634]

Kindly review this long-term study of released inmates:

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/rpr94.pdf

Maybe we DO need some other solution because allowing "frequent flyers" through the justice system isn't working at all.

According to arrest records compiled

in this study, of the 272,111 prisoners

released in 1994, 719 were rearrested

for homicide in the 13 States in 1995.

The FBI reports that the number of

adult arrests for homicide in the 13

States in 1995 was 8,521 altogether.

The released prisoners accounted for

8.4% of all the homicides in the 13

States in 1995

In other words:

8.4% of the homicides in 13 states in 1995 were committed by prisoners released in 1994.

So should we start on the ones who are already caught first, reduce homicide by that amount, then go from there?

We already incarcerate a far higher percentage of our population in prison than any other advanced democracy. Some have suggested that prisons are basically graduate school for thugs. Maybe we need some other solution!

[himher 634]

True.

The hunters safety course that is required to get a hunting license is very good

I think that most gun owners would agree with that.

[Ban Hammer 13,469]

I guess you don't know how projectile velocity is related to 'power'! Even a very small projectile can take down large game if it could be accelerated enough. Some 'star wars' weapons being developed and brought on line use this principle to fire 'BB's at extremely high velocities to take down enemy ICBM's! Shotguns are low velocity weapons, as are most handguns. The AR 15 is a high velocity weapon. While the hole in a person may be small there is a wide cone of devitalized (dead) tissue along its path. With low velocity weapons that is not the case.

your assertion about projectile velocity means zero when at close range like in these most recent shootings - shooting across a football field isn't being discussed. also, odds are one would be hit with more than one ball of the 00 buck at close range.

[himher 634]

The multiple in mass (shotgun 1350 fps / 9 x 54 grains) exceeds the multiple in velocity (rifle bullet 3150 fps/70 grain)

I guess you don't know how projectile velocity is related to 'power'! Even a very small projectile can take down large game if it could be accelerated enough. Some 'star wars' weapons being developed and brought on line use this principle to fire 'BB's at extremely high velocities to take down enemy ICBM's! Shotguns are low velocity weapons, as are most handguns. The AR 15 is a high velocity weapon. While the hole in a person may be small there is a wide cone of devitalized (dead) tissue along its path. With low velocity weapons that is not the case.

Edited December 29, 2012 by himher

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

your assertion about projectile velocity means zero when at close range like in these most recent shootings - shooting across a football field isn't being discussed. also, odds are one would be hit with more than one ball of the 00 buck at close range.

12 ga., 2-3/4" 00 "Buckshot - 1290 fps @ 3 ft. (12 pellets)

.223 Remington, 55 gr., - 3240 fps muzzle velocity, 1282 ft-lbs of kinetic energy

Since kinetic energy = 1/2 mass x (velocity)², and each 00 pellet weighs 53.8 gr., that would put the kinetic energy for each pellet around 207.8 ft-lbs of energy. If all twelve pellets hit the target, the shotshell would deliver twice the kinetic energy of one rifle round, but each rifle round would deliver six times the kinetic energy of one pellet.

Edited December 30, 2012 by The Patriot

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

All ihave heard is ban weapons that look like Hollywood weapons and restrict access. Kind of a sketchy position.

Once again why are you for banning the weapons that produce the least morbidity every year.

Are you for banning handguns ?

Go back to school, okay. It's pointless having a conversation with you.

[Darnell 8,479]

Which would you rather be shot with at close range?

A paintball gun, please.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The multiple in mass (shotgun 1350 fps / 9 x 54 grains) exceeds the multiple in velocity (rifle bullet 3150 fps/70 grain)

Did you even bother to run that through a calculator to see what the result of your gibberish equation was before you made that statement? 2.78 is not greater than 45, not to mention your understanding of physics is lacking big time.

[X Factor 1,112]

[himher 634]

That wasn't a division sign

Did you even bother to run that through a calculator to see what the result of your gibberish equation was before you made that statement? 2.78 is not greater than 45, not to mention your understanding of physics is lacking big time.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

That wasn't a division sign