Ban hands and feet

[james&olya 1,121]

No mass murders with hands or feet. Really ... without goggling Ted Bundy comes to mind, then there is the Boston Strangler . The Hillside strangler. I am sure I could come up with many more..

Once again the facts escape you .

Really? They were able to murder multiple victims within minutes? Who is it that lives in a fact-poor environment here?!!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You were SAFE because AMERICANS holding guns believed that you should be safe and put their lives on the line to ensure it.

Don't flatter yourself. That's not where I grew up. You could have figured that out, of course, from my earlier post.

Edited December 29, 2012 by Mr. Big Dog

[himher 634]

Far many more lives were sacrificed on the alter of those who trusted their own governments for protection and security

Many lives have already been sacrificed on the altar of those who worship the 2nd amendment and many more will join them before we control this cancer, if we are even ever able to do so!

I am not interested in where you grew up. I am just pointing out that your choice of "peers to model ourselves after" was perhaps not the best choice and your "safe" schools came at the price of men who carried guns and made them safe for you

Don't flatter yourself. That's not where I grew up. You could have figured that out, of course, from my earlier post.

ditto

But when I went to school here it was extremely safe and you could buy a gun just by showing your drivers license.

[james&olya 1,121]

Hey, does it strike you as odd that when Gabby Giffords was gunned down...Obama said nothing? When dozens of people were killed in a theatre, Obama said nothing? When more were killed in a shopping mall...Obama said nothing and NOW, after the election, he says something? Are you making a connection here?

The only thing odd here is that you are completely, totally, 100% wrong on this! Yes, the connection becomes clear!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Vermont is consistentlay the state with the lowest crime rate.

That's a LIE. The state with the lowest crime rate is Maine.

Vermont is, actually, the safest political subdivision in the western hemisphere which is larger than a zip code.

Just based on the above, that's another LIE.

[himher 634]

Kindly dont mistake trivializing you and your views that gun control ensures safety for trivializing a tragedy

Nope, one of the gun nuts dug it up in what may have been a poor attempt to trivialize what happened at Sandy Hook.

In his own words: "M1 Abrams tank along with Stinger missiles"

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You can promise me the moon. It still will not make you right! When that brave principal and the other woman there lunged for this gunman their chances of successfully reaching him and disarming him would have been substantially improved if he was trying to change magazines. Saying otherwise is pure RWNJ BS and if you have any brains at all you know it is true!!

LOL You folks are off the chain. So you think a non trained teacher could lunge at a young man with 3 weapons who is taking 2-3 seconds to reload and they might have a chance . You do know at some point he will have to reload a 30 round mag also. That is just insane.. That would not slow him down at all. Once again the ramblings of someone who does not understand tactics or weapons, but is running on emotion. .

Some of you with training and experience chime in on this idiotic statement please.

Tell you what would have "possibly" made a difference. Maybe that principal had some training and was packing a small frame glock and knew how to use it.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I am just pointing out that your ... your "safe" schools came at the price of men who carried guns and made them safe for you.

That's not the case. In your fantasy world, the only way to achieve safety is at the barrel of a gun. That's a false and rather sick view of the world.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Many lives have already been sacrificed on the altar of those who worship the 2nd amendment and many more will join them before we control this cancer, if we are even ever able to do so!

The lives are sacrificed because of people that refuse to do what is needed. People that use such tradegy as a means to a political agenda.

People for whom the answer is a ban on the future manufacture of cosmetic add ons to firearms. BAN FLASHIDERS! BAN BAYONET LUGS!, BAN LASER SIGHTS...anything else? BAN HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES! Make him change mags every 10 shots! BAN PISTOL GRIPS ON RIFLES! BAN ACCESSORY RAILS...god forbid someone attaches a FLASHLIGHT to the rifle! How many of these children were killed by a bayonet? Yet THAT is what you propose to ban? The attachment point for a bayonet? Seriously James, you are far beyond this right? I expect such nonsense from some others, but YOU? I am a bit shocked.

You know that a police officer in every school would end this nonsense, police officers ALWAYS end this nonsense, so why should our children have to wait for them to arrive? Would it be better than banning carrying handles on rifles? More effective maybe?

Would it be worth it? One lawyer has sued for $100 million already in the most recent case. How many police officers can you pay for with that? If our government could bring back those children for $100 million, would they? For $1 billion? For $10 billion? I would. I would volutarily pay an increased tax to prevent that from happening again. Would you?

That's not the case. In your fantasy world, the only way to achieve safety is at the barrel of a gun. That's a false and rather sick view of the world.

Works in the United States of America except where there are "gun free zones"

[james&olya 1,121]

I'd say a lot of the low crime rate in Vermont has a lot to due with the population of the state. Vermont has less than a million people, one of the least populated states in the country. There are a few exceptions like Alaska, which has a very high crime rate for it's population, but for the most part crime rates increase and decrease with popultaion. There's a lot to be said for space.

Alaska may not be such an exception. When I lived there it surprised me to find that only a very tiny percentage of the land is available for development! A building lot there was far more expensive than the acreage available almost everywhere else I have ever lived. As a consequence the population gets highly concentrated in a few small locations with vast areas with zero residents or roads!

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You have trouble with reading comprehension? How did you get what you say there out of what I said?

Oh I don't know maybe because you said this I think the below sentence says banning assault weapons is the least of the worries. Maybe it is you that can't understand what words mean.

Mr. Big Dog--"Why are you all hung up on that assault weapons ban discussion? That's the least of the worries. Preventing access to firearms - all firearms - to people who should not have such access is what the issue is. THAT is what needs to happen."

Perhaps your problem grasping this is that you are unable to see or acknowledge that we are dealing with more than a single problem. Handgun violence is also a real issue but just because more deaths in total are attributed to their use that does not mean assault weapons are not also a problem! So stop using the article 'the' and replace it with 'a'.

Perhaps you might want to figure out a solution to the handgun violence problem! No? That somehow does not surprise me!!!

So your advocating banning handguns also.. Is that what you are saying ?

The only thing odd here is that you are completely, totally, 100% wrong on this! Yes, the connection becomes clear!

So they were calling for a ban on assault weapon after the tragedies before the elections ?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

That's a LIE. The state with the lowest crime rate is Maine.

Just based on the above, that's another LIE.

"Consistently" means multiple years, on an ongoing basis. We occasionally switch back and forth from 49th to 50th in overall crime rate ranking. Show me another state consistently at the bottom of the crime rankings. also compare categories of major crime.

You like to post stats, why not this one?

You have already said that the United States is irrelevent (Vermont IS in the United States) so what difference does it make if it is a lie? Why would you even answer anything regarding the United States?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Really? They were able to murder multiple victims within minutes? Who is it that lives in a fact-poor environment here?!!

I already said in two other posts that I had used the terms Mass Murder and serial Murder interchangeably and I was mistaken.. Did you hear the Japs bombed Pearl harbor. LOL

If someone strangles 40 people over 6 months or kills 40 in one day 40 are still dead right. If 500 people are killed mostly by illegally owned handguns every year, but less than 200 are killed nationwide every year by assualt wepons.

Once again why are you LWNJ's screaming about banning assault weapons. Your attacking the least lethal end of the problem. WHY?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

The only thing odd here is that you are completely, totally, 100% wrong on this! Yes, the connection becomes clear!

How am I wrong. For that matter I am still not wrong. And you know it, James. Maybe no one else here grasps it, but I am sure you do.

The political makeup of this session of congress will not provide for the passage of federal firearms laws. Obama gave Biden something to keep him busy at the children's table while the adults that can speak English without babbling can address other things.

Any such proposals are DOA in congress. The Dems need to get control of both houses AND the Presidency in order to do this and THEN they will lose it (like they did in 1994) That is not possible before 2014. Actually 2015, and then they would have to willingly risk losing both AND the Presidency in 2016.

This IS politics James, and you ARE expecting politicians that have to stand for election every two years to do this for you. It cannot possibly occur before the Congressional session beginning in 2017.

We COULD however, have police officers in our schools before then.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

But when I went to school here it was extremely safe and you could buy a gun just by showing your drivers license.

In the United States, in Vermont, where you can STILL buy a gun by showing your drivers license, then load it and put it in your pocket as you walk out of the store, it is STILL very safe.