NRA Leader Wayne LaPierre's Much-Criticized Sandy Hook Speech Was Actually Quite Effective

[himher 634]

I do not believe the cost would be or should be as high as we think

You're kidding about the armed personnel right? It works in the schools in the middle east. It works in banks. It works in government buildings. It works for government officials, the same officials who are feeding you the garbage that it is too expensive and won't work. There is no evidence that armed persons at school prevent violence because there never has been an incident at a school with armed personnel on campus. Or wait, could that be a data point?

Take ALL the guns off the streets and just you watch what happens. The streets that we do have that are safe are safe because someone, public or private, keeps them safe and it is done, whether we believe it is a good thing or a bad thing across the barrel of a gun

I saw that story. Guy grabs a gun in a police station and starts shooting. Score: Shooter zero and cops (thankfully) tagged him. Good for them. One less criminal on the streets who can ever misuse a gun. I call that...a start? LOL

so now there will be no cost involved in this effort - all volunteer? doubtful.

why not look into this? because there's no evidence that armed personnel in schools prevents mass shootings from occurring. there is evidence that such a program would be a multitude of accidents waiting to happen. just today there were three cops shot in nj when a guy got a hold of a cops gun and started shooting - in the friggin police station. one gun in an elementary school is one gun too many. the ends don't justify the means.

[himher 634]

I didnt even get to taking guns sport. I stopped my ridiculing at the idea of the feds enforcing the laws they are tasked to enforce today and at the feds "getting" the people they are out to get today - LOL

You guys otherwise "LOL" at every opportunity to use dead children to further your agendas. As you are "LOLing" at Waco. Waco was a tragedy and if you call that a law enforcement success you seriously need to have your head examined

You ridiculed the idea that the feds could come and confiscate your guns - you being in texas and all. The last guy in Texas that thought like you did about the feds confiscating his guns ain't around no more. His guns are gone. As is he. Lol about that. I do.

Edited December 29, 2012 by himher

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I didnt even get to taking guns sport. I stopped my ridiculing at the idea of the feds enforcing the laws they are tasked to enforce today and at the feds "getting" the people they are out to get today - LOL

Well, that's not what you said. Changing stories as you lose the argument? That's what I expected.

You guys otherwise "LOL" at every opportunity to use dead children to further your agendas.

These kids are dead because of the idiocy of a gun nut. For no other reason.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

yes. movies are the example for real life. come on man..

I am pretty sure I was not serious. I know it's hard to tell when we swap to humor at a moments notice, but it was a long day and I needed a laugh

[himher 634]

There is nothing to win in this discussion sport. Am I changing stories??? LOL

If so it would be quite easy to scroll up and do some cutting and pasting to demonstrate that

Those kids are dead because the public system that they were entrusted to failed to ensure and protect their safety

Well, that's not what you said. Changing stories as you lose the argument? That's what I expected.

These kids are dead because of the idiocy of a gun nut. For no other reason.

Edited December 29, 2012 by himher

[decocker 7,198]

You're kidding about the armed personnel right? It works in the schools in the middle east.

do you think we should stop at the schools? i mean what about on the buses? what about at the bus stop? should you only enlist the services of a teenage babysitter if they have a weapon?

where does it end?

and yes..please tell me how we should become more like the countries we've been bombing the ####### out of for years without end.

Edited December 29, 2012 by val erie

[himher 634]

What about it? I worked down in New Orleans after Katrina after the national guard flew back and took charge.

Those were local boys and they were pretty cool. New Orleans was SAFE. So what about it?

You want the people disarmed but are afraid of security on the streets called for by armed people. #######?

do you think we should stop at the schools? i mean what about on the buses? what about at the bus stop? should you only enlist the services of a teenage babysitter if they have a weapon?

where does it end?

and yes..please tell me how we should become more like the countries we've been bombing the ####### out of for years without end.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Careful there with the swipes bordering on personal attacks, buddy. You've slipped once already in this thread and that better not happen again. I understand that civility might be an odd concept for folks living in the alternate universe where more guns translate to mare safety but you'll just have to try a bit harder.

As toy the question, yes, that is Texas Bullshite because your questions stop short of asking the really relevant question as to the cause of all these armed security personnel everywhere. There is chemotherapy because it helps fight cancer that's already there. And yet, we're doing a lot of research to find ways to prevent cancer. Ways that do not involve chemotherapy because while chemo helps fight a cancer that has already developed, it is horribly invasive and not what you'd expose anyone to for cancer prevention. Irresponsible and insane gun proliferation is a deadly cancer in this country and the armed security everywhere is the chemotherapy of which there never seems to be enough. It eats away at the nation, takes the juice out of the country and severely impacts the quality of life in America in a very negative way. Some call for more chemo. That would be you and other gun nuts along with your bloody NRA. I want to prevent the cancer from growing.

Edited December 31, 2012 by Kathryn41
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[decocker 7,198]

What about it? I worked down in New Orleans after Katrina after the national guard flew back and took charge.

Those were local boys and they were pretty cool. New Orleans was SAFE. So what about it?

You want the people disarmed but are afraid of security on the streets called for by armed people. #######?

new orleans was safe? remember those cops that killed needlessly in the days following katrina? i can't believe you just touted that humanitarian debacle.. comparing the aftermath of a natural disaster with every day elementary school attendance? what planet do you live on..

i don't want 'the people' disarmed. where did i say that? and i have to say, i'm not 'afraid of security on the streets called for by armed people' because i don't know ####### you are trying to say..

i don't want armed personnel in elementary schools. i don't want to further the acceptance of gun culture in this country by indoctrinating kids with the concept that it's okay and normal to be surrounded by people with guns at all times and that is the only way to be safe. - because that isn't true. i grew up in a home without a gun. never any guns or cops in any of the schools i attended. my grandfather had guns locked in a cabinet with the bullets locked away elsewhere. if he even saw us looking through the glass for too long at his guns he would tell us to run along, go be kids. he was an marine and new the horror of violence.. it wasn't something he wanted us exposed to. he had the right idea.

[decocker 7,198]

We want the schools guarded. Let's see who wins LOL

who's we? anyway it really isn't a win or lose type of battle. my son is in elementary school and there has yet to be an uproar of parents calling for armed personnel and i doubt there will be.

you might want to go easy on the LOLs - unless you're under the age of fourteen..

[himher 634]

Do you and your pal comment on how strangers on the internet speak to compensate for the lack of substance in your message?

The logic of those who believe their assets should be secured by armed force but their children should not is so ludicrous that it approaches funny.

How best to secure schools if not to follow the same method as securing any other site that are deemed important? This is the unanswered question in front of you.

Banning assault rifles to prevent a kid who was also carrying two semiautomatic handguns from killing people is a funny joke. You won't discuss harsh measures to keep people who harm other people away from not guns but away from other people so measures to protect innocent people from people who harm other people have to be put on the table.

The topic at hand is a speech about providing school security and some option will need to be selected. You are however correct in that you have lost nothing if your local school ends up guarded.

who's we? anyway it really isn't a win or lose type of battle. my son is in elementary school and there has yet to be an uproar of parents calling for armed personnel and i doubt there will be.

you might want to go easy on the LOLs - unless you're under the age of fourteen..

Edited December 29, 2012 by himher

[decocker 7,198]

Do you and your pal comment on how strangers on the internet speak to compensate for the lack of substance in your message?

The logic of those who believe their assets should be secured by armed force but their children should not is so ludicrous that it approaches funny.

How best to secure schools if not to follow the same method as securing any other site that are deemed important? This is the unanswered question in front of you.

Banning assault rifles to prevent a kid who was also carrying two semiautomatic handguns from killing people is a funny joke. You won't discuss harsh measures to keep people who harm other people away from not guns but away from other people so measures to protect innocent people from people who harm other people have to be put on the table.

The topic at hand is a speech about providing school security and some option will need to be selected. You are however correct in that you have lost nothing if your local school ends up guarded.

who is my pal? reading LOL from adults is a pet peeve of mine, but hey, some can't stand that i type without using caps.

it isn't funny, some of us are weary of the call for more guns as instead of looking at resolutions outside of guns.

i will say, again, i don't particularly see banning particular types of guns doing any good. i keep saying this and yet you can't seem to digest it.

commenting on the topic at hand, fortunately there are many parents who understand the complexity of the problem with schools and mass shootings. i've spoken with parents - my peers- who do not want more guns around their children and desire to instead look for a reasonable balance between security and freedom - which is something all americans should take much more seriously than a knee jerk 'MORE GUNS!! ITS THE ONLY WAY'

[james&olya 1,121]

I suggest you watch Red Dawn, the original version,

Almost as real as faux news!

[Kathryn41 3,205]

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[Kathryn41 3,205]

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