Blair County Shooting: 4 Dead And 3 Pennsylvania Troopers Injured

[Penny Lane 8,159]

It's called a "right" for a reason.

Convicted felons made their choice. Pay the consequences.

Just because it's a right doesn't mean there aren't rules that go along with it.

Edited December 21, 2012 by Evylin

[scotinmass 588]

It's called a "right" for a reason.

So if Mark Chapman ever makes parole he should have the "right" to own a gun?

Next time I hope it's Beiber!

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Convicted felons made their choice. Pay the consequences.

Just because it's a right doesn't mean there aren't rules that go along with it.

If there are rule that go a long with it, then it's not a 'right' at all. Stop and think about what you said.

The constitution doesn't say "if you break other law X, then you can lose a constitutional 'right' by default."

If you can take a right from someone for a reason that's made up to appease a few, then you can take away all rights from everyone for any reason imaginable.

As George Carlin put it go greatly: """"Now if you think you do have rights, one last assignment for you. Next time youre at the computer, get on the Internet, go to Wikipedia. When you get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, I want you to type in Japanese Americans 1942″ and youll find out all about your precious fvcking rights, Okay? All right. You know about it. In 1942, there were 110,000 Japanese American citizens in good standing, law-abiding people who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. Thats all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had: Right this way into the internment camps! Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most, their government took them away! And rights arent rights if someone can take them away. Theyre privileges. Thats all weve ever had in this country, is a bill of temporary privileges. And if you read the news even badly, you know that every year the list gets shorter and shorter. You see all, sooner or later. Sooner or later, the people in this country are gonna realize the government does not give a ** about them! The government doesnt care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. It simply does not give a ** about you! Its interested in its own power. Thats the only thing. Keeping it and expanding it wherever possible.

Personally, when it comes to rights, I think one of two things is true. I think either we have unlimited rights, or we have no rights at all. Personally I lean towards unlimited rights, I feel for instance I have the right to do anything I please, BUT! If I do something you dont like I think you have the right to kill me. So where are you gonna find a fairer fvcking deal than that? So the next time some ** says to you I have the right to my opinion. You say, oh yeah? Well I have the right to my opinion and my opinion is you have no right to your opinion! then shoot the ** and walk away…""""

Edited December 21, 2012 by Obama 2012

[Penny Lane 8,159]

If there are rule that go a long with it, then it's not a 'right' at all. Stop and think about what you said.

The constitution doesn't say "if you break other law X, then you can lose a constitutional 'right' by default."

You have the right to the freedom of speech but there are rules that go along with it, no? I can't literally say whatever I want where I want, can I? Not without consequences.

[scotinmass 588]

If there are rule that go a long with it, then it's not a 'right' at all. Stop and think about what you said.

The constitution doesn't say "if you break other law X, then you can lose a constitutional 'right' by default."

If you can take a right from someone for a reason that's made up to appease a few, then you can take away all rights from everyone for any reason imaginable.

As George Carlin put it go greatly: """"Now if you think you do have rights, one last assignment for you. Next time you’re at the computer, get on the Internet, go to Wikipedia. When you get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, I want you to type in “Japanese Americans 1942″ and you’ll find out all about your precious fvcking rights, Okay? All right. You know about it. In 1942, there were 110,000 Japanese American citizens in good standing, law-abiding people who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. That’s all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had: “Right this way” into the internment camps! Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most, their government took them away! And rights aren’t rights if someone can take them away. They’re privileges. That’s all we’ve ever had in this country, is a bill of temporary privileges. And if you read the news even badly, you know that every year the list gets shorter and shorter. You see all, sooner or later. Sooner or later, the people in this country are gonna realize the government does not give a ** about them! The government doesn’t care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. It simply does not give a ** about you! It’s interested in its own power. That’s the only thing. Keeping it and expanding it wherever possible.

Personally, when it comes to rights, I think one of two things is true. I think either we have unlimited rights, or we have no rights at all. Personally I lean towards unlimited rights, I feel for instance I have the right to do anything I please, BUT! If I do something you don’t like I think you have the right to kill me. So where are you gonna find a fairer fvcking deal than that? So the next time some ** says to you “I have the right to my opinion.” You say, “oh yeah? Well I have the right to my opinion and my opinion is you have no right to your opinion!” then shoot the ** and walk away…""""

So if Charlie Manson moved in next door to you it wouldn't bother you if he sat on his front porch polishing his rifles?

That would be his right.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

You have the right to the freedom of speech but there are rules that go along with it, no? I can't literally say whatever I want where I want, can I? Not without consequences.

There is no 'freedom of speech' in the way people define it. There's freedom of political speech. Meaning you are free to protest the government and they cannot censor you from doing so. You can say what you want, to whomever you want to in the political arena. That doens't give you the right to stand in a cemetery and curse people at a funeral, etc.. The first amendment is pretty clear on what it protects.

So if Charlie Manson moved in next door to you it wouldn't bother you if he sat on his front porch polishing his rifles?

That would be his right.

See, that's the thing. It doesn't matter if it would bother me or not.

The moment that someone is released from prison, the moment they have paid their dues, the moment that it was decided they can re-join society without being executed, and as long as they are considered a US Citizen, then the rights drafted in the constitution include them as well.

[scotinmass 588]

There is no 'freedom of speech' in the way people define it. There's freedom of political speech. Meaning you are free to protest the government and they cannot censor you from doing so. You can say what you want, to whomever you want to in the political arena. That doens't give you the right to stand in a cemetery and curse people at a funeral, etc.. The first amendment is pretty clear on what it protects.

See, that's the thing. It doesn't matter if it would bother me or not.

The moment that someone is released from prison, the moment they have paid their dues, the moment that it was decided they can re-join society without being executed, and as long as they are considered a US Citizen, then the rights drafted in the constitution include them as well.

What about resident aliens? Don't all these wonderful rights apply to us?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

What about resident aliens? Don't all these wonderful rights apply to us?

Technically yes.

There are very few laws that only apply only to US Citizens.

[scotinmass 588]

Technically yes.

There are very few laws that only apply only to US Citizens.

Good. I better go get some guns.

And tinfoil.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Good. I better go get some guns.

And tinfoil.

I'm sure the Jews wished they had tinfoil. Might of protected them from their fellow citizens who helped terrorize and kill them.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There is no 'freedom of speech' in the way people define it. There's freedom of political speech.

Because you say so? The Constitution states that

Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech...

Not political speech but speech. So if that is only political speech although the Constitution clearly does not make that reference, then I am gonna stand here and say that the second amendment really only refers to sling shots when talking about the right to keep and bear arms. That would be just as sound a n argument as you present here.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Because you say so? The Constitution states that

Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech...

Not political speech but speech. So if that is only political speech although the Constitution clearly does not make that reference, then I am gonna stand here and say that the second amendment really only refers to sling shots when talking about the right to keep and bear arms. That would be just as sound a n argument as you present here.

Context of why the law was written. I know this is hard for you to grasp (just like the second amendment is), but try to open your eyes beyond the BS of making things up as you go.

Edited December 21, 2012 by Obama 2012

[Dakine10 5,452]

If there are rule that go a long with it, then it's not a 'right' at all. Stop and think about what you said.

The second amendment gives "the people" the right to bear arms. Congress shall not infringe on "the people". The individual - that's a different story.

You already know that there are "rules" that can restrict people from having guns. When you're just posting your belief, rather than facts, it's customary to say "I think" or "I believe". It avoids a lot of confusion.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Context of why the law was written. I know this is hard for you to grasp (just like the second amendment is), but try to open your eyes beyond the BS of making things up as you go.

So, interpretation of the actual text, then? But only when it pleases you. Do you actually believe the bullshite you post?

[PMartin37 161]

If we allowed concealed carry of hand grenades, we would no longer have to worry about all these tragedies involving firearms.

I think the NRA is working on that now. After they shoo all this needless gun control legislation nonsense out of the way.