Mandate Gunowners Purchase Firearms Liability Insurance

[Dakine10 5,452]

Dude. You have NO RIGHT to own a car....

Exactly. Because there were no cars in the 18th century. Our bill of rights comes from the 18th century. Obviously it's going to revolve around issues that were important to the 18th century. That's why the founding fathers spoke so strongly about the need for the constitution to evolve with the times. The intent of the constitution was not to keep people living in the past.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

you don't get to decide what 'reason' anybody does anything. check you. idk who you think you are. but, you ain't him. your opinion is no more valid than mine.

I value all opinions, all I asked is why do you need to have an AK or AR in your home. Do you live in a war zone? Are you in a gang infested neighborhood? Are the zombies coming? It's your right to own one, but if they reopen the ban on assault rifles, what will be the consequences?

I have been nothing but respectful on here, even at times when most folks get mad and say some hateful stuff that would get you banned.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I have a right to own a car. So I don't have to pay for it? I don't have to insure it? Your argument fails!

No owning car is a privilege that can be revoked if you do stupid shat and do not act responsibly. same thing with guns. However with guns it is a basic guaranteed freedom under the bill of rights. No so with Automobiles.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I value all opinions, all I asked is why do you need to have an AK or AR in your home. Do you live in a war zone? Are you in a gang infested neighborhood? Are the zombies coming? It's your right to own one, but if they reopen the ban on assault rifles, what will be the consequences?

I have been nothing but respectful on here, even at times when most folks get mad and say some hateful stuff that would get you banned.

I will agree that most of the time you do act decent.

However why i have what type of weapon is my business. Why do you care if I have an AK-47. What makes it more dangerous than my two 10 round clip Glock's ? For that matter more dangerous than my 7 round mossberg with 00 buck ?

[decocker 7,198]

Are you responsible if someone steals your car and runs someone over? What if someone steals your household cleaning supplies to make a bomb? What if someone lights your house on fire and it catches the neighbors' house as well? As I said before, typically you are not responsible for crimes committed using your property if you didn't give consent, had no knowledge of those crimes, and were not negligent. Guns should be no different.

i'm not talking about being responsible after the fact. i'm talking about being responsible as a premise. do you consider yourself a responsible gun owner? are you against people misusing guns, stealing guns, or in some other way negating your own personal efforts toward responsibility?

[Teddy B 17,252]

I will agree that most of the time you do act decent.

However why i have what type of weapon is my business. Why do you care if I have an AK-47. What makes it more dangerous than my two 10 round clip Glock's ? For that matter more dangerous than my 7 round mossberg with 00 buck ?

No, actually it's everyone's business, which is why you are required by law to register it.

[Harsh_77 718]

no, but i would expect a responsible gun owner to be able to reassess the controls we have in light of these new trends and be able to bring meaningful suggestions on how we can improve the controls already in place.

a person who drinks alcohol doesn't condone drunk driving deaths but a responsible drinker understands that certain controls are in place to monitor those who make poor decisions. it's a matter of being a responsible adult and accepting that you live in a free country.

to adamantly deny that there's anything positive that can come out of further gun control without punishing responsible gun owners is a cop out. it's lazy. and irresponsible.

Exactly my post was to a response to another post which said gun owners should be responsible for the killings.

Which I do not agree, I am not saying gun owners should not be a responsible person but in no way they are responsible for this senseless killing by crazy ppl.

[Harsh_77 718]

No, actually it's everyone's business, which is why you are required by law to register it.

Registering is different most legal gun owners have their weapon registered but restricting to make a purchase is different thing.

[DaveE 178]

How do you indentify firearms owners? There is no Federal record or registry, and currently illegal to establish one. "It’s impossible to know for certain how many guns are in private hands because there is no central firearms registry. The 1986 McClure-Volkmer Act forbids the federal government from establishing any “system of registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearms transactions or distribution.” And the 1993 Brady Act prohibits the establishment of any electronic registry of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions."

Most of the people I know would not even answer the question as to firearms ownership if asked. Remember, there are probably than 300 million firearms in private hands, and since the tragedy in CT, probably another million have been sold.

An interesting article from NBC a couple days ago. NBC News

[decocker 7,198]

Exactly my post was to a response to another post which said gun owners should be responsible for the killings.

Which I do not agree, I am not saying gun owners should not be a responsible person but in no way they are responsible for this senseless killing by crazy ppl.

your response was to me and i wasn't arguing that gun owners should be held responsible for a murder they didn't commit.

question, say your neighbor's child somehow gets access to your completely locked away guns and goes on a spree, killing others and then themselves. would you not feel a bit of responsibility toward those needless deaths because it was your gun that was used? i would think that such associations are natural...

Edited December 20, 2012 by val erie

[Harsh_77 718]

How do you indentify firearms owners? There is no Federal record or registry, and currently illegal to establish one. "It’s impossible to know for certain how many guns are in private hands because there is no central firearms registry. The 1986 McClure-Volkmer Act forbids the federal government from establishing any “system of registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearms transactions or distribution.” And the 1993 Brady Act prohibits the establishment of any electronic registry of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions."

Most of the people I know would not even answer the question as to firearms ownership if asked. Remember, there are probably than 300 million firearms in private hands, and since the tragedy in CT, probably another million have been sold.

An interesting article from NBC a couple days ago. NBC News

When a gun is purchased thru a dealer weapon is registered in purchaser’s name.

They do have a record what you have purchased in past, how many you have purchased etc.

[Nina~ 431]

Thread closed for review.

I have reopened the topic after removing some posts violating TOS. Please be civil to avoid further admin action.

Edited December 20, 2012 by Nina~

[SMOKE 1,426]

No, actually it's everyone's business, which is why you are required by law to register it.

no, he is not required to register it. the seller is and that registration happens automatically during the backround check. but, that would be another acceptable change to current gun laws.

Edited December 20, 2012 by SMOKE

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Exactly. Because there were no cars in the 18th century. Our bill of rights comes from the 18th century. Obviously it's going to revolve around issues that were important to the 18th century. That's why the founding fathers spoke so strongly about the need for the constitution to evolve with the times. The intent of the constitution was not to keep people living in the past.

Again, tell me which part of the constitution doesn't apply today. The constitution was written well enough to survive the test of time, and be modified when necessary but it's VERY difficult to do.

No, actually it's everyone's business, which is why you are required by law to register it.

It's not everyone's business. Gun registry laws completely defeat the purpose and intent of the second amendment. The government doesn't need to know what you are packing.

[DaveE 178]

When a gun is purchased thru a dealer weapon is registered in purchaser’s name.

They do have a record what you have purchased in past, how many you have purchased etc.

That is just not true. Until two years ago I had an FFL. The Federal NICS check only asks if you are running the check for a possible handgun or longun purchase. The NICS check does not even indicate that you actually purchased a firearm. You can get a NICS "proceed", and then the customer change his mind. The only documentation as to make, model, and serial number is on the Form 4473 which does not go to the Federal government. There are states that require registration, but not the Federal government.

The only data that goes into NICS is:

Name

Place of Birth

Height/Weight/Gender

Date of Birth

SSN (Optional)

UPIN (If they have one)

Race

State of Residence

Citizenship

Misc PRefix

The only info on the gun are 3 checkboxes, I can choose 1, 2 or all three of them.

They are:

Purpose ID

Sale of Handgun

Sale of Longun

Sale of Other