Mandate Gunowners Purchase Firearms Liability Insurance

[SMOKE 1,426]

Sure after you quoted my 180 response to someone else.

Your opinion is noted. I want to remind you that anyone who thinks only one party is trying to do this is living in fairy land. Go give your gun a big hug now. When 2 parties can't compromise on a single issue in 4 years, that means they are both trying to dictate.

You've been trying to dry hump my leg throwing one liners at me for a week now. Did you think I wouldn't start to return the favor?

This discussion is about gun control & insurance. Try to focus on the topic & don't let the dims failures during the Obama presidency cloud every discussion.

[Dakine10 5,452]

You've been trying to dry hump my leg throwing one liners at me for a week now. Did you think I wouldn't start to return the favor?

You must have me confused with some else, Chuckie.

I called you on your fake chart about firearm homicides. That was 2 posts. Otherwise I can't even remember the last time I quoted anything of yours. It's not that interesting.

[SMOKE 1,426]

You must have me confused with some else, Chuckie.

I called you on your fake chart about firearm homicides. That was 2 posts. Otherwise I can't even remember the last time I quoted anything of yours. It's not that interesting.

Don't be a tease & start playing hard to get now. You know you've been looking for me around the forum. I'm gonna leave Stevens thread now. But, I'll be sure to let you know when I log in. That way you won't have to look for me.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Don't be a tease & start playing hard to get now. You know you've been looking for me around the forum. I'm gonna leave Stevens thread now. But, I'll be sure to let you know when I log in. That way you won't have to look for me.

[james&olya 1,121]

No owning car is a privilege that can be revoked if you do stupid shat and do not act responsibly. same thing with guns. However with guns it is a basic guaranteed freedom under the bill of rights. No so with Automobiles.

Sorry to have been off of here and missed all this great argument. Gotta respond here. What is your basis for saying I do not have a right to own a car and that the 'privilege' can be revoked? Who has ever had their privilege to own a car revoked? Show me a statute or case law that supports your point! Driving a car on public roads, yes, that privilege can be revoked. But being able to buy goods legally for sale for my own enjoyment IS a right under the category of 'pursuit of happiness' at least!

Gun ownership, on the other hand, CAN be revoked! Felons and some mentally ill are not allowed, in most jurisdictions, to even own guns! Why are you pro 2nd amendment folks not being consistent and arguing that, based on the constitution, government cannot even take away that right from felons and the mentally ill? There is no mention of any exclusions of any category of citizens from that 2nd amendment right!

The answer is that if the 2nd amendment were interpreted that way it would get reversed by a subsequent constitutional amendment. Actually there is a huge amount of 'wiggle' room because of those two words in the 2nd amendment "well-regulated"! And the same thinking gives government the right to regulate what kind of guns and accessories can be sold. Government has long not allowed private ownership of fully automatic weapons. The same principle can easily be expanded to include all 'sem-automatic' weapons. Perhaps that is coming!

[james&olya 1,121]

Good luck on that. Last time I came into the forum was after the Aurora shootings only to get exhausted trying to conduct some sort of sane discussion about limiting availability of assault weapons and stockpiling ammo. I decided to sit it out and see what the gun freaks would say after the NEXT mass killing. Little did I realize it would be so very soon and EVEN worse than the previous one. Well, I for one, am not content to sit it out again ...and I don't think after this the public interest will wane as you say. And I know a number of teachers already personally who think the idea of teachers carrying weapons in the classroom is absolutely ridiculous. While we are waiting for the change to occur, I'll continue to watch the tally of people killed by gun violence even while "the good people with guns" continue on buying in mass quantities. The tide is turning and the majority of the American public are feeling victimized not so much by the people with guns that kill people, but with the people that will fight tooth and nail to put their guns in the hands of killers.

I think you are right about that. This shooting really strikes a nerve with many people. I don't believe in 'karma' but it is really quite interesting to find out that Newtown is where a major gun manufacturers association is based that has aggressively promoted private ownership of these most lethal assault rifles. It has been reported that many of their employees have family or neighbor connections with the victims families.

[james&olya 1,121]

I wonder what is it about liberal leftists and their obsession from profiting some way, either financially or politically, from a gun tragedy

This liberal leftist seeks only to profit in knowing I have done what I can to keep my own family as well as fellow citizen's families safe from the kind of mayhem as seen in Sandy Hook!!!

[james&olya 1,121]

Funny that. I haven't seen the Republicans trying to mess with the Constitution and I don't see the Republicans making law after law after law after after law. No Republicans banning anything that Iv'e seen. LWN's need new laws for every thing. It's like they can't make enough new laws to satisfy themselves. Of course all these laws cost and maybe that's why they like to tax, tax, tax. Someone has to pay the tab for Socialism.

(abortion)

[james&olya 1,121]

I can't believe that in 13 pages of posts nobody has taken this where it should go. Make gun manufacturers liable! Any other product that caused so many injuries and fatalities would bankrupt the manufacturers in liability lawsuits. And it does matter how these products are marketed and sold. Just ask drug manufacturers.

It is technologically quite feasible to equip firearms with devices that recognize the person holding the weapon and will not fire if an un-authorized person has obtained the weapon. Make gun manufacturers accept this technology by refusing to exempt them from liability for the use of their products by those not registered and authorized. This would be very effective and would not trample anybody's 2nd amendment rights! Gradually extend these requirements to include liability for any current owner who does not retrofit existing weapons, especially when they are being sold. Something similar to this is being done concerning lead paint in houses so why not with firearms? I know gun lovers would hate this sort of thing but a solution that works must be found! It is not reasonable that we must continue to sacrifice our children on the altar of the 2nd amendment!!

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I can't believe that in 13 pages of posts nobody has taken this where it should go. Make gun manufacturers liable! Any other product that caused so many injuries and fatalities would bankrupt the manufacturers in liability lawsuits. And it does matter how these products are marketed and sold. Just ask drug manufacturers.

There have been a few attempts at this. One I can think of was settled out court, but generally courts are not interested because it will set a precedent over other products. George Miller tried this and failed.

Edited December 24, 2012 by Usui Takumi

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I can't believe that in 13 pages of posts nobody has taken this where it should go. Make gun manufacturers liable!

They already are, to a certain extent. However, taking tobacco as an example, it is much more credible to think tobacco companies have been misrepresenting their products, even manipulating the products, to create an addiction, and marketing directly to minors. That would be a hard argument to make toward firearms. You could make a better case that the media and game creators are doing a much better job of creating a culture of violence. There would be a better target for some sort of deliberate cause and effect.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

This liberal leftist seeks only to profit in knowing I have done what I can to keep my own family as well as fellow citizen's families safe from the kind of mayhem as seen in Sandy Hook!!!

You should give Canada a shot. They have super strict gun laws and they suck up to the UK who are also anti gun.

[james&olya 1,121]

You should give Canada a shot. They have super strict gun laws and they suck up to the UK who are also anti gun.

Canada is a great country in many ways. They even know how to speak properly, eh?

[james&olya 1,121]

There have been a few attempts at this. One I can think of was settled out court, but generally courts are not interested because it will set a precedent over other products. George Miller tried this and failed.

Yes, under existing law they have managed to duck liability. So change the laws specifically where guns and their manufacturers and owners are concerned! Just like requiring seatbelts and air-bags being installed on cars! But give the manufacturers the option of finding other solutions that accomplish the same objective and make product liability the enforcement mechanism.

[james&olya 1,121]

They already are, to a certain extent. However, taking tobacco as an example, it is much more credible to think tobacco companies have been misrepresenting their products, even manipulating the products, to create an addiction, and marketing directly to minors. That would be a hard argument to make toward firearms. You could make a better case that the media and game creators are doing a much better job of creating a culture of violence. There would be a better target for some sort of deliberate cause and effect.

They have been aggressively marketing military-type weapons to private owners! That this is irresponsible seems obvious to most sane people of modern democracies! Only here in the US does it seem 'normal' to do this. We have become desensitized, it is true, but I think it has more to do with the NRA than it does video games. Japan and western Europe love these games even more than we do, based on sales figures, yet have far less gun violence in real life. Why?