Obama Announces Gun Violence Task Force, Presses For Policy Changes After Shooting

[DaveE 178]

Obviously, any State laws have little relevance when guns can be obtained nation wide

Only Federal law can succeed - as in the case of machine gunsThat is why President Obama is so important to this process

The UK's bill of rights is still in force (from 1689) and the right to bear arms has been largely circumvented by regulation which is the way to go

Making storage of guns so expensive that people gave them up was highly effective

Solid wood internal doors, 5 lever locks on doors, a dedicated alarm to the police station - it can be done without touching the stupid bloody 2nd

Why do you keep mentioning machine guns? They are legal, from a Federal perspective. Any person who can legally buy a weapon, can buy a machine gun. If there are any restrictions they are only at the state level. Want to buy one, fill out the form 4, pay the $200 tax and go here: Class III purchase

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

If the UK promises not to attack the US, would the US start to relax on guns ?

After all, we did burn the white house down in 1812, many decades AFTER the 2nd ...didn't stop us

It did relax between 1994 and 2004 when the assault weapons ban was in.....

Perhaps Princess Diana gave them a warm fuzzy feeling at the time

anyway it's coming back...

Nah, because you will always have the what if factor, and other reasons to keep guns. I don't dispute the right to bear arms, but all the shooting deaths need to stop.

[Harsh_77 718]

Is the US in a literal war or something?

That was response to captain oates post showing him the numbers he was posting were not all true.

[Harsh_77 718]

They did produce a wonderful President who will be able to organize gun safety legislation - and it will make difference eventually

I feel so sorry for their gun soaked city and the sooner they can be removed the better

I don't subscribe to the idea that black kids killing black kids does not matter

R u living in some fantasy world?

Wonderful president? What are you talking about?

[Harsh_77 718]

Obviously, any State laws have little relevance when guns can be obtained nation wide

Only Federal law can succeed - as in the case of machine guns

That is why President Obama is so important to this process

The UK's bill of rights is still in force (from 1689) and the right to bear arms has been largely circumvented by regulation which is the way to go

Making storage of guns so expensive that people gave them up was highly effective

Solid wood internal doors, 5 lever locks on doors, a dedicated alarm to the police station - it can be done without touching the stupid bloody 2nd

If people of UK did not wanted to stand up for their rights and were letting govt take it away does not mean we have to do the same.

It just shows that ppl of UK do not care about their rights or liberty, tomm govt will come and push them in on corner of country saying its more safe there, I guess most of them would move and believe the govt.

[Captain Oates 911]

Why do you keep mentioning machine guns? They are legal, from a Federal perspective. Any person who can legally buy a weapon, can buy a machine gun. If there are any restrictions they are only at the state level. Want to buy one, fill out the form 4, pay the $200 tax and go here: Class III purchase

AS I understand it Dave, the manufacture and sale to the public of new machine guns is banned in exactly the same way as the AW's are proposed to be banned

If the machine gun restriction is ok with the constitution then.....

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0020.htm

SUMMARY OF STATE AND FEDERAL MACHINE GUN LAWS

[Captain Oates 911]

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0020.htm

SUMMARY OF STATE AND FEDERAL MACHINE GUN LAWS

much, much, much more restrictive than the proposed AW ban

and yet constitutional

which was my point

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

much, much, much more restrictive than the proposed AW ban

and yet constitutional

which was my point

This I can't answer definitively. I know it partially hinges around the Miller case (one of the few rulings in history that limited the 2nd amendment)

Take everything I say from here with a grain of salt because it may be inaccurate - Charles might be better able to explain.

The miller case revolved around a shotgun that had been sawn off, the SCOTUS ruled it should be illegal because the firearm was not in regular use with the military. From there I think a precedent was set that Congress has the power to limit certain firearms.

Heller did revisit this case I believe and more narrowly defined it to banning the restriction of firearms in common civilian use.

Edited December 20, 2012 by Usui Takumi

[Captain Oates 911]

This I can't answer definitively. I know it partially hinges around the Miller case (one of the few rulings in history that limited the 2nd amendment)

Take everything I say from here with a grain of salt because it may be inaccurate - Charles might be better able to explain.

The miller case revolved around a shotgun that had been sawn off, the SCOTUS ruled it should be illegal because the firearm was not in regular use with the military. From there I think a precedent was set that Congress has the power to limit certain firearms.

Heller did revisit this case I believe and more narrowly defined it to banning the restriction of firearms in common civilian use.

Well AW's are certainly in common civilian use as 2 million were sold twixt 2000 and 2010 and a heck of a lot more before then

The lack of success of a challenge between 1994 and 2004 makes me think it would pass the test

A bit academic as these guns last forever (screw in a new barrel) and it won't be retrospective

I have a thousand slow rounds through mine and my life expectancy and the cat's is about the same and less than the barrel's

Any of the country's enemies who want to see massacres continue will not be disappointed

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Edited December 20, 2012 by Captain Oates

[DaveE 178]

AS I understand it Dave, the manufacture and sale to the public of new machine guns is banned in exactly the same way as the AW's are proposed to be banned

If the machine gun restriction is ok with the constitution then.....

Each person has their own perspective. It seems to me to be quite different that you can't manufacture a new machine gun, but you can still manufacture a new semiautomatic rifle under a "ban". As I said before, the Bushmaster used in the CT tragedy was legal before the ban, and new Bushmasters will be legal after the ban. Remember, CT never ended the assault weapons ban, and the Bushmaster was legally purchased there. If people would be honest, the real goal is to ban semiautomatic weapons.

A magazine ban doesn't cut it. There are probably 25 million high capacity magazines in general circulation now. My local distributor had 150,000 last Friday and they are backordered now. If you look on line for PMAG 30 round, you will not find any available although the price has tripled. They are not serialized, and there is no record of individual purchaser. They sit on the counter, you pay cash and leave.

They can't define "assault weapon", except by appearance, and that to me is feel good legislation.

Edited December 20, 2012 by DaveE

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Each person has their own perspective. It seems to me to be quite different that you can't manufacture a new machine gun, but you can still manufacture a new semiautomatic rifle under a "ban". As I said before, the Bushmaster used in the CT tragedy was legal before the ban, and new Bushmasters will be legal after the ban. Remember, CT never ended the assault weapons ban, and the Bushmaster was legally purchased there. If people would be honest, the real goal is to ban semiautomatic weapons.

A magazine ban doesn't cut it. There are probably 25 million high capacity magazines in general circulation now. My local distributor had 150,000 last Friday and they are backordered now. If you look on line for PMAG 30 round, you will not find any available although the price has tripled. They are not serialized, and there is no record of individual purchaser. They sit on the counter, you pay cash and leave.

They can't define "assault weapon", except by appearance, and that to me is feel good legislation.

[Captain Oates 911]

Each person has their own perspective. It seems to me to be quite different that you can't manufacture a new machine gun, but you can still manufacture a new semiautomatic rifle under a "ban". As I said before, the Bushmaster used in the CT tragedy was legal before the ban, and new Bushmasters will be legal after the ban. Remember, CT never ended the assault weapons ban, and the Bushmaster was legally purchased there. If people would be honest, the real goal is to ban semiautomatic weapons.

A magazine ban doesn't cut it. There are probably 25 million high capacity magazines in general circulation now. My local distributor had 150,000 last Friday and they are backordered now. If you look on line for PMAG 30 round, you will not find any available although the price has tripled. They are not serialized, and there is no record of individual purchaser. They sit on the counter, you pay cash and leave.

They can't define "assault weapon", except by appearance, and that to me is feel good legislation.

Totally agree

My supplier's website is swamped and wont work - when it does work, there is a banner that says go away we can't handle even phone calls

The UK allows ar-15's if they are modified to single shot and no mag can be inserted

any detachable mag semi auto rifle is bloody formidable whatever it looks like

I have three 30 round mags because her down the corridor in these apartments has pit bulls and I can't see well without glasses so I need to spray and pray

The spraying is ok but praying without laughing is always difficult for atheists

Edited December 20, 2012 by Captain Oates

[himher 634]

<grin> This is nothing. You should have seen the stockpiles grow when clinton was in office. LOL

You should have been here the day after the election... The pu$ies of whom you speak were going crazy stocking up on guns - as pu$ies do, for they can only be brave with a weapon on their hands - and ammo and promoting ideas of secession and guerrilla warfare and floating the idea of overthrowing a democratic elected government.

I would not underestimate the power of the RWNJ pu$ies, of whom you speak. They panic easily....

[Ban Hammer 13,636]

Take everything I say from here with a grain of salt because it may be inaccurate - Charles might be better able to explain.

jas or gary would have to field that one, i'm not privy to the particulars.