Obama Announces Gun Violence Task Force, Presses For Policy Changes After Shooting

[Captain Oates 911]

The Illinois AWB was struck down earlier this year actually. Gun Control advocates probably won't appeal it further because they don't want these laws getting to SCOTUS

AS of now...and look out for City Ordinances which are not preempted by the State

Gun laws in Illinois regulate the sale, possession, and use of firearms and ammunition in the state of Illinois in the United States.[1][2]

Illinois does not issue licenses for the concealed carry of firearms, nor does it recognize licenses issued by other states. Illinois is the only state that does not allow concealed carry in some form. Open carry is also prohibited in most areas. When a firearm is being transported, it must be unloaded and enclosed in a case. On December 11, 2012, these blanket restrictions were struck down as unconstitutional by a federal appeals court, which gave the state 180 days to change its laws or appeal the decision.

To legally possess firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card, issued by the state police. Non-residents who may legally possess firearms in their home state are exempt from this requirement. There is a waiting period to take possession after purchasing a firearm — 72 hours for a handgun, or 24 hours for a rifle or shotgun. Private sales are allowed, and are subject to these same requirements. Possession of automatic firearms, short-barreled shotguns, or short-barreled rifles is prohibited.

Illinois does not have state preemption for gun laws, and some local governments have enacted ordinances that are more restrictive than those of the state.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

AS of now...and look out for City Ordinances which are not preempted by the State

Gun laws in Illinois regulate the sale, possession, and use of firearms and ammunition in the state of Illinois in the United States.[1][2]

Illinois does not issue licenses for the concealed carry of firearms, nor does it recognize licenses issued by other states. Illinois is the only state that does not allow concealed carry in some form. Open carry is also prohibited in most areas. When a firearm is being transported, it must be unloaded and enclosed in a case. On December 11, 2012, these blanket restrictions were struck down as unconstitutional by a federal appeals court, which gave the state 180 days to change its laws or appeal the decision.

To legally possess firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card, issued by the state police. Non-residents who may legally possess firearms in their home state are exempt from this requirement. There is a waiting period to take possession after purchasing a firearm — 72 hours for a handgun, or 24 hours for a rifle or shotgun. Private sales are allowed, and are subject to these same requirements. Possession of automatic firearms, short-barreled shotguns, or short-barreled rifles is prohibited.

Illinois does not have state preemption for gun laws, and some local governments have enacted ordinances that are more restrictive than those of the state.

The way the ruling was worded as with other rulings, if Chicago tries to be dicks about this and stick uber tight restrictions on guns, that city will be taken to court. The attorneys will make a small fortune and in the end Chicago will lose. If Chicago is smart (which they haven't shown to be yet) they won't chance it.

[Captain Oates 911]

The way the ruling was worded as with other rulings, if Chicago tries to be dicks about this and stick uber tight restrictions on guns, that city will be taken to court. The attorneys will make a small fortune and in the end Chicago will lose. If Chicago is smart (which they haven't shown to be yet) they won't chance it.

They did produce a wonderful President who will be able to organize gun safety legislation - and it will make difference eventually

I feel so sorry for their gun soaked city and the sooner they can be removed the better

I don't subscribe to the idea that black kids killing black kids does not matter

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

They did produce a wonderful President who will be able to organize gun safety legislation - and it will make difference eventually

I feel so sorry for their gun soaked city and the sooner they can be removed the better

I don't subscribe to the idea that black kids killing black kids does not matter

Yes because we all know just how well banning guns in Chicago has worked for them. Why it's done wonders for that cities murder and crime rate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1602692.html

Chicago Homicides Outnumber U.S. Troop Killings In Afghanistan

Posted: 06/16/2012 3:31 pm Updated: 08/16/2012 4:24 pm

As Chicago deals with a surge of murders that, thus far this year, has outpaced that of U.S. troops in Afghanistan, the Chicago Police Department has assigned at least 100 officers to secure the wedding of White House advisor Valerie Jarrett's daughter.

The war zone-like statistics are not new. As WBEZ reports, while some 2,000 U.S. troops have been killed in Afghanistan since 2001, more than 5,000 people have been killed by gun fire in Chicago during that time, based on Department of Defense and FBI data.

Edited December 20, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[Karee 4,191]

They did produce a wonderful President who will be able to organize gun safety legislation - and it will make difference eventually

I feel so sorry for their gun soaked city and the sooner they can be removed the better

I don't subscribe to the idea that black kids killing black kids does not matter

Yes, it is unfortunate there are so many guns in Chicago and black youth are paying a high price for it. Even more unfortunate is the fact that restricting them isn't going to do a thing to address the issue. People aren't going to just line up and hand over their illegal weapons. I guess it'll give the politicians warm fuzzies for awhile, and they can run around and say they did something to cater to their constiuents, but it in the end it wont solve anything.

[Captain Oates 911]

Yes, it is unfortunate there are so many guns in Chicago and black youth are paying a high price for it. Even more unfortunate is the fact that restricting them isn't going to do a thing to address the issue. People aren't going to just line up and hand over their illegal weapons. I guess it'll give the politicians warm fuzzies for awhile, and they can run around and say they did something to cater to their constiuents, but it in the end it wont solve anything.

It worked in Britain

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Yes because we all know just how well banning guns in Chicago has worked for them. Why it's done wonders for that cities murder and crime rate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1602692.html

Chicago Homicides Outnumber U.S. Troop Killings In Afghanistan

Posted: 06/16/2012 3:31 pm Updated: 08/16/2012 4:24 pm

As Chicago deals with a surge of murders that, thus far this year, has outpaced that of U.S. troops in Afghanistan, the Chicago Police Department has assigned at least 100 officers to secure the wedding of White House advisor Valerie Jarrett's daughter.

The war zone-like statistics are not new. As WBEZ reports, while some 2,000 U.S. troops have been killed in Afghanistan since 2001, more than 5,000 people have been killed by gun fire in Chicago during that time, based on Department of Defense and FBI data.

They need to clean up the streets, I hate seeing my young people act this way.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

It worked in Britain

Britain never had a proper gun culture. At its peak ownership was in the 200k range and I would argue it was very much an upper class cultural item. US ownership is in the 300M range.

[Karee 4,191]

It worked in Britain

Well this isn't Britain. There's more than 1 gun for every man woman and child in this country.

Also, thanks to Britain we have a 2nd amendment. If they would have just took their muskets and went back across the Atlantic in 1775, we wouldn't have a 2nd amendment. But hey, I pretty much blame all the problems of the world on the British so I'm a little biased.

Edited December 20, 2012 by Karee

[Captain Oates 911]

They need to clean up the streets, I hate seeing my young people act this way.

Obviously, any State laws have little relevance when guns can be obtained nation wide

Only Federal law can succeed - as in the case of machine guns

That is why President Obama is so important to this process

The UK's bill of rights is still in force (from 1689) and the right to bear arms has been largely circumvented by regulation which is the way to go

Making storage of guns so expensive that people gave them up was highly effective

Solid wood internal doors, 5 lever locks on doors, a dedicated alarm to the police station - it can be done without touching the stupid bloody 2nd

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Obviously, any State laws have little relevance when guns can be obtained nation wide

Only Federal law can succeed - as in the case of machine guns

That is why President Obama is so important to this process

The UK's bill of rights is still in force (from 1689) and the right to bear arms has been largely circumvented by regulation which is the way to go

Making storage of guns so expensive that people gave them up was highly effective

Solid wood internal doors, 5 lever locks on doors, a dedicated alarm to the police station - it can be done without touching the stupid bloody 2nd

Already ruled on by SCOTUS - unconstitutional.

Edited December 20, 2012 by Usui Takumi

[Captain Oates 911]

Already ruled on by SCOTUS - unconstitutional.

I will have to look for that under "guns " "door locks" "gun cabinets" "access by children"

Edited December 20, 2012 by Captain Oates

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I will have to look for that under "guns " "door locks" "gun cabinets" "access by children"

Here is where you will find the most resistance, because of our history with the UK, the 2nd is untouchable. The violent crime in Chicago or any other high risk area won't be solved by guns, if you allowed more guns you will have more bodies. You need to start with education, then move on to jobs, break the cycle of violence.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I will have to look for that under "guns " "door locks" "gun cabinets" "access by children"

In Heller they addressed the requirement of locking of a firearm. They also addressed your idea of regulating a right out of existence.

“A statute which, under the pretence of regulating, amounts to a destruction of the right, or which requires arms to be so borne as to render them wholly useless for the purpose of defence, would be clearly unconstitutional”

[Captain Oates 911]

Here is where you will find the most resistance, because of our history with the UK, the 2nd is untouchable. The violent crime in Chicago or any other high risk area won't be solved by guns, if you allowed more guns you will have more bodies. You need to start with education, then move on to jobs, break the cycle of violence.

If the UK promises not to attack the US, would the US start to relax on guns ?

After all, we did burn the white house down in 1812, many decades AFTER the 2nd ...didn't stop us

It did relax between 1994 and 2004 when the assault weapons ban was in.....

Perhaps Princess Diana gave them a warm fuzzy feeling at the time

anyway it's coming back...