Obama Announces Gun Violence Task Force, Presses For Policy Changes After Shooting

[JohnR! 5,495]

Funny how some believe that serving in the military gives them the right to special treatment. Serving in the military is a job, if you weren't drafted, then you chose that career path. I come from a long line of military veterans, some were drafted, some volunteered, and I also have a large amount of family members who are police veterans or currently active on the force, not once has anyone of them ever touted their service. They would be ashamed as men to do so.

A good amount of people I know chose the military career path because they were complete ** ups in civilian life and no one else would take them. Whatever your choice was, be a man about it and stop waving the US flag around as if you're the first one to ever hoist it.

That is one of the reasons I refuse to discuss military life. Many do so with a sense of entitlement that makes them undeserving of the very uniform they allegedly once wore.

Edited December 20, 2012 by Gegel

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

From those imperialistic Vietnamese ! We conquered them so we could be free. oh wait...they won ?

This older generation of gun nuts are the ones who set dogs on black people and beat them with sticks

Saints they were not

It is a twisted culture and needs to be pushed towards modernity

It happened when gays were no longer jailed or thrown out of the army

It happened when drink drive became unacceptable

Cultures can be changed

The gun culture can be changed

I'm sorry but you must have this country mistaken for the EU. No this is not the worthless EU and yes I do value the US Constitution. Unlike the worthless EU who stood by and watched Serbs cart away Bosnians for mass slaughter, unlike the worthless EU who stood by and watched Georgians get kicked out of their homes by Russian troops, unlike the worthless EU who stood by and watched on news while Serbs invaded three European countries the US has a different take on things.

Two world wars and the first world war was called by Europeans "The war to end all wars". After the Brits got on their knees like dogs and handed Hitler and Poland a third of Czechoslovakia they watched as Hitler ran roughshod over Europe and had to call in Churchill to clean up the mess.

You can have the EU and it's way of life, but again many of us here value the US Constitution along with our freedoms and rights. You want Europe then move there. Nobody is stopping you.

[bsd058 296]

checkout wiki US is #10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Heres another link which shows US is not the top even with high number of guns and gun owners.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list

Is the US in a literal war or something?

[JohnR! 5,495]

You can have the EU and it's way of life, but again many of us here value the US Constitution along with our freedoms and rights. You want Europe then move there. Nobody is stopping you.

Ah the irony! It is yet to be determined how anyone might interpret the US Constitution as a means to stifle free discourse and suggest voluntary deportation... You can't buy material this good!!!!

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

That is one of the reasons I refuse to discuss military life. Many do so with a sense of entitlement that makes them undeserving of the very uniform they allegedly once wore.

Hey, I am serving, I want my free stuff!!!

[JohnR! 5,495]

Hey, I am serving, I want my free stuff!!!

:rofl: :rofl:

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Ah the irony! It is yet to be determined how anyone might interpret the US Constitution as a means to stifle free discourse and suggest voluntary deportation... You can't buy material this good!!!!

Remember when you told everyone here that you served in the military and afterwards on the same thread you were found out? Ya keep digging that hole.

Edited December 20, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[JohnR! 5,495]

Remember when you told everyone here that you served in the military afterwards on the same thread you were found out? Ya keep digging that hole.

I do not remember telling everyone. I do remember speaking of my time in the military and someone asked me for proof or something of the kind. I told them, as I usually do, that my time in the military was my choice and I feel no entitlement as a consequence. It really means that is it none of their business.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I do not remember telling everyone. I do remember speaking of my time in the military and someone asked me for proof or something of the kind. I told them, as I usually do, that my time in the military was my choice and I feel no entitlement as a consequence. It really means that is it none of their business.

[JohnR! 5,495]

That is one of the reasons I refuse to discuss military life. Many do so with a sense of entitlement that makes them undeserving of the very uniform they allegedly once wore.

[Captain Oates 911]

I'm sorry but you must have this country mistaken for the EU. No this is not the worthless EU and yes I do value the US Constitution. Unlike the worthless EU who stood by and watched Serbs cart away Bosnians for mass slaughter, unlike the worthless EU who stood by and watched Georgians get kicked out of their homes by Russian troops, unlike the worthless EU who stood by and watched on news while Serbs invaded three European countries the US has a different take on things.

Two world wars and the first world war was called by Europeans "The war to end all wars". After the Brits got on their knees like dogs and handed Hitler and Poland a third of Czechoslovakia they watched as Hitler ran roughshod over Europe and had to call in Churchill to clean up the mess.

You can have the EU and it's way of life, but again many of us here value the US Constitution along with our freedoms and rights. You want Europe then move there. Nobody is stopping you.

I am staying in the US because the majority of people think like me and not like you

I voted for President Obama and he won easily - did you ? Did you ?

Should a minority tell the majority to get out of the country ?

The democratic majority will have their way regarding guns, and the minority will obey the law or face the consequences

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

That is one of the reasons I refuse to discuss military life. Many do so with a sense of entitlement that makes them undeserving of the very uniform they allegedly once wore.

I am staying in the US because the majority of people think like me and not like you

I voted for President Obama and he won easily - did you ? Did you ?

Should a minority tell the majority to get out of the country ?

The democratic majority will have their way regarding guns, and the minority will obey the law or face the consequences

You think their going to amend the US Constitution anytime soon? Ya right.

Edited December 20, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[JohnR! 5,495]

I appreciate your interest in me, and the photographs. I am flattered, honestly.

Edited December 20, 2012 by Gegel

[JohnR! 5,495]

You think their going to amend the US Constitution anytime soon? Ya right.

Whose?

[JohnR! 5,495]

WASHINGTON -- Spurred by a horrific elementary school shooting, President Barack Obama vowed to send Congress new policy proposals for reducing gun violence by January.

"This time, the words need to lead to action," Obama said Wednesday. He tasked Vice President Joe Biden with leading an administration-wide effort to create the new recommendations and pledged to push for their implementation without delay.

The president, who exerted little political capital on gun control despite a series of mass shootings in his first term, bristled at suggestions that he had been silent on the issue during his first four years in office. But he acknowledged that Friday's deadly shooting had been "a wake-up call for all of us."

Twenty children and six adults were killed when a man carrying a military-style rifle stormed Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., Friday morning.

The president also called on Congress Wednesday to reinstate an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 and to pass legislation that would close the gun show "loophole," which allows people to purchase firearms from private dealers without a background check. Obama also said he wanted Congress to pursue the possibility of limiting high-capacity ammunition clips.

"The fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing," Obama said. "The fact that we can't prevent every act of violence doesn't mean we can't steadily reduce the violence."

The president's announcement Wednesday underscores the urgency the White House sees in formulating a response to the Newtown shooting. The massacre has prompted several congressional gun rights supporters to consider new legislation to control firearms, and there is some concern that their willingness to engage could fade as the shock and sorrow over the Newtown shooting eases.

Obama said it was "encouraging" to see people of different backgrounds and political affiliations coming to an understanding that the country has an obligation to prevent such violence.

Appealing to gun owners, Obama said he believes in the Second Amendment and the country's strong tradition of gun ownership. And he said "the vast majority of gun owners in America are responsible."

"I am also betting that the majority, the vast majority, of responsible law-abiding gun owners would be some of the first to say that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few from buying a weapon of war," Obama said.

Obama also tasked the Biden-led team with considering ways to improve mental health resources and address ways to create a culture that doesn't promote violence. The departments of Justice, Education, Health and Human Services, and Homeland Security, along with outside groups and lawmakers, will all be part of the process.

Biden's prominent role in the process could be an asset for the White House in getting gun legislation through Congress. The vice president spent decades in the Senate and has been called on by Obama before to use his long-standing relationships with lawmakers to build support for White House measures.

The president challenged the National Rifle Association, the country's most powerful gun lobby and key backer of many Republican politicians, to join the broader effort to reduce gun violence as well.

"Hopefully they'll do some self-reflection," Obama said of the NRA.

The NRA made its first comments since the shooting on Tuesday, promising to offer "meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."

Obama said that while taking the necessary steps to reduce gun violence would take commitment and compromise, he said it could be achieved if Washington summons "even one tiny iota of the courage of those teachers, that principal in Newtown summoned on Friday."

http://www.huffingto...26pLid%3D247755

Also NBC News: http://firstread.nbc...ence-by-january

I doubt it. There hasn't been any comments from the NRA for days, as though the shootings in Newtown were to be considered mundane and ordinary or worse, as though they did not happen.