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[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

This is a thread about mental illness as a cause of mass murder (context). You asked an inane question. Obviously, anybody without a gun can't kill anybody with a gun. But people without guns can still kill people. Tim McVeigh is relevant because without ever touching a trigger he killed more people than anyone with a gun ever has in a single shooting (as far as I am aware).

What does reducing the number of guns out there really do? There are hundreds of millions of guns. Many of them are off the records. It's like neutering stray male dogs. Even if you neuter 90% of them, the other 10% are more than capable of impregnating all of the females and you have done nothing about the stray dog population. Get rid of 90% of the guns in America and there will still be enough guns that people who want to commit gun crime will be able to obtain guns.

There are lots of ways to address mass murders. They all need to be examined. Restricting the means to kill lots of people is a start. But looking at the motivations of these murderers is also important. This is why I object when you try to make this all about guns. Normal people don't go on killing sprees, nor are guns required to go on killing sprees. Focusing only on the guns and stating that any event that doesn't involve guns is irrelevant is very shortsighted.

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[Karee 4,190]

This is a thread about mental illness as a cause of mass murder (context). You asked an inane question. Obviously, anybody without a gun can't kill anybody with a gun. But people without guns can still kill people. Tim McVeigh is relevant because without ever touching a trigger he killed more people than anyone with a gun ever has in a single shooting (as far as I am aware).

What does reducing the number of guns out there really do? There are hundreds of millions of guns. Many of them are off the records. It's like neutering stray male dogs. Even if you neuter 90% of them, the other 10% are more than capable of impregnating all of the females and you have done nothing about the stray dog population. Get rid of 90% of the guns in America and there will still be enough guns that people who want to commit gun crime will be able to obtain guns.

There are lots of ways to address mass murders. They all need to be examined. Restricting the means to kill lots of people is a start. But looking at the motivations of these murderers is also important. This is why I object when you try to make this all about guns. Normal people don't go on killing sprees, nor are guns required to go on killing sprees. Focusing only on the guns and stating that any event that doesn't involve guns is irrelevant is very shortsighted.

Here's the problem with your post. You can't make sense of the issue so soon after such a tragedy.

Only knee-jerk reactions and wacky solutions that will never ever work are allowed. I'm still waiting for someone to say we should ban Lead mining because Lead is used for bullets, or wood because they are used in gun stocks.

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[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This is a thread about mental illness as a cause of mass murder (context). You asked an inane question. Obviously, anybody without a gun can't kill anybody with a gun. But people without guns can still kill people. Tim McVeigh is relevant because without ever touching a trigger he killed more people than anyone with a gun ever has in a single shooting (as far as I am aware).

McVeigh is relevant to a certain extend. He illustrates impressively that people that should not be able to acquire and own firearms can esily and even legally do so. Unless of course you think McVeigh was a good candidate to be able to legally acquire and own firearms. Do you?

What does reducing the number of guns out there really do?

It reduces access to firearms.

There are hundreds of millions of guns.

Indeed. That is thanks to the proliferation insanity that we had going on for far too long.

Many of them are off the records.

So get them on the records. Set a target by which guns must be registered. Any unregistered gun after that date will be subject to seizure and a fine.

It's like neutering stray male dogs. Even if you neuter 90% of them, the other 10% are more than capable of impregnating all of the females and you have done nothing about the stray dog population. Get rid of 90% of the guns in America and there will still be enough guns that people who want to commit gun crime will be able to obtain guns.

It'll take time but that's not a reason not to start.

There are lots of ways to address mass murders. They all need to be examined. Restricting the means to kill lots of people is a start.

Yes, so let us start.

But looking at the motivations of these murderers is also important.

Indeed. But let us not water down the much needed debate about stricter gun controls as THE most important piece of the puzzle.

This is why I object when you try to make this all about guns. Normal people don't go on killing sprees, nor are guns required to go on killing sprees. Focusing only on the guns and stating that any event that doesn't involve guns is irrelevant is very shortsighted.

I do not make it all about guns. I make it all about the easy, ready and largely uncontrolled access to guns for everyone and anyone whether they are fit to handle guns or not. I agree that normal people do not commit such atrocities. But all the not normal people that do committ them have easy and ready and in the vast majority of cases legal access to firearms. THAT MUST STOP!

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So get them on the records. Set a target by which guns must be registered. Any unregistered gun after that date will be subject to seizure and a fine.

There are already jurisdictions (mostly urban) that require that with punitive measure that go well beyond a mere fine.

It hasn't really worked. Our cities are still awash with illegal weapons.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

[quote name=' timestamp='1355937599' post='5880109]There are already jurisdictions (mostly urban) that require that with punitive measure that go well beyond a mere fine.

It hasn't really worked. Our cities are still awash with illegal weapons.

It needs to be done and mandated on a federal level. As long as you can obtain firearms w/o registration, background check or any other restriction anywhere in the country then there will be illegal firearms everywhere in the country.

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It needs to be done and mandated on a federal level. As long as you can obtain firearms w/o registration, background check or any other restriction anywhere in the country then there will be illegal firearms everywhere in the country.

Doesn't that particular right belong to the states though?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Here's the problem with your post. You can't make sense of the issue so soon after such a tragedy.

Only knee-jerk reactions and wacky solutions that will never ever work are allowed. I'm still waiting for someone to say we should ban Lead mining because Lead is used for bullets, or wood because they are used in gun stocks.

/sarcasm

Ah the headline news click on here. Always good for snide one liner post, yet bring about zero to the table. The same bunch that would cut off the nose to spite the face. Individuality isn't a known trait for the flock of sheep. Ban this, ban that, but don't ever get to the root of the problem and whatever you do don't be bringing facts to the table. Personal responsibility is a bad thing according to the flock. If it isn't politically correct in their little world, then ban it. Just keep watching the headlines and drinking the kool aide that the media feeds you. Editing 911 tapes...don't even mention it. Just pretend it never happened.

And remember, the US Constitution is only there to be changed to what you want it to say. Otherwise it's just a rag for whack jobs.

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Ah the headline news click on here. Always good for snide one liner post, yet bring about zero to the table. The same bunch that would cut off the nose to spite the face. Individuality isn't a known trait for the flock of sheep. Ban this, ban that, but don't ever get to the root of the problem and whatever you do don't be bringing facts to the table. Personal responsibility is a bad thing according to the flock. If it isn't politically correct in their little world, then ban it. Just keep watching the headlines and drinking the kool aide that the media feeds you. Editing 911 tapes...don't even mention it. Just pretend it never happened.

And remember, the US Constitution is only there to be changed to what you want it to say. Otherwise it's just a rag for whack jobs.

Bravo! If only all Americans had the same respect for the law that you clearly do.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

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Doesn't that particular right belong to the states though?

There is plenty of federal regulation around firearms and there is room for more if Scalia's recent hints are any indication.

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There is plenty of federal regulation around firearms and there is room for more if Scalia's recent hints are any indication.

sure, but we're talking mandatory registration run by the feds.

[lostinblue 1,989]

It needs to be done and mandated on a federal level. As long as you can obtain firearms w/o registration, background check or any other restriction anywhere in the country then there will be illegal firearms everywhere in the country.

This is brought to you by people who think showing a voter ID is impossible. If you cannot stop the flow of drugs in this country you would never stop the flow of guns. "Hey pedro throw 5 glocks in with that weed shipment to detroit"....From the libs ..we cannot stop the flow of drugs so lets make them legal..but they sing a different tune on guns.

According to the drug project and Journal of American Medical Association, 900,000 Americans die a year from substance abuse, alcohol and tobacco. In 2000, 17,000 deaths occurred as a result of illegal drug abuse,

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3.2 per 100,000 homicides by gun every year in the united states.

3.2 per 100,000 is not a crisis.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This is brought to you by people who think showing a voter ID is impossible. If you cannot stop the flow of drugs in this country you would never stop the flow of guns. "Hey pedro throw 5 glocks in with that weed shipment to detroit"....From the libs ..we cannot stop the flow of drugs so lets make them legal..but they sing a different tune on guns.

According to the drug project and Journal of American Medical Association, 900,000 Americans die a year from substance abuse, alcohol and tobacco. In 2000, 17,000 deaths occurred as a result of illegal drug abuse,

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Yay, more red herrings. Awesome!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

This is brought to you by people who think showing a voter ID is impossible. If you cannot stop the flow of drugs in this country you would never stop the flow of guns. "Hey pedro throw 5 glocks in with that weed shipment to detroit"....From the libs ..we cannot stop the flow of drugs so lets make them legal..but they sing a different tune on guns.

According to the drug project and Journal of American Medical Association, 900,000 Americans die a year from substance abuse, alcohol and tobacco. In 2000, 17,000 deaths occurred as a result of illegal drug abuse,

Read more: How Many People Die From Drug Abuse? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5336602_many-people-die-drug-abuse.html#ixzz2FWLSXYRJ

Voter ID laws are discriminatory against the illegals, so you know we can't implement anything like that.

[decocker 7,198]

This is brought to you by people who think showing a voter ID is impossible. If you cannot stop the flow of drugs in this country you would never stop the flow of guns. "Hey pedro throw 5 glocks in with that weed shipment to detroit"....From the libs ..we cannot stop the flow of drugs so lets make them legal..but they sing a different tune on guns.

According to the drug project and Journal of American Medical Association, 900,000 Americans die a year from substance abuse, alcohol and tobacco. In 2000, 17,000 deaths occurred as a result of illegal drug abuse,

but why do you have a problem with attempting to regulate either market? not ban..regulate.

i'm against prohibition. i don't own any guns but i would like to keep my right to do so if i want. it seems petty to get enraged at the suggestion of better regulation of guns. if it makes people feel better, what is the big deal?