Egypt - Next India or Pakistan

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I know over the years several MENA members have expressed their dislike of Thomas Friedman and recommend Robert Fisk instead. I read Fisk's column's too but it seems he hasn't said much about Egypt in awhile and I think from a political science perspective Friedman has an interesting point here in his op-ed.

I WANT to discuss Egypt today, but first a small news item that you may have missed.

Three weeks ago, the prime minister of India appointed Syed Asif Ibrahim as the new director of India's Intelligence Bureau, its domestic intelligence-gathering agency. Ibrahim is a Muslim. India is a predominantly Hindu country, but it is also the world's third-largest Muslim nation. India's greatest security threat today comes from violent Muslim extremists. For India to appoint a Muslim to be the chief of the country's intelligence service is a big, big deal. But it's also part of an evolution of empowering minorities. India's prime minister and its army chief of staff today are both Sikhs, and India's foreign minister and chief justice of the Supreme Court are both Muslims. It would be like Egypt appointing a Coptic Christian to be its army chief of staff.

"Preposterous," you say.

Well, yes, that's true today. But if it is still true in a decade or two, then we'll know that democracy in Egypt failed. We will know that Egypt went the route of Pakistan and not India. That is, rather than becoming a democratic country where its citizens could realize their full potential, instead it became a Muslim country where the military and the Muslim Brotherhood fed off each other so both could remain in power indefinitely and "the people" were again spectators. Whether Egypt turns out more like Pakistan or India will impact the future of democracy in the whole Arab world.

Sure, India still has its governance problems and its Muslims still face discrimination. Nevertheless, "democracy matters," argues Tufail Ahmad, the Indian Muslim who directsthe South Asia Studies Project at the Middle East Media Research Institute, because "it is democracy in India that has, over six decades, gradually broken down primordial barriers — such as caste, tribe and religion — and in doing so opened the way for all different sectors of Indian society to rise through their own merits, which is exactly what Ibrahim did."

And it is six decades of tyranny in Egypt that has left it a deeply divided country, where large segments do not know or trust one another, and where conspiracy theories abound. All of Egypt today needs to go on a weekend retreat with a facilitator and reflect on one question: How did India, another former British colony, get to be the way it is (Hindu culture aside)?

The first answer is time. India has had decades of operating democracy, and, before independence, struggling for democracy. Egypt has had less than two years. Egypt's political terrain was frozen and monopolized for decades — the same decades that political leaders from Mahatma Gandhi to Jawaharlal Nehru to Manmohan Singh "were building an exceptionally diverse, cacophonous, but impressively flexible and accommodating system," notes the Stanford University democracy expert Larry Diamond, the author of "The Spirit of Democracy: The Struggle to Build Free Societies Throughout the World."

Also, the dominant political party in India when it overthrew its colonial overlord "was probably the most multiethnic, inclusive and democratically minded political party to fight for independence in any 20th-century colony — the Indian National Congress," said Diamond. While the dominant party when Egypt overthrew Hosni Mubarak's tyranny, the Muslim Brotherhood, "was a religiously exclusivist party with deeply authoritarian roots that had only recently been evolving toward something more open and pluralistic."

Moreover, adds Diamond, compare the philosophies and political heirs of Mahatma Gandhi and Sayyid Qutb, the guiding light of the Muslim Brotherhood. "Nehru was not a saint, but he sought to preserve a spirit of tolerance and consensus, and to respect the rules," notes Diamond. He also prized education. By contrast, added Diamond, "the hard-line Muslim Brotherhood leaders, who have been in the driver's seat since Egypt started moving toward elections, have driven away the moderates from within their party, seized emergency powers, beaten their rivals in the streets, and now are seeking to ram a constitution that lacks consensus down the throats of a large segment of Egyptian society that feels excluded and aggrieved."

Then there is the military. Unlike in Pakistan, India's postindependence leaders separated the military from politics. Unfortunately, in Egypt after the 1952 coup, Gamel Abdel Nasser brought the military into politics and all of his successors, right up to Mubarak, kept it there and were sustained by both the military and its intelligence services. Once Mubarak fell, and the new Brotherhood leaders pushed the army back to its barracks, Egypt's generals clearly felt that they had to cut a deal to protect the huge web of economic interests they had built. "Their deep complicity in the old order led them to be compromised by the new order," said Diamond. "Now they are not able to act as a restraining influence."

Yes, democracy matters. But the ruling Muslim Brotherhood needs to understand that democracy is so much more than just winning an election. It is nurturing a culture of inclusion, and of peaceful dialogue, where respect for leaders is earned by surprising opponents with compromises rather than dictates. The Noble Prize-winning Indian economist Amartya Sen has long argued that it was India's civilizational history of dialogue and argumentation that disposed it well to the formal institutions of democracy. More than anything, Egypt now needs to develop that kind of culture of dialogue, of peaceful and respectful arguing — it was totally suppressed under Mubarak — rather than rock-throwing, boycotting, conspiracy-mongering and waiting for America to denounce one side or the other, which has characterized too much of the postrevolutionary political scene. Elections without that culture are like a computer without software. It just doesn't work.

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Edited December 16, 2012 by Dr. A ♥ O

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I know over the years several MENA members have expressed their dislike of Thomas Friedman and recommend Robert Fisk instead. I read Fisk's column's too but it seems he hasn't said much about Egypt in awhile and I think from a political science perspective Friedman has an interesting point here in his op-ed.

Kudo's for you on posting this. There have been two threads in regards to what's going on in Egypt atm, and other than one single post from an Egyptian disregarding these protest as nothing more than made up stories by the Western media nobody has posted on them in regards to these events.

The Constitution Morsi drew up is akin to something out of Medieval times. After massive protest, and several deaths not once has Morsi offered to rewrite the constitution with input from secular's, and Copts. The Muslim Brotherhood's agenda is clear as crystal.

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Pakistan fell into the abyss not because of Islam (Turkey is Muslim too, they've done well) but because saudi oil money was too easy a 'get' and they let the wahabbis in as a result. Big mistake.

Culturally, they were not all that different from north indians back in the 1940s. Today, the two cultures are world apart.

Edited December 17, 2012 by ^_^

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Interesting article