Media trying to turn today's tragedy into a anti gun spiel

[Karee 4,191]

How many links have been posted in this forum ad nauseum pointing out that gun control is a failure? Lots. The "save our children spiel" is a cop out.

I was born and raised in the USA and have had a gun in my hand since age 4 as was the norm for just about every kid within a dozen towns of us. We hunted on our own with no parental supervision from elementary school. Guns were way more easily accessible back then vs now and no we didn't have people shooting up schools back then. You want to explain that one please.

Easy. No personal responsibility. It's always someone else's fault.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I was born and raised in the USA and have had a gun in my hand since age 4 as was the norm for just about every kid within a dozen towns of us. We hunted on our own with no parental supervision from elementary school. Guns were way more easily accessible back then vs now and no we didn't have people shooting up schools back then. You want to explain that one please.

Ah, yes, the good old days!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I've already stated in another thread that there's more to these massacres than just having guns available. Kids are growing up with a warped sense of perspective. Probably due to the daily diet of violence in movies and video games.

I actually agree with you that people like yourself who grew up with guns and learned to use them properly are likely to be safer and more stable than kids who play halo all day and don't seem to be able to differentiate between real death and what is on their computer screens.

But if guns weren't so easy to come by things like this would be less likely to happen. Harder to kill 27 people with a knife.

So instead of doing something we know won't help...like gun control, then working on society would be my next move. Is it over medication, not enough interaction with parents due to both working, violent video games, movies, media,etc.... I don't want to lose any rights. I would much rather see the real problem tackled. Gun control does not work. Americans these days are being over come with violence, and this country is sucking more and more every day. Kids these days are total whack jobs and there has to be a reason why they are whack jobs. We didn't have any kids seeing shrinks when I was in school, no medicated kids, and no soccer moms driving mini vans yet none of us were shooting up innocents on a whacked out rampage. The problem goes way deeper than what people want to fix. No easy outs with this one. Something has to be done and it doesn't need to involve anyone's rights.

Edited December 15, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

So instead of doing something we know won't help...like gun control, then working on society would be my next move. Is it over medication, not enough interaction with parents due to both working, violent video games, movies, media,etc.... I don't want to lose any rights. I would much rather see the real problem tackled. Gun control does not work. Americans these days are being over come with violence, and this country is sucking more and more every day. Kids these days are total whack jobs and there has to be a reason why they are whack jobs. We didn't have any kids seeing shrinks when I was in school, no medicated kids, and no soccer moms driving mini vans yet none of us were shooting up innocents on a whacked out rampage. The problem goes way deeper than what people want to fix. No easy outs with this one. Something has to be done and it doesn't need to involve anyone's rights.

[scotinmass 588]

So instead of doing something we know won't help...like gun control, then working on society would be my next move. Is it over medication, not enough interaction with parents due to both working, violent video games, movies, media,etc.... I don't want to lose any rights. I would much rather see the real problem tackled. Gun control does not work. Americans these days are being over come with violence, and this country is sucking more and more every day. Kids these days are total whack jobs and there has to be a reason why they are whack jobs. We didn't have any kids seeing shrinks when I was in school, no medicated kids, and no soccer moms driving mini vans yet none of us were shooting up innocents on a whacked out rampage. The problem goes way deeper than what people want to fix. No easy outs with this one. Something has to be done and it doesn't need to involve anyone's rights.

I don't have any answers. There are so many guns and people who love them that it's too late to take them all back and stop people from having them. Kids are already too screwed up and worldly wise to change them back to the wholesome leave it to Beaver days.

It seems we just have to get used to this kind of thing. Shake our heads and get upset then wait for the next one.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

you said it in an earlier post in this thread. people have nowhere to go with their disturbed thoughts and fears.

so, instead of winning at life, which seems too hard in a society in which "everybody is a winner" and everything is given to them without effort (blue state thinking), they "win" in a mock video game, because they feel they can't win in real life. blue states have disproportionately higher population densities. put too many rats in a cage and they are going to kill each other. blue states usually have a higher rate of "medicated" children and young adults, because liberals believe in a simple solution that does not actually involve effort in conflict resolution. blue states also have lower levels of individual real life experience with firearms, so youth in these states tend to have unrealistic views on what firearms are. when they act out with one, and realise that it is not a video game, they usually kill themselves in grief at the realisation of the reality of their actions.

kids that have actually had real range time and training rarely act out this way. it's the kids that "fight battles" in their mom's basement that do things like this.

And what you just said is so obvious to people that can think, but to those who can not,banning a gun, because it looks a certain way makes much more sense. Once again all you have to do is re-wind 40 years ago when we had more guns in more places and a lot less mental health care, but yet we had none of this kind of crazy stuff to pour water all of the More Mental Health less guns stupidity.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Only the military and government agency etc police forces should be allowed arms.

Yes Comrade Stalin...

[jamster 31]

Don't let facts get in the way. Just post something like that and call it good. That way you don't have to actually do any homework aka think.

your post is a perfect description of yourself.

first, you can stop perpetuating your alternate reality where you grew up in norman rockwell's america. in that regard, your first homework assignment is to research mass shootings in the u.s. over the past thirty years.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I don't have any answers. There are so many guns and people who love them that it's too late to take them all back and stop people from having them. Kids are already too screwed up and worldly wise to change them back to the wholesome leave it to Beaver days.

It seems we just have to get used to this kind of thing. Shake our heads and get upset then wait for the next one.

Yep. Nothing will change. We discussed this the last time, we discussed this yesterday, and we'll discuss it again when the next one will happen. And in this country, we won't have to wait long.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Easy. No personal responsibility. It's always someone else's fault.

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