NEWTOWN, CONNECTICUT SCHOOLS IN LOCKDOWN AFTER SHOOTING AT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Probably should point out that gun ownership is in decline in the US....ie its not increasing.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Probably should point out that gun ownership is in decline in the US....ie its not increasing.

I am all for legal gun ownership. Though I think it should have its limits. I have no solutions to this problem, but I don't think the problem should be ignored either.

Americans like killing each other. I have no idea why.

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Probably should point out that gun ownership is in decline in the US....ie its not increasing.

the chicoms just read your post and smiled. it's almost time.

I am all for legal gun ownership. Though I think it should have its limits. I have no solutions to this problem, but I don't think the problem should be ignored either.

Why not seek solutions in the area of increased security?

Are metal detectors and pat downs really too much of a price to pay for maintaining an effective citizen deterrent to tyranny?

Would you rather be a ChiCom slave or have your balls groped by a 60 year old ex con?

[justashooter 430]

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It's complicated. The reason we have a second amendment (it's not sport) is so the citizenry can effectively deter a future tyrannical government. How do you prevent tragedies like this and maintain that deterrence at the same time? I'm not sure it's possible.

a tragedy, for sure. as a parent who had a child in elementary school during a "Machete attack" by a disturbed step parent in a kindergarten classroom in early 2001, my heart goes out to the parents experiencing loss in this moment.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=94206&page=1

IMHO, this incident was prolly brought on by the extensive coverage other recent events have garnered on TV news, but who is going to call them on that one? a 24 year old from NJ in a presumed custody dispute? but NJ has the toughest gun laws in the country...gun laws only work with law abiding people. bottom line? this guy was not law abiding. nice of him to save us the court process and subsequent costs.

will be interesting to hear about the "gun show loophole" (obviously not relevant in this case) and how a guy in NJ did not buy his guns without background check without violating at least a couple dozen federal and state laws that already exist. will be interesting to hear if he had a criminal history, or would have passed background checks, anyway. the idea of allowing teachers to be armed if they so desire has been discussed before and is in effect at the college level in some states. school police are usually limited to high schools. even so, killing 30 people takes a dedicated and trained person less than a minute, whether he uses a gun, a car, a bomb, fire, some airplanes, or a machete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

8+13 in japan with a knife

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29

21+90 with knives in china

Analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kind of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents

http://www.spartancops.com/edged-weapon-mass-murder/

The average mass murder/attempt knife incident resulted in 16 casualties. In 92% of the cases, the specific weapon of choice was a knife. The remaining 8% was by a single actor with a meat cleaver who caused 9 murders and 12 wounded.

http://stephenewright.com/fromthebluff/2008/10/23/the-butcher%E2%80%99s-bill-%E2%80%93-non-gun-mass-murders/

as can be seen below, the largest mass murders in every category were committed not with firearms, but with explosives.

Worst School Massacre in US history:

Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commerical airliners. ~3,000 people dead.

Worldwide:

Daegu subway fire, Daegu, South Korea: 2/18/2003. 198 killed, 147 injured. A 56 year old unemployed taxi driver, dissatisfied with his medical treatment, sets fire to a crowded train.

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a tragedy, for sure. as a parent who had a child in elementary school during a "Machete attack" by a disturbed step parent in a kindergarten classroom in early 2001, my heart goes out to the parents experiencing loss in this moment.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=94206&page=1

IMHO, this incident was prolly brought on by the extensive coverage other recent events have garnered on TV news, but who is going to call them on that one? a 24 year old from NJ in a presumed custody dispute? but NJ has the toughest gun laws in the country...gun laws only work with law abiding people. bottom line? this guy was not law abiding. nice of him to save us the court process and subsequent costs.

will be interesting to hear about the "gun show loophole" (obviously not relevant in this case) and how a guy in NJ did not buy his guns without background check without violating at least a couple dozen federal and state laws that already exist. will be interesting to hear if he had a criminal history, or would have passed background checks, anyway. the idea of allowing teachers to be armed if they so desire has been discussed before and is in effect at the college level in some states. school police are usually limited to high schools. even so, killing 30 people takes a dedicated and trained person less than a minute, whether he uses a gun, a car, a bomb, fire, some airplanes, or a machete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre

8+13 in japan with a knife

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29

21+90 with knives in china

Analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kind of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents

http://www.spartancops.com/edged-weapon-mass-murder/

The average mass murder/attempt knife incident resulted in 16 casualties. In 92% of the cases, the specific weapon of choice was a knife. The remaining 8% was by a single actor with a meat cleaver who caused 9 murders and 12 wounded.

http://stephenewright.com/fromthebluff/2008/10/23/the-butcher%E2%80%99s-bill-%E2%80%93-non-gun-mass-murders/

as can be seen below, the largest mass murders in every category were committed not with firearms, but with explosives.

Worst School Massacre in US history:

Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commerical airliners. ~3,000 people dead.

Worldwide:

Daegu subway fire, Daegu, South Korea: 2/18/2003. 198 killed, 147 injured. A 56 year old unemployed taxi driver, dissatisfied with his medical treatment, sets fire to a crowded train.

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[Penny Lane 8,159]

IMHO, this incident was prolly brought on by the extensive coverage other recent events have garnered on TV news, but who is going to call them on that one?

You are seriously blaming the media for this?

Good lord. That's insane. The world you live in is a delusional one. You're clinging to your beloved guns so tightly that you aren't making sense.

Edited December 14, 2012 by Evylin

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

You are seriously blaming the media for this?

Good lord. That's insane. The world you live in is a delusional one. You're clinging to your beloved guns so tightly that you aren't making sense.

You keep forgetting, guns are completely innocent of all these murders.

[justashooter 430]

Probably should point out that gun ownership is in decline in the US....ie its not increasing.

you may be a liscensed dealer in kali, and that may be the trend in kail, but the national trend has been to increased numbers of owners per capita and dramatically increased numbers of firearms for the last 20 years, with over 40% of households reporting at least 1 gun owned. an estimated 350 million in current circulation.

so they say we can't deport 20 million illegal aliens. how do they think we will ever give up 350 million legal firearms?

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You keep forgetting, guns are completely innocent of all these murders.

Guns are not sentient, thus they can not be held guilty or non-guilty. When is the last time someone sued or arrested or gave a death sentence to a gun?

[aaydrian 479]

You are seriously blaming the media for this?

Good lord. That's insane. The world you live in is a delusional one. You're clinging to your beloved guns so tightly that you aren't making sense.

I kinda understand what he's saying. Sometimes it's quiet and as soon as 1 then 2 incidents happen there's a flair up of similar crimes. It's like 1 person does it and the others find strength to carry out their plans.

But the fact remain that there was intention .

Edited December 14, 2012 by aaydrian

[Penny Lane 8,159]

You keep forgetting, guns are completely innocent of all these murders.

Of course they are. There's a reason people go on mass killing sprees with guns and not knives, baseball bats, or CARS.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

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Guns are not sentient, thus they can not be held guilty or non-guilty. When is the last time someone sued or arrested or gave a death sentence to a gun?

Give it time, someone will find a way soon enough.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I kinda understand what he's saying. Sometimes it's quiet and as soon as 1 then 2 incidents happen there's a flair up of similar crimes. It's like 1 person does it and the others find strength to carry out their plans.

I think it's just as silly as blaming violent behavior in children on video games. The news can't make you do anything you don't want to do.

Edited December 14, 2012 by Evylin

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Give it time, someone will find a way soon enough.

Well, if corporations can be people...

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

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Well, if corporations can be people...

Then give some binders full of women!