NEWTOWN, CONNECTICUT SCHOOLS IN LOCKDOWN AFTER SHOOTING AT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

What kind of a "mental health" issue do you think autism is?

What is your point? I said "autism and mental health issues" just as the news said. Do you have some clarification on that?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

My uncle was a tunnel rat and his preferred weapon was a sawed off shotgun with a pistol grip, very effective and deadly in tight spaces. I think they need to focus some of this attention on early detection and intervention of children and teenagers who show the potential for mental illness also, perhaps stop giving out participation trophies and allow children to learn at an early age that life is not fair and not everyone is a winner. Then maybe these young adults will not totally freak out when they get a taste of reality and be more capable of dealing with their issues without medication or violence.

Amen you get it. Also kids need discipline. Not to mention a system of entitlements that has destroyed the nuclear family.

It is frustrating trying to explain to someone that know nothing about weapons and weapons systems, that must of what the media says about weapons is BS

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Well, I guess I've said my piece(pun intended) on the subject. It's exhausting having the same arguments over and over with the same result. There's a name for it too... oh yeah INSANITY lol

I guess maybe I'll pop in when the NeXT mass killing occurs. We'll go around again.

I really want to say that I don't need convincing. I think the ones that really need to be convinced that we need no gun control are those pesky gun violence victims. They are really convinced for some reason that we DO need gun control measures. I've seen several in the media from Columbine, Aurora, and some others, speaking about it. I guess they'll do anything to get their face on television again.

You think it's insanity because you are being presented with a truth you don't want to accept. The truth is the SIG you pointed at as having the teacher having no need for, is no more or less dangerous than a Tarus handgun. The shooter could have killed jsut as many people with a shotgun and a couple of Saturday Night specials.

He could have lobed a 5 gal moltiv cocktail into the class room and killed just as many. The problem and the fix lies in what is going on in our schools, families and society.

where do you get the idea that's the specific pistol model used?

Charles on CBS they beat it into the ground that he used a SIG and that was the kind of gun the secret service used, which to me is like... AND ????

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

CNN reported Sig Sauer rifle

NBC news (via AP ) reported a .223 caliber rifle.

http://www.ibtimes.c...ing-connecticut

Just piecing together all the reports.

That article also gives a little more insight about the shooter.

OH, the glouck was reported by CNN first I believe.

The Sig used was a 9MM hand gun..

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The right to bear arms was granted by constitutional amendment. Why do you think that right couldn't be modified or removed by constitutional amendment?

The constitution was amended 12 times in the 20th century. By historical standards, we are actually overdue for an amendment.

Exactly you get it also... If we really want gun control in this country then lets have a constitutional amendment and go thru the process. It is absurd to legsliate from the bench or pass laws that overturn the constitution. There is a process in place... USE IT and if it passes then so be it..

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

As I said before, if you leave something constant in a changing environment, then that constant something will all of a sudden have a different impact. We have got to figure out how to keep firearms out of the hands of people not fit to handle them. We have got to put a stop to the back-door arms dealing at gun shows. We have got to accept that more guns do not translate into more safety and security. We have got to start somewhere and be serious about it. I am not prepared to shrug this monstrous event off. I do not believe that the right to bear arms trumps the right to live. And where the former infringes on the latter, the former has to give.

That's fine if we need to change then let's change, but if your going to undo the constitution then use an amendment like it's supposed to be done.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

What is your point? I said "autism and mental health issues" just as the news said. Do you have some clarification on that?

Without being pedantic, autism is not a mental illness. It is a neural developmental issue. In my work, I am exposed to individuals with developmental difficulties, including those with autism. I was not offended by what you wrote, but a bit dismayed by the manner in which you coupled autism with "mental health issues". Just as I am dismayed by the media using the word "autism" in the same seemingly negative connotation.

Some people with Autism do have a mental illness, but they are rare. Of course it only takes one of them wielding a weapon to gain the public attention.

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

Without being pedantic, autism is not a mental illness. It is a neural developmental issue. In my work, I am exposed to individuals with developmental difficulties, including those with autism. I was not offended by what you wrote, but a bit dismayed by the manner in which you coupled autism with "mental health issues". Just as I am dismayed by the media using the word "autism" in the same seemingly negative connotation.

Some people with Autism do have a mental illness, but they are rare. Of course it only takes one of them wielding a weapon to gain the public attention.

That is why the word "AND" was used. I think most of us know that about autism.

Edited December 15, 2012 by Nola123

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

That is why the word "AND" was used. I think most of us know that about autism.

As well you may. But linking autism with any type of pathological mental illness isn't good. There's a headlline on CNN.com right now that screams "shooter had a form of autism". To me, this is like "so?".

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The local media is reporting that the young man was autistic and had mental issues from an early age. His mother had recently quit work to stay home and care for him. Why she thought it was a good idea to have guns in the house is beyond me. I'm sure if she had lived she would not be able to handle the guilt of this.

I'm thinking he would not have been able to purchase weapons on his own.

Why not? Anyone can. Why not this guy?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That's fine if we need to change then let's change, but if your going to undo the constitution then use an amendment like it's supposed to be done.

There's no undoing of the constitution required. No right is ever absolute. There are plenty of rights in the constitution and we readily recognize that none of them is absolute but in constant competition with other rights. There are some people with a strong lobby pretending that this applies to all but the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. Just because gun nuts and the NRA say that is so, doesn't make it so.

[justashooter 430]

The number of guns per owner has increased, but the ownership per person has decreased. This article was ironically posted AFTER my last post. See chart 5.

Also, so as not to misrepresent myself, I am not a dealer. I am a lowly collector of C&R - FFL03, not an 01.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/

GSS is run by a chicago university and is FTF questioning of a limited demographic. their numbers re guns are chicago numbers.

PRINCETON, NJ -- Forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993, albeit marginally above the 44% and 45% highs seen during that period. 55% repubs, 40% dems, 43% women.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

http://www.livescience.com/17737-private-gun-ownership-infographic.html

[Kathryn41 3,205]

thread closed for review

[Krikit 1,165]

Thank you for continuing the discussion in a civil manner. This thread is now re-opened.

[Ban Hammer 13,570]

CNN reported Sig Sauer rifle

NBC news (via AP ) reported a .223 caliber rifle.

http://www.ibtimes.com/sig-sauer-223-caliber-semi-automatic-rifle-reportedly-used-ryan-lanza-school-shooting-connecticut

Just piecing together all the reports.

That article also gives a little more insight about the shooter.

OH, the glouck was reported by CNN first I believe.

it's now reported that the pistols were a sig sauer 9mm, a glock 10mm, and the rifle a bushmaster. so as i thought, it wasn't a sig sauer 223 like you earlier stated. i know those are quite expensive!

Edited December 16, 2012 by charles!