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[kitkat1 5]

If you simply take the time tor read what I wrote, maybe you would understand my advice.

Information on waiver approval rates is available from many trusted place - not only from people who have been through the experience on many different forums but also from the American Immigration Lawyers Association.

From the experience of immigration lawyers and the experience of their clients, the approval rates in Manila are said to be very low. Of course some are approved. I never said that it is necessary to pay someone to write a waiver because I don't think that is necessary.

What I did say is " an attorney DOES have inside information on how waivers are approved. If they have been through the 601 process there with many clients, they know how they view hardships and how they should best be presented. Since the law does not define extreme hardship, being advised by an attorney who has a lot of experience there is just plain smart - a whole lot smarter than listening to the experience of one person on a message board. No one said she should worry or pay someone else to write the letter - only that a consultation for advice and direction is all it takes to be well educated and informed

[nathmc31 0]

If you simply take the time tor read what I wrote, maybe you would understand my advice.

Information on waiver approval rates is available from many trusted place - not only from people who have been through the experience on many different forums but also from the American Immigration Lawyers Association.

From the experience of immigration lawyers and the experience of their clients, the approval rates in Manila are said to be very low. Of course some are approved. I never said that it is necessary to pay someone to write a waiver because I don't think that is necessary.

What I did say is " an attorney DOES have inside information on how waivers are approved. If they have been through the 601 process there with many clients, they know how they view hardships and how they should best be presented. Since the law does not define extreme hardship, being advised by an attorney who has a lot of experience there is just plain smart - a whole lot smarter than listening to the experience of one person on a message board. No one said she should worry or pay someone else to write the letter - only that a consultation for advice and direction is all it takes to be well educated and informed

and when was the last time a lawyer told the truth. They are just in it for the dollar.

Seeing how USCIS does not show the approval denial rates for any embassy, how would American Lawyers know. A lawyer isnt going to give you any advice worth its weight unless you agree to become a client, so a consultation is a waist of time. If people choose to go with the lawyers thats fine also, but a simple conultation with a lawyer without the intent of hiring them is a waist of time.

Lets just agree to disagree

[kitkat1 5]

So now I see that you are anti-lawyer. The truth is, AILA lawyers share information among their members (lawyers) who share information with their clients (applicants). Lawyers would obviously know about approval and denial rates based on their client's experiences as well as based on information from the consulate directly.

Yes, consulates DO provide information on their approval rates. For example, Santiago Burciaga, Chief of the Immigrant Visa (IV) Section at the U.S. Consulate in Cd. Juarez, and Warren Janssen, Officer in Charge of the USCIS office at the consulate, each spoke at CLINIC's annual law training and talked specifically about 601 waiver approval rates in Mexico. A summary was then posted, free and available to the public, on ILW:

ILW.COM - immigration news: Update From The US Consulate In Ciudad Juarez

"While his predecessor was outspoken in his maintaining an approval rate of about 94 percent for I-601 waivers, Mr. Janssen believes that the prior approval rate is unsustainable, based on BIA case law interpreting the extreme hardship standard in the suspension of deportation context. He nevertheless believes the majority of the waivers will be approved if they are well documented.

This information was then published by the AILA as well as provided to their clients. Their clients then post the information websites, like VJ. This at least gives people an idea of what they *might* be facing.

Contrary to your belief, there are also ethical lawyers who have had the experience of filing waivers in different countries. Based on those experiences, they have learned what constitutes "extreme hardship" in Manila, for example, versus Mexico, for example. They have had waivers both approved and denied for multiple cases at different consulates. So when someone does a consultation with them, they can say honestly what their success has been like at that consulate and advise accordingly.

I did a simple, very inexpensive consultation with a lawyer without the intent of hiring her and it was the best money I spent. She gave me accurate and straightforward information and provided me a concrete list of the order of argument levels for hardships. She also told me that my case was uncomplicated, my hardships were strong enough, and that as long as I wrote a strong, well documented letter, there was no reason for me to hire her. She mentioned that she no longer accepts waiver cases in Manila unless the hardships are truly extreme because in her experience the approval rates have been very low. You'll probably say she's not a good lawyer if her rates have been low there, but since she has an excellent reputation and extremely well known in the immigration community, my take is that she was smart to no longer take cases there where she felt her clients were not going to be approved.

The information on waiver approval rates IS out there and available through lawyers, through lawyer's associations and through forums filled with people who have been through it. And there are ethical lawyers out there who will guide people accordingly. In the end, you were approved and that's great. At the same time, it's wise to advise people to research accordingly so they know what they are up against, and consulting with a lawyer experienced in their country would not hurt.

[Yodrak 7]

nathmc,

You appear to be talking about the USCIS District Office in Bangkok, which is not a "consulate authority". Consular affairs are under Department of State.

Yodrak

Bangkok is the district consulate authority which looks after both my country Australia, and Korea including many more in the region. In this case it doesnt matter whats happening in Mexico or Manila because this case will be looked at by bangkok. I was told Bangkok had a 0 approval rating also and mine came in no time.

[nathmc31 0]

nathmc,

You appear to be talking about the USCIS District Office in Bangkok, which is not a "consulate authority". Consular affairs are under Department of State.

Yodrak

Bangkok is the district consulate authority which looks after both my country Australia, and Korea including many more in the region. In this case it doesnt matter whats happening in Mexico or Manila because this case will be looked at by bangkok. I was told Bangkok had a 0 approval rating also and mine came in no time.

No sunshine, we are talking about waivers and particularly waivers for shannon65 which would be submitted to the bankok district office.

Before you enter a forum half cocked know your facts. Idiot

[nathmc31 0]

So now I see that you are anti-lawyer. The truth is, AILA lawyers share information among their members (lawyers) who share information with their clients (applicants). Lawyers would obviously know about approval and denial rates based on their client's experiences as well as based on information from the consulate directly.

Yes, consulates DO provide information on their approval rates. For example, Santiago Burciaga, Chief of the Immigrant Visa (IV) Section at the U.S. Consulate in Cd. Juarez, and Warren Janssen, Officer in Charge of the USCIS office at the consulate, each spoke at CLINIC's annual law training and talked specifically about 601 waiver approval rates in Mexico. A summary was then posted, free and available to the public, on ILW:

ILW.COM - immigration news: Update From The US Consulate In Ciudad Juarez

"While his predecessor was outspoken in his maintaining an approval rate of about 94 percent for I-601 waivers, Mr. Janssen believes that the prior approval rate is unsustainable, based on BIA case law interpreting the extreme hardship standard in the suspension of deportation context. He nevertheless believes the majority of the waivers will be approved if they are well documented.

This information was then published by the AILA as well as provided to their clients. Their clients then post the information websites, like VJ. This at least gives people an idea of what they *might* be facing.

Contrary to your belief, there are also ethical lawyers who have had the experience of filing waivers in different countries. Based on those experiences, they have learned what constitutes "extreme hardship" in Manila, for example, versus Mexico, for example. They have had waivers both approved and denied for multiple cases at different consulates. So when someone does a consultation with them, they can say honestly what their success has been like at that consulate and advise accordingly.

I did a simple, very inexpensive consultation with a lawyer without the intent of hiring her and it was the best money I spent. She gave me accurate and straightforward information and provided me a concrete list of the order of argument levels for hardships. She also told me that my case was uncomplicated, my hardships were strong enough, and that as long as I wrote a strong, well documented letter, there was no reason for me to hire her. She mentioned that she no longer accepts waiver cases in Manila unless the hardships are truly extreme because in her experience the approval rates have been very low. You'll probably say she's not a good lawyer if her rates have been low there, but since she has an excellent reputation and extremely well known in the immigration community, my take is that she was smart to no longer take cases there where she felt her clients were not going to be approved.

The information on waiver approval rates IS out there and available through lawyers, through lawyer's associations and through forums filled with people who have been through it. And there are ethical lawyers out there who will guide people accordingly. In the end, you were approved and that's great. At the same time, it's wise to advise people to research accordingly so they know what they are up against, and consulting with a lawyer experienced in their country would not hurt.

I have never said straight out do not go to a lawyer. I respect the information that you have provided, however. Out of the many many people that go through this process, belive it or not, only a small percentage go through lawyers. I know alot do use lawyers, but they are out numbered by people who dont. Thats a reality.

What I have been trying to convey to you and everybody else on this forum is not to be scared away by I601's, not to rely on lawyers all the time. Lawyers are an option not a necessity. USCIS will accept people who have legitimate hardships. People who need lawyers do make there hardships look harder are not entitled to a waiver in MY opinion. Thats why I say in MY opinion lawyers are a waist of time because your hardships are your hardships. If they arnt life changing hardships then one shouldnt be granted a waiver.

As I said previously I have seen ####### hardship letters on Immigrate2us.net and they were approved by USCIS because USCIS isnt looking at how good the applicant can write a letter, they are looking at the hardships that the USC would have.

If you cant see what I am trying to say than you are ignorant.

[kitkat1 5]

[What I have been trying to convey to you and everybody else on this forum is not to be scared away by I601's, not to rely on lawyers all the time. Lawyers are an option not a necessity.

Right - no one ever said to be scared away or to rely on a lawyer. Only that "it would be wise to consult with a qualified immigration attorney who is experienced in the 601 waiver process in Korea".

You are the one who wrote all the anti-lawyer stuff:

"A lawyer isnt going to give you any advice worth its weight unless you agree to become a client, so a consultation is a waist of time".

"If people choose to go with the lawyers thats fine also, but a simple conultation with a lawyer without the intent of hiring them is a waist of time."

"An attorney has not got any inside info on the way USCIS works so they would be denied just as quick writing her letter than she would"

when the truth is a good, experienced lawyer can provide useful, helpful information.

I think all you actually meant to say it all comes down to the individual hardships and how well they are documented - a lawyer (obviously) cannot change those.

[shannon65 2]

In the meantime I still don't know if I need a waiver or not (with or without lawyer) because my fiance is getting the police documentation translated. Apparently it's quite a lot and will take some time.

[nathmc31 0]

In the meantime I still don't know if I need a waiver or not (with or without lawyer) because my fiance is getting the police documentation translated. Apparently it's quite a lot and will take some time.

good luck with it anyway. Dont mine the bickering above. You two sound like you will be fine weather you need a waiver or not.