Oregon mall shooting leaves 3 dead, including shooter

[SMOKE 1,426]

So you think guns have nothing to do with people who lose their lives to them? If he didn't have a gun do you think he would have ran in the mall with a knife and did the same thing? Any weapon that gives you range gives you courage to do these things.

lets see. no police officer fired a shot. he ran thru 60 rounds. killed 2 other people. kills himself. sounds like a planned suicide doesn't it? maybe Quentin Tarantino and the like should be held responsible for glorifying violence. and what about the car he drove to the mall. if he didn't have transportation, this wouldn't have happened either...yah its the guns fault.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i think we should outlaw cars too. what do you think? with such easy access another vehicular homicide is a guarentee.

Yes, because the primary purpose of a car is to be used as a weapon. Its use as a means of transportation is certainly secondary.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Yes, because the primary purpose of a car is to be used as a weapon. Its use as a means of transportation is certainly secondary.

keep going. you almost got there. its not the car or the gun, its the person in control of it.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

you people are sad. a nutter decides to kill himself & take a few people with him. and its the 'guns' fault. its not the murderer shooting the gun, but its the guns fault.

These "nutters" are doing this on a nearly daily basis in the US. Not always in a public place like a movie theater or a mall, but gun violence cannot be ignored. And I don't necessarily believe it's the gun's fault. It's the murderer's fault and it's a shame he had such easy access to a weapon.

Why do you think America has such a problem with gun violence? Other countries with similar or even softer gun laws don't kill people the way Americans do.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

keep going. you almost got there. its not the car or the gun, its the person in control of it.

Bullshite. There's a difference between a car and gun. True, both have the potential to kill - as most any object does - but only one of the two is made specifically for that purpose. And it isn't the car. It's also not like people go on murdering missions with their cars. The tool of choice is almost exclusively a firearm. Firearms that any nutcase in this country has easy access to.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

i think we should outlaw cars too. what do you think? with such easy access another vehicular homicide is a guarentee.

Post statistics that say mass murders happen when people use vehicles to do it, and then post it next to gun violence.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2121660,00.html

Gun violence in America is off the chart compared with every other country on the planet. The gun-homicide rate per capita in the U.S. is 30 times that of Britain and Australia, 10 times that of India and four times that of Switzerland. When confronted with such a large deviation, a scholar would ask, Does America have some potential cause for this that is also off the chart? I doubt that anyone seriously thinks we have 30 times as many crazy people as Britain or Australia. But we do have many, many more guns.

There are 88.8 firearms per 100 people in the U.S. In second place is Yemen, with 54.8, then Switzerland with 45.7 and Finland with 45.3. No other country has a rate above 40. The U.S. handgun-ownership rate is 70% higher than that of the country with the next highest rate.

The effect of the increasing ease with which Americans can buy ever more deadly weapons is also obvious. Over the past few decades, crime has been declining, except in one category. In the decade since 2000, violent-crime rates have fallen by 20%, aggravated assault by 21%, motor-vehicle theft by 44.5% and nonfirearm homicides by 22%. But the number of firearm homicides is essentially unchanged. What can explain this anomaly except easier access to guns?

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2121660,00.html#ixzz2EqvTPdaq

[decocker 7,198]

americans place very little importance on mental health and social care services. we do not like to pay for people to stay sane if they can't afford it. this apathy towards the mentally ill and disenfranchised tends to push some folk off the deep end and the trend appears to be taking others down with you..

i completely believe that a person in this mindset will find some way to carry out their end. having access to a gun is not the issue.

[Harsh_77 718]

They always post the stories when someone defends themselves or their homes with a gun, but never post the stories when guns are used for the bad things.

You are doing the job by posting stories against the Gun ownership....

You cannot expect same person to post pro and against guns.

Restriction on Gun ownership only blocks legitimate Gun owners... for criminal and ppl with mental problem tougher gun laws would not do anything.

[Karee 4,190]

Seems you can't "un-ring" a bell. The guns are already out there. So what to do now? It's not like if you pass laws against firearms, all the people that illegally posess them are just gonna say "fine, where do I turn in my gun?"

[Penny Lane 8,159]

You are doing the job by posting stories against the Gun ownership....

You cannot expect same person to post pro and against guns.

Restriction on Gun ownership only blocks legitimate Gun owners... for criminal and ppl with mental problem tougher gun laws would not do anything.

I'm not against gun ownership.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

americans place very little importance on mental health and social care services. we do not like to pay for people to stay sane if they can't afford it. this apathy towards the mentally ill and disenfranchised tends to push some folk off the deep end and the trend appears to be taking others down with you..

i completely believe that a person in this mindset will find some way to carry out their end. having access to a gun is not the issue.

But the relative ease with a gun is what makes this more of a reality than a fantasy within someone's mind. Think about it, there are so many ways to kill a human being, but with a gun how much skill do you need to accomplish your goal? If someone wants to kill themselves and others, the easiest way is detonating a bomb, or using an gun(automatic or regular). How far would you get if you just ran in the mall with a knife, or an ax? You might get one or two people before the herd mentality kicks in and you are overpowered. Guns give folks the sense of ease that makes them think they can achieve more carnage, you can't get close before getting shot is what most people think. If James Holmes went in the theatre with a knife, do you really think he would have killed 19 people? The kids from Columbine wouldn't have made it too far with anything else besides a gun.

[Teddy B 17,252]

americans place very little importance on mental health and social care services. we do not like to pay for people to stay sane if they can't afford it. this apathy towards the mentally ill and disenfranchised tends to push some folk off the deep end and the trend appears to be taking others down with you..

i completely believe that a person in this mindset will find some way to carry out their end. having access to a gun is not the issue.

Sad part about this is there are usually a handful of people who know the person needs help before something like this happens, but do little or nothing about it. And then when a select few do decide to try and help, it ends up falling on deaf ears.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Bullshite. There's a difference between a car and gun. True, both have the potential to kill - as most any object does - but only one of the two is made specifically for that purpose. And it isn't the car. It's also not like people go on murdering missions with their cars. The tool of choice is almost exclusively a firearm. Firearms that any nutcase in this country has easy access to.

no its realshit & trueshit. neithers primary purpose is to kill someone. a disturbed person hell bent on killing someone can use either to do it. you just can't let a chance to condemn guns & gun owners go by...its sad

Edited December 12, 2012 by SMOKE

[Penny Lane 8,159]

no its realshit & trueshit. neithers primary purpose is to kill someone. a disturbed person hell bent on killing someone can use either to do it. you just can't let a chance to condemn guns & gun owners go by...its sad

What is the primary purpose of a gun?