Two Sets of Rules: Obama’s Criminal, Illegal Alien Uncle May Get to Stay

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

How do you know? There is no evidence otherwise either yet you are ready to believe the Obama would never do anything wrong.

Nor is there evidence that he does receive any benefit. This is, perhaps, one of Rumsfeld's "known unknowns."

[Harsh_77 718]

Harsh, you seem blinded by your hatred of our president! Are you capable of stepping back from this and realizing that if this person were deported while his nephew remained president that national security could possibly be compromised? You want terrorists kidnapping this guy when he gets back to Africa and then trying to demand ransom for his sorry a$$? His case should be treated like any other and as soon as Obama is no longer president he should be back on track for deportation if that is where the system has taken this.

I dont have hatred for president.... but I have hatred for the ppl who believe everything Mr.Predident and govt officals / policitans do is 100% correct, it is like gods word and cannot be questioned or challenged.

Really deporting him would be national security... comon need better plot.

As I said in my other posts in other cases similar to his the cases are hardly ever reopened and a new hearing is conducted... so when it does not happen in other case why this case?

Other cases where DMV/RMV issued a DL by mistake or based on fake document when they realize they would revoke the DL not re-instate the DL.

[Harsh_77 718]

Nor is there evidence that he does receive any benefit. This is, perhaps, one of Rumsfeld's "known unknowns."

Well there is no solid evidence either way but he has managed to win a second hearing which is kinda unusal for such case.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You suffer from having a mind that works logically!

That's an un-Awerican mind.

How do you know? There is no evidence otherwise either yet you are ready to believe the Obama would never do anything wrong.

I haven't seen any evidence. Neither have you. Or anyone else, for that matter.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There is no investigation right now coz ppl are not questioning it.

That's demonstrably false. There is plenty of questioning right here in this thread. And I am not referring to the posts of the members but to the media links presented here. And yet, despite all the questioning, no evidence that the uncle has benefited from the fact that his nephew is President. No a shred of evidence. None. Maybe we ought to consider the possibility that the President has NOTHING to do with any of this. Innocent until proven guilty is the still standing principle in this land, yes?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

So seeing how Obama's uncle Oingo Boingo is in custody why exactly isn't he being deported back to Kenya?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So seeing how Obama's uncle Oingo Boingo is in custody why exactly isn't he being deported back to Kenya?

Due process? But why worry about the constitution, right?

[Harsh_77 718]

That's demonstrably false. There is plenty of questioning right here in this thread. And I am not referring to the posts of the members but to the media links presented here. And yet, despite all the questioning, no evidence that the uncle has benefited from the fact that his nephew is President. No a shred of evidence. None. Maybe we ought to consider the possibility that the President has NOTHING to do with any of this. Innocent until proven guilty is the still standing principle in this land, yes?

He was proven guilty long time back... now the efforts are to overturn that guilty verdict.

Judge did issue a deportation order... so why is the case being revisited?

How do you know what is the reason why the case is being re-opened?

How do you know there was no undue pressure on the officals working on the case from their supervisors, we have heard of the case where immigration officals are ordered by their supervisor to let go the illegal immigrant. - Which means things like this do happen the very oath they took has been violated by the superiors in the Govt Organization.

Due process? But why worry about the constitution, right?

when did the due process changed.... he had his shot in the court and he was ordered to be deported.

How many due process does one get?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

He was proven guilty long time back... now the efforts are to overturn that guilty verdict.

Judge did issue a deportation order... so why is the case being revisited?

Last week, the Board of ­Immigration Appeals granted Onyango Obama’s request to ­reopen his immigration case based in part on his contention that his prior lawyer was ­ineffective, according to a government official with direct knowledge of the case.

How do you know what is the reason why the case is being re-opened?

See above.

How do you know there was no undue pressure on the officals working on the case from their supervisors, we have heard of the case where immigration officals are ordered by their supervisor to let go the illegal immigrant.

How do you know there was undue pressure and how do you know the source of that pressure was the White House? That's the accusation being made without any shred of evidence in support of that accusation having been produced. This isn't the only such case being re-opened. There are others which means that the most reasonable assumption here is that effective legal representation has gotten the case re-opened.

when did the due process changed.... he had his shot in the court and he was ordered to be deported.

How many due process does one get?

One. That one process may have many stages, however. The case being re-opened due to prior ineffective legal representation is part of the due process.

[Harsh_77 718]

Last week, the Board of ­Immigration Appeals granted Onyango Obama’s request to ­reopen his immigration case based in part on his contention that his prior lawyer was ­ineffective, according to a government official with direct knowledge of the case.

See above.

How do you know there was undue pressure and how do you know the source of that pressure was the White House? That's the accusation being made without any shred of evidence in support of that accusation having been produced. This isn't the only such case being re-opened. There are others which means that the most reasonable assumption here is that effective legal representation has gotten the case re-opened.

One. That one process may have many stages, however. The case being re-opened due to prior ineffective legal representation is part of the due process.

Does this happen in other cases where judge had already ordered deportation?

You are just playing with words "evidence", "due process", "constitution" but you have not provided anything which says that anyone else in same position gets their case re-visited again as they are not happy with Judge's deportation order.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Does this happen in other cases where judge had already ordered deportation?

Yes.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You are just playing with words "evidence", "due process", "constitution" but you have not provided anything which says that anyone else in same position gets their case re-visited again as they are not happy with Judge's deportation order.

I'm not making the claim that there are two sets of rules in play because the subject happens to be a relative of the President. Seeing that I don't make any accusation, I don't really have anything to prove. Where one is innocent until proven guilty, the burden of proof is always on the accuser. You haven't produced any proof. Nor has anyone else. Means that there is nothing to see here.

[Harsh_77 718]

I'm not making the claim that there are two sets of rules in play because the subject happens to be a relative of the President. Seeing that I don't make any accusation, I don't really have anything to prove. Where one is innocent until proven guilty, the burden of proof is always on the accuser. You haven't produced any proof. Nor has anyone else. Means that there is nothing to see here.

Brian P. Hale — spokesman for US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is prosecuting the deportation — confirmed that the board has reopened the case but declined to elaborate.

The board’s decision raised eyebrows among immi­gration lawyers who say it is difficult to persuade the immi­gration courts to reconsider a case that involves an arrest and a ­flagrant violation of a depor­tation order, last issued in 1992.

“With an outstanding order and a legally fuzzy plea, it’s pretty unusual for the board to reopen” an immigration case, said Crystal Williams, executive director of the Washington-based American Immigration Lawyers Association. “It’s not unheard of, but it’s pretty ­unusual.”

This is from your post with the link so I am talking about the same article.. it is not easy to get immigration board to re-open case so not sure where you are coming from and saying its normal to re-open the case, unless you have more knowledge compared to the experts who made the comments.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Brian P. Hale — spokesman for US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is prosecuting the deportation — confirmed that the board has reopened the case but declined to elaborate.

The board’s decision raised eyebrows among immi­gration lawyers who say it is difficult to persuade the immi­gration courts to reconsider a case that involves an arrest and a ­flagrant violation of a depor­tation order, last issued in 1992.

“With an outstanding order and a legally fuzzy plea, it’s pretty unusual for the board to reopen” an immigration case, said Crystal Williams, executive director of the Washington-based American Immigration Lawyers Association. “It’s not unheard of, but it’s pretty ­unusual.”

This is from your post with the link so I am talking about the same article.. it is not easy to get immigration board to re-open case so not sure where you are coming from and saying its normal to re-open the case, unless you have more knowledge compared to the experts who made the comments.

It's not easy and not common but it's not impossible. That's what the expert is saying. That would suggest that individuals without relatives in high places have achieved the same. So what's the issue? How does that prove or even indicate in any way that the man has gotten his case re-opened because his nephew happens to be the President? Right, it doesn't.

[Harsh_77 718]

It's not easy and not common but it's not impossible. That's what the expert is saying. That would suggest that individuals without relatives in high places have achieved the same. So what's the issue? How does that prove or even indicate in any way that the man has gotten his case re-opened because his nephew happens to be the President? Right, it doesn't.

Thats the exact reason it needs to be investigated if the officals were under undue pressure but you think there was nothing wrong and no investigation is required.

When on a single case two agencies state and fed seems making an exception it does raise an eyebrow.