Two Sets of Rules: Obama’s Criminal, Illegal Alien Uncle May Get to Stay

[Harsh_77 716]

The governor stepped in? According to who?

He should not have a DL in first place, how was his DL re-instated?

“A spokeswoman for the Massachusetts agency— Registry of Motor Vehicles—that reinstated Obama’s license this week said “he met all of the criteria,” but refused to elaborate on what exactly that means. When a reporter questioned an illegal immigrant getting a driver’s license, the state agency spokeswoman snapped back saying “registry business is based on registry records.”

Was the employee forced by his superiors to re-instate the DL?

It was Governor or sombody else whoever did order is making up the rules and they deciding to enforce the rules as they wish.

If he should have been deported decades ago and wasn't, I have a hard time blaming that on Obama.

I m not blaming Obama... all I am questioning is why was the case re-opened?

Were some special preference given?

Also I am questioning is someone who did not have any connection and were in same situation would their case be re-opened too?

Most of these cases are never re-opened.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

He should not have a DL in first place, how was his DL re-instated?

“A spokeswoman for the Massachusetts agency— Registry of Motor Vehicles—that reinstated Obama’s license this week said “he met all of the criteria,” but refused to elaborate on what exactly that means. When a reporter questioned an illegal immigrant getting a driver’s license, the state agency spokeswoman snapped back saying “registry business is based on registry records.”

Was the employee forced by his superiors to re-instate the DL?

It was Governor or sombody else whoever did order is making up the rules and they deciding to enforce the rules as they wish.

There you go with using obvious facts on here. This is about the time that a few brilliant posters with Canadian flags next to their name start posting smiley's, changing the subject to point this topic somewhere else while giving each other a back rub.

[Captain Oates 910]

He should not have a DL in first place, how was his DL re-instated?

“A spokeswoman for the Massachusetts agency— Registry of Motor Vehicles—that reinstated Obama’s license this week said “he met all of the criteria,” but refused to elaborate on what exactly that means. When a reporter questioned an illegal immigrant getting a driver’s license, the state agency spokeswoman snapped back saying “registry business is based on registry records.”

Was the employee forced by his superiors to re-instate the DL?

It was Governor or sombody else whoever did order is making up the rules and they deciding to enforce the rules as they wish.

I m not blaming Obama... all I am questioning is why was the case re-opened?

Were some special preference given?

Also I am questioning is someone who did not have any connection and were in same situation would their case be re-opened too?

Most of these cases are never re-opened.

Or were the superiors at the DMV bribed by Rick Santorum in the fear that his homosexual affair with Obama's uncle might become public ?

Who can prove that didn't happen ?

Some States give licenses to illegals nowadays... Washington State where I just lived for four years, also lets you also marry your same sex Senator while smoking pot and then having your doctor euthanize you after dinner

Not many have availed themselves of all this (yet)

Edited December 10, 2012 by Captain Oates

[Harsh_77 716]

Or were the superiors at the DMV bribed by Rick Santorum in the fear that his homosexual affair with Obama's uncle might become public ?

Who can prove that didn't happen ?

Some States give licenses to illegals nowadays... Washington State where I just lived for four years, also lets you also marry your same sex Senator while smoking pot and then euthanizing yourself after dinner

Not many have availed themselves of all this (yet)

The question is if you were caught living illegally, if you were ordered to be deported, would your case be re-opened?

Does the Mass issue lic to other ppl who are out of status?

http://www.mass.gov/rmv/license/AcceptableId.pdf

As per their website Visa with I-94 and non-US passport is required.

[Captain Oates 910]

The question is if you were caught living illegally, if you were ordered to be deported, would your case be re-opened?

Does the Mass issue lic to other ppl who are out of status?

http://www.mass.gov/rmv/license/AcceptableId.pdf

As per their website Visa with I-94 and non-US passport is required.

Perhaps the press might ask them further on this.... there might be an innocent explanation... if he came as an asylum seeker he wouldn't have a I94 or a foreign passport...or spare underpants

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

He should not have a DL in first place, how was his DL re-instated?

The governor is probably wondering about that, too. Thanks for confirming that you can't back up your ridiculous assertion that the governor stepped in. Looks like you have done some stepping into it yourself here. Congratulations!

There you go with using obvious facts on here.

What facts are those? Assertions are not facts. Maybe in Alaska they are but in the real world, they are not.

[Captain Oates 910]

The governor is probably wondering about that, too. Thanks for confirming that you can't back up your ridiculous assertion that the governor stepped in. Looks like you have done some stepping into it yourself here. Congratulations!

What facts are those? Assertions are not facts. Maybe in Alaska they are but in the real world, they are not.

I think it boils down to people having suspicions, but instead of asking for more details, they simply construct a conspiracy theory

I would prefer to wait for details form the DMV, but there is no way that their statement of it being per the rules would have been made, if it patently was not according to the rules. It is obvious that there would be further need for explanations so they wouldn't say that knowing they would need to back it up

My money is on the DMV

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2012/12/04/president-obama-uncle-wins-new-bid-try-stay/EkbuNMEFER5sWrngSRWysL/story.html

President Obama’s uncle wins new bid to try to stay in US

He gets explusion rehearing, immigration lawyers surprised

By Maria Sacchetti

Globe Staff / December 3, 2012

President Obama’s uncle has won a new deportation hearing in Boston immigration court, more than a year after a drunken-­driving arrest in Framingham revealed that he had violated a longstanding order to return to Kenya.

Last week, the Board of ­Immigration Appeals granted Onyango Obama’s request to ­reopen his immigration case based in part on his contention that his prior lawyer was ­ineffective, according to a government official with direct knowledge of the case. Obama’s new lawyers have also argued that the 68-year-old Obama has lived in the United States for nearly half a century and ­deserves a chance to make his case.

Brian P. Hale — spokesman for US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is prosecuting the deportation — confirmed that the board has reopened the case but declined to elaborate.

The board’s decision raised eyebrows among immi­gration lawyers who say it is difficult to persuade the immi­gration courts to reconsider a case that involves an arrest and a ­flagrant violation of a depor­tation order, last issued in 1992.

Framingham police arrested Obama for drunken driving in August 2011, and he later admit­ted in court that prosecutors had sufficient facts to bring the charge against him. But the drunken driving charge will be dismissed as long as he complies with terms of his sentence, including a year of probation that ends in March.

“With an outstanding order and a legally fuzzy plea, it’s pretty unusual for the board to reopen” an immigration case, said Crystal Williams, executive director of the Washington-based American Immigration Lawyers Association. “It’s not unheard of, but it’s pretty ­unusual.”

Scott Bratton, one of Obama’s lawyers at the ­Margaret Wong law firm in Cleveland, said Monday night: “We are obviously extremely pleased with the board’s decision. This will allow him to pursue his application for permanent resident status.”

Lauren Alder Reid, the courts’ chief counsel for legislative and public affairs, said she could not comment on the immi­gration case or say when a hearing would be scheduled because case information is generally protected by federal privacy provisions, unless the immigrant or his representative ­authorizes its release.

Because immigration court records are generally closed to the public, it is unclear what evi­dence the board reviewed to support Obama’s claim that his lawyer was ineffective. The government official who provided the reasons behind the board’s decision spoke on condition of anonymity because that person was not authorized to speak to reporters.

However, prior immigration judges’ rulings in Obama’s case obtained by the Globe under the Freedom of Information Act show that the Board of Immigration Appeals criticized his lawyer, Joseph F. O’Neil, in 1992 for failing to file a legal brief to support Obama’s ­appeal.

“Counsel for the respondent has in no meaningful way identified the basis of the appeal from the decision of the immigration judge,” the board said.

O’Neil, a veteran immigration lawyer and an adjunct law professor, died in 2008. Ralph J. Smith, a former ­associate of O’Neil’s who handled Obama’s deportation proceedings before the appeal, said in a phone interview Monday that he did not remember Obama’s case. But he described O’Neil as a strong immigration lawyer with decades of experience.

“When they say ineffective counsel, that’s something that’s being used just to make an ­appeal going,” said Smith, now 90 and retired. “It throws the ball over to the other side.”

Obama is the second relative of President Obama to face depor­tation in the Boston immi­gration court. The president’s aunt Zeituni Onyango was discovered in Boston’s public housing in violation of a depor­tation order just before the president won election in 2008. She won asylum in 2010 based in part on the exposure of her case to the public.

On Monday, critics said ­Onyango Obama appeared to be getting a special deal. Instead of deporting him, which happens frequently to other immi­grants with deportation orders, Immigration and Customs released him from immi­gration detention. He obtained a federal work permit and a state hardship driver’s license, since his own was temporarily revoked, so that he could return to work at a liquor store.

After his arrest, Framingham police said Obama told them: “I think I will call the White House.”

“He would seem to fit the criteria of someone we would want to remove,” said Ira ­Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which favors stricter limits on immigration. “And yet even in this case the system bends to his will and he gets another hearing.”

The president was not close to his late father’s side of the family, but he wrote about them in his 1995 memoir, “Dreams from My Father.”

But immigration lawyers said the fact that Obama is related to the president could bolster a potential argument that it would be unsafe for him to ­return to Kenya.

“Anyone who’s related to the president of the United States technically is at risk,” said ­Matthew Maiona, a Boston immi­gration lawyer.

Obama’s immigration history is a bit of mystery because immigration court files are closed to the public. According to the earlier judges’ decisions obtained by the Globe, an immi­gration judge first ordered him deported in October 1986 because he had no legal basis to stay and no special factors, such as American-­born children, that would allow the judge to let him stay.

Onyango Obama came to America at age 17, in October 1963, to study at an elite boys’ school in Cambridge. According to the judge’s decision, he was supposed to have left the United States by Dec. 24, 1970.

Instead, Obama worked from 1973 to September 1984, when immigration officials found him, according to the court’s decision. In 1989, the judge again ordered him deported, and three years later the Board of Immigration ­ppeals dismissed his appeal.

Edited December 11, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[Captain Oates 910]

The more we know the more questions are raised.. but no suggestions are to why all those decades went by with no attempt to actually remove him...

He was related to a young pot smoking "child of a single parent" Hawaiian student, but it doesn't make sense that this would help him ?

Unless Barry IS the antichrist and the destroyer of worlds

The fact that all this happened before Baz came on the scene kills the conspiracy TOTALLY

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

The more we know the more questions are raised.. but no suggestions are to why all those decades went by with no attempt to actually remove him...

He was related to a young pot smoking "child of a single parent" Hawaiian student, but it doesn't make sense that this would help him ?

Unless Barry IS the antichrist and the destroyer of worlds

The fact that all this happened before Baz came on the scene kills the conspiracy TOTALLY

Let's pretend all of us on this thread have an IQ above a peanut and that none of us had a recent lobotomy. To add to that let's suggest that all of us here read English. So that would tell us that looking at that article I posted up above that not all of this happened before Obama took office, like the DWI and the rehearing of the case. Facts always looks nicer when you post them.

[Captain Oates 910]

Let's pretend all of us on this thread have an IQ above a peanut and that none of us had a recent lobotomy. To add to that let's suggest that all of us here read English. So that would tell us that looking at that article I posted up above that not all of this happened before Obama took office, like the DWI and the rehearing of the case. Facts always looks nicer when you post them.

Reference your comment: "Let's pretend all of us on this thread have an IQ above a peanut and that none of us had a recent lobotomy."----

I think you have supplied enough evidence to discount that possibility.

So we have an ongoing situation lasting decades and it is still going on; however what the conspiracists fail to address is why all this happened decade after decade when Barry was a nobody.

For any allegations or conspiracies to stand, this HAS to be addressed.

Why do the conspiracist shrink from offering an explanation ?

Could it be something to do with the first line of this post ?

If nobody can say why the decades passed and nothing happened, then any link to Barry concerning recent events must automatically be regarded as ill will for party political purposes

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Reference your comment: "Let's pretend all of us on this thread have an IQ above a peanut and that none of us had a recent lobotomy."----

I think you have supplied enough evidence to discount that possibility.

So we have an ongoing situation lasting decades and it is still going on; however what the conspiracists fail to address is why all this happened decade after decade when Barry was a nobody.

For any allegations or conspiracies to stand, this HAS to be addressed.

Why do the conspiracist shrink from offering an explanation ?

Could it be something to do with the first line of this post ?

If nobody can say why the decades passed and nothing happened, then any link to Barry concerning recent events must automatically be regarded as ill will for party political purposes

Should I re-post that news article in larger font or did you lie about being raised in England where the English language prevails.

[Captain Oates 910]

Should I re-post that news article in larger font or did you lie about being raised in England where the English language prevails.

You are just posting one insult after another and you need to pack that in because if you don't, you will find that my command of English is more than adequate to deal with the likes of you

I read your post but you are obsessed with the recent years and you are ignoring all the previous decades and refuse to talk about them

You are so obsessed with pinning something on Barry that you ignore anything earlier

Edited December 11, 2012 by Captain Oates

[scotinmass 588]

In the interest of keeping this thread as factual as it has been up until now I feel it's important to point out that in Massachusetts we call it the RMV not the DMV.

Thank you. Now carry on insulting each other.

[Captain Oates 910]

In the interest of keeping this thread as factual as it has been up until now I feel it's important to point out that in Massachusetts we call it the RMV not the DMV.

Thank you. Now carry on insulting each other.

To further keep the thread factual, I think it should be noted that I was posting quite happily until I was told I was a liar about my origins and I could not understand English and there was more about a labotomy and so on

I am simply saying that this kind of talk has no place on this forum and I refuse to be seen as equally to blame as the instigator, simply because I object to it

If there is no place for fairness in this regard, then coming to a fair conclusion about the uncle would seem to be even more remote

Yes, carry on with the thread...

Edited December 11, 2012 by Captain Oates