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With all the theatrics going on in Washington, you might well have missed the most important political and economic news of the week: an official confirmation from the United Kingdom that austerity policies don't work.

In making his annual Autumn Statement to the House of Commons on Wednesday, George Osborne, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, was forced to admit that his government has failed to meet a series of targets it set for itself back in June of 2010, when it slashed the budgets of various government departments by up to thirty per cent. Back then, Osborne said that his austerity policies would cut his country's budget deficit to zero within four years, enable Britain to begin relieving itself of its public debt, and generate healthy economic growth. None of these things have happened. Britain's deficit remains stubbornly high, its people have been suffering through a double-dip recession, and many observers now expect the country to lose its "AAA" credit rating.

One of the frustrations of economics is that it is hard to carry out scientific experiments and prove things beyond reasonable doubt. But not in this case. Thanks to Osborne's stubborn refusal to change course—"Turning back would be a disaster," he told Parliament—what has been happening in Britain amounts to a "natural experiment" to test the efficacy of austerity economics. For the sixty-odd million inhabitants of the U.K., living through it hasn't been a pleasant experience—no university institutional-review board would have allowed this kind of brutal human experimentation. But from a historical and scientific perspective, it is an invaluable case study.

At every stage of the experiment, critics (myself included) have warned that Osborne's austerity policies would prove self-defeating. Any decent economics textbook will tell you that, other things being equal, cutting government spending causes the economy's overall output to fall, tax revenues to decrease, and spending on benefits to increase. Almost invariably, the end result is slower growth (or a recession) and high budget deficits. Osborne, relying on arguments about restoring the confidence of investors and businessmen that his forebears at the U.K. Treasury used during the early nineteen-thirties against Keynes, insisted (and continues to insist) otherwise, but he has been proven wrong.

With Republicans in Congress still intent on pursuing a strategy similar to the failed one adopted by the Brits, this is a story that needs trumpeting. Austerity policies are self-defeating: they cripple growth and reduce tax revenues. The only way to bring down the U.S. government's deficit in a sustainable manner, and put the nation's finances on a firmer footing, is to keep the economy growing. Spending cuts and tax increases can also play a role, but they need to be introduced gradually.

Before the last election there, which took place in May, 2010, the U.K.'s economy appeared to be slowly recovering from the deep slump of 2008-09 that followed the housing bust and global financial crisis. Just like the Bush Administration (2008) and the Obama Administration (2009), Gordon Brown's Labour government had introduced a fiscal stimulus to help turn the economy around. G.D.P. was growing at an annual rate of about 2.5 per cent. Once Osborne's cuts in spending started to be felt, however, things changed dramatically. In the fourth quarter of 2010, growth turned negative and a double-dip recession began. So far, it has lasted two years. While G.D.P. did expand in the third quarter of this year, the Office of Budget Responsibility, an independent economic agency that Osborne set up, has said that it expects another decline in the current quarter. For 2013, the O.B.R. is forecasting G.D.P. growth of just 1.3 per cent. With the economy so weak, the O.B.R. says that the unemployment rate will tick up from eight per cent to 8.2 per cent next year.

That austerity has led to recession is undeniable. Despite the Bank of England slashing interest rates and adopting a policy of quantitative easing, consumer and investment spending have remained depressed. Osborne places much of the blame on continental Europe, Britain's biggest trading partner, but that's a lame excuse. It was perfectly clear back in 2010 that Europe was headed for trouble. The proper reaction to a negative external shock is to loosen fiscal policy, not tighten it, much less tighten it violently. But Osborne was determined to go ahead with his grisly exercise in pre-Keynesian economics.

If all the pain he has inflicted had transformed Britain's fiscal position, his policies could perhaps be defended. But that hasn't happened. Back in 2009, the O.B.R. predicted that by the end of 2013-2014, the deficit would have fallen to 3.5 per cent of G.D.P. Now, the O.B.R. says that the actual figure will be 6.1 per cent. And since most of its forecasts have proved too optimistic, this might well be another underestimate. Even by Osborne's preferred measure, which adjusts the headline figure for the state of the economy and doesn't count capital spending, the deficit won't be eliminated before 2016-17 at the earliest. The debt-to-G.D.P. ratio, which Osborne originally said would peak at about seventy per cent, has now hit seventy-five per cent, and it is forecast to come close to eighty per cent in 2015-2016. It was supposed to start falling next year. Now, it is set to keep climbing until at least 2017-2018.

A comparison with what has happened on this side of the Atlantic is illuminating. For the purposes of the natural experiment, the U.S. can be thought of as the control. In adopting a fiscal stimulus of gradually declining magnitude over the past four years, the Obama Administration has administered what was, until recently, the standard medicine for a sick economy.

As one would have expected on the basis of the textbooks, the American economy, while hardly racing ahead, has fared considerably better than its British counterpart. Between 2010 and 2012, G.D.P. growth here has averaged about 2.1 per cent. For the U.K., the figure is 0.9 per cent. What may be more surprising—at least to those of you who have been listening to the deficit hawks—is that the United States, while sticking with Keynesian stimulus policies, has also managed to bring down the size of its deficit, relative to G.D.P., almost as rapidly as hairshirt Britain has. Back in 2009, at the depths of the recession, both countries had double-digit deficits. Today, the U.S. deficit stands at about seven per cent of G.D.P., and the British deficit is about five per cent of G.D.P. But with the U.S. growing faster than the U.K,. the gap is set to close. Next year, according to the latest forecasts from the Congressional Budget Office and the O.B.R., the U.S. deficit will be considerably smaller than the U.K. deficit: four per cent of G.D.P. compared to six per cent.

Let's go over that one more time. Having adopted the policies of Keynes in response to a calamitous recession, the United States has grown more than twice as fast during the past three years as Britain, which adopted the economics of Hoover (and Paul Ryan). Meanwhile, the gaping hole in the two countries' budgets has declined at roughly the same rate, and next year the U.S. will be in better fiscal shape than its old ally.

Read more: http://www.newyorker...l#ixzz2EUPzTjbN

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Ireland is on its sixth austerity budget, and pretty much the same for Greece, Portugal, Spain etc, which are all firmly stuck in recession!

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Sucks when you spend yourself into such a deep debt.

If at first you don't succeed, then sky diving is not for you.

Someone stole my dictionary. Now I am at a loss for words.

If Apple made a car, would it have windows?

Ban shredded cheese. Make America Grate Again .

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.  Deport him and you never have to feed him again.

I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it.

I went bald but I kept my comb.  I just couldn't part with it.

My name is not Richard Edward but my friends still call me DickEd

If your pet has a bladder infection, urine trouble.

"Watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow."

I fired myself from cleaning the house. I didn't like my attitude and I got caught drinking on the job.

My kid has A.D.D... and a couple of F's

Carrots improve your vision.  Alcohol doubles it.

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Sucks when you spend yourself into such a deep debt.

Go on, do tell us all you know about economics in the United Kingdom.

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Way to go, Mr. Osborne !!

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Go on, do tell us all you know about economics in the United Kingdom.

Why do you think countries take austerity measures? It's because they spent more than they have. Think about that next time before you make a reply or better yet google "austerity".

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Hey Stevie,

Why don't you run up every credit card you have to it's max, then live in austerity to pay them off.

When you're eating beans and rice during the austerity phase will you be honest and blame it on the spending or ignorant and blame it on the austerity?

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"I want to take this opportunity to mention how thankful I am for an Obama re-election. The choice was clear. We cannot live in a country that treats homosexuals and women as second class citizens. Homosexuals deserve all of the rights and benefits of marriage that heterosexuals receive. Women deserve to be treated with respect and their salaries should not depend on their gender, but their quality of work. I am also thankful that the great, progressive state of California once again voted for the correct President. America is moving forward, and the direction is a positive one."

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10162176

EU austerity drive country by country

21 May 2012 Last updated at 11:46 ET

Europe is in the grip of tough austerity measures - some of the deepest public sector cuts for a generation.

The colossal debts and rock-bottom growth of eurozone "periphery" nations - especially Greece, Italy and Spain - have hammered market confidence.

The interest rates (yields) on their sovereign bonds have soared, making it hard or even impossible for them to borrow in international markets.

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Hey Stevie,

Why don't you run up every credit card you have to it's max, then live in austerity to pay them off.

When you're eating beans and rice during the austerity phase will you be honest and blame it on the spending or ignorant and blame it on the austerity?

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Right, so explain how it is that Ireland's national debt only ballooned since Austerity measures where introduced?

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ireland/government-debt-to-gdp

Also be aware that the debt to GDP ratio does not, as far as I know, include the Billions lent to the countries banks through NAMA.

Ditto for Spain:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/government-debt-to-gdp

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OK, sorry. I get it now. Austerity causes debt so better to spend as much as possible (certainly MUCH more than you have) to ensure a healthy economy.:thumbs:

:wacko::wacko:

Edited by Neonred

If at first you don't succeed, then sky diving is not for you.

Someone stole my dictionary. Now I am at a loss for words.

If Apple made a car, would it have windows?

Ban shredded cheese. Make America Grate Again .

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.  Deport him and you never have to feed him again.

I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it.

I went bald but I kept my comb.  I just couldn't part with it.

My name is not Richard Edward but my friends still call me DickEd

If your pet has a bladder infection, urine trouble.

"Watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow."

I fired myself from cleaning the house. I didn't like my attitude and I got caught drinking on the job.

My kid has A.D.D... and a couple of F's

Carrots improve your vision.  Alcohol doubles it.

A dung beetle walks into a bar and asks " Is this stool taken?"

Breaking news.  They're not making yardsticks any longer.

Hemorrhoids?  Shouldn't they be called Assteroids?

If life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic.

If you suck at playing the trumpet, that may be why.

Dogs can't take MRI's but Cat scan.

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OK, sorry. I get it now. Austerity causes debt so better to spend as much as possible (certainly MUCH more than you have) to ensure a healthy economy.:thumbs:

:wacko::wacko:

Actually, it's not that difficult to understand on a small scale. Small businesses most often have to take out a small business loan just to get off the ground. It is common to run in the red until you establish patronage (like say a small bakery). Your bank offers you support services like surveying the area and showing you the amount of potential sales for your kind of business in that area, but if it's just you and your wife running the place, you are limited by how much volume and how many hours you can operate. Your could take the chance of hiring a couple of workers, if by doing the math, the increased volume of sales could potentially increase by a factor of ten, or you and your wife can take a chance that somehow you both can squeeze out more productivity from each other, but even your bank is telling you that isn't realistic and would probably set your business up for failure should you or your wife, God forbid, become ill.

Most people who run a small business where they have employees understand that you sometimes have to spend money to make more money. That's just basic business fundamentals and on a large scale, the concept is the same.

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Most people who run a small business where they have employees understand that you sometimes have to spend money to make more money. That's just basic business fundamentals and on a large scale, the concept is the same.

Yes, I own a small business with employees and I understand the concept, but I also know that if I spend more than I take in year after year after year and keep borrowing to cover the expenses and pay interest on the growing debt at some point my business will collapse.

Edited by Neonred

If at first you don't succeed, then sky diving is not for you.

Someone stole my dictionary. Now I am at a loss for words.

If Apple made a car, would it have windows?

Ban shredded cheese. Make America Grate Again .

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.  Deport him and you never have to feed him again.

I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it.

I went bald but I kept my comb.  I just couldn't part with it.

My name is not Richard Edward but my friends still call me DickEd

If your pet has a bladder infection, urine trouble.

"Watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow."

I fired myself from cleaning the house. I didn't like my attitude and I got caught drinking on the job.

My kid has A.D.D... and a couple of F's

Carrots improve your vision.  Alcohol doubles it.

A dung beetle walks into a bar and asks " Is this stool taken?"

Breaking news.  They're not making yardsticks any longer.

Hemorrhoids?  Shouldn't they be called Assteroids?

If life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic.

If you suck at playing the trumpet, that may be why.

Dogs can't take MRI's but Cat scan.

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Yes, I own a small business with employees and I understand the concept, but I also know that if I spend more than I take in year after year after year and keep borrowing to cover the expenses and pay interest on the growing debt at some point my business will collapse.

Do you understand the concept of not cutting back on essential services, while making good on the bad debts of other businesses?

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Why do you think countries take austerity measures? It's because they spent more than they have. Think about that next time before you make a reply or better yet google "austerity".

I'm serious. I think Neonred should tell us what he knows about UK economics. It's a bit more complicated than "austerity". (As most economies usually are).

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