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[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

If only Zimmerman had followed the instructions he received from the 911 operator, he would not have murdered an innocent man.

Not taking the advice from a $10 an hour 911 operator is not breaking the law by any means. Physically attacking another human being without being physically attacked first is breaking the law. You lack an understanding of the law and it shows in your post.

[SMOKE 1,426]

TM got busted for weed. Since when did weed make someone violent?

let a smoker catch you pinching their stash. then ask that question again.

[aaydrian 479]

All speculation on your part. Call 911 if you feel your life is in danger. Do not physically attack someone unless being physically attacked first. That is the law.

Hence why it could be said TM was defending himself against GM who attacked or threatened the dead boy's life first.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

All speculation on your part. Call 911 if you feel your life is in danger. Do not physically attack someone unless being physically attacked first. That is the law.

When that car was riding playing loud music, did you call the police? No, you threw a rock at the car and hit the back of it. By that action, you are breaking the law, those guys in the car had every right to get out and get at you, but what happened? You pulled your gun out and they retreated, because you used a gun before they even came near you. When that guy put a gun in your face, did you call 911 to have him arrested? No? You went and beat him up. How can you quote the law when in those situation you didn't call the police you handled it yourself. Just like TM was trying to do.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

You must be new to the United States of America and it's laws. In this country (USA) it's not against the law to question someone. If a person feels threatened by someone they are advised to call 911 and not to physically attack another human being seeing how that is against the law. It may be different in Canada and if it is then I can understand your thoughts on this. Now you know so no reason to make that mistake yourself.

I did not say or imply that it was against the law to question someone. I said Zimmerman, with his following and questioning, initiated the conflict. He would not let Martin simply keep walking. We have no idea if Zimmerman was aggressive in his questioning or not, what we do know is that he never even identified himself. Martin had no idea who he was or why he was following him. So why is it self defense for Zimmerman when it was he himself who created the conflict?

You're saying Martin should have simply called 911 and waited for the cops to do their job. Well, if Zimmerman had done that as well, there'd be no conflict to speak of, would there? You're holding the two men to two different standards. A neighborhood watch volunteer doesn't get to do whatever he wants without consequence.

Not taking the advice from a $10 an hour 911 operator is not breaking the law by any means. Physically attacking another human being without being physically attacked first is breaking the law. You lack an understanding of the law and it shows in your post.

Why do you keep mentioning the $10 an hour 911 operator? He called 911, they said they didn't need him to follow him. And he did anyway. A mistake on his part.

When that car was riding playing loud music, did you call the police? No, you threw a rock at the car and hit the back of it. By that action, you are breaking the law, those guys in the car had every right to get out and get at you, but what happened? You pulled your gun out and they retreated, because you used a gun before they even came near you. When that guy put a gun in your face, did you call 911 to have him arrested? No? You went and beat him up. How can you quote the law when in those situation you didn't call the police you handled it yourself. Just like TM was trying to do.

The different standards some people have for others never fails to make me laugh. A kid playing loud music and it's perfectly okay to throw rocks at a car or flash a gun at them. A guy being followed in the dark by a stranger and being questioned simply should have called 911 like a reasonable person!

[^_^ 5,021]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't take advice from people who make less than I do.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Do that and there's always the chance you will end up shot and possibly killed. Kind of like TM did. Learn from your mistakes...if you don't die from them first.

And there's a 100% chance that a person shooting someone to death for giving him a bloody nose will be prosecuted for murder. It's called excessive force and it does come into play.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

And there's a 100% chance that a person shooting someone to death for giving him a bloody nose will be prosecuted for murder. It's called excessive force and it does come into play.

Not hardly. It's called self defense. It's why people pack. In order to defend themselves from further physical violence that may or may not cause death to the one being physically attacked...as in being beaten to death.

Edited December 5, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

let a smoker catch you pinching their stash. then ask that question again.

Or, ask that deer or pig that gets too close to the marijuana patch. There are certain parts of California where if you notice that skunky smell, you quietly walk back the way you came, praying to God nobody noticed you going that way.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So, why didn't you simply call the police when those thugs were driving past your house with their music thumping?

[aaydrian 479]

Not hardly. It's called self defense. It's why people pack. In order to defend themselves from further physical violence that may or may not cause death to the one being physically attacked...as in being beaten to death.

When you don't start a physical confrontation.

[aaydrian 479]

So, why didn't you simply call the police when those thugs were driving past your house with their music thumping?

Why are you asking him about that? Didn't you guys already conclude that his response that night was a fantasy? I'm sure he mumbled, turned over and went back to sleep.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

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I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't take advice from people who make less than I do.

You make more money than a parking lot attendant?

[Teddy B 17,252]

Not hardly. It's called self defense. It's why people pack. In order to defend themselves from further physical violence that may or may not cause death to the one being physically attacked...as in being beaten to death.

I suggest you read up on the law. A person is allowed to use "reasonable" and "justifyable" force to defend themmselves. Since when is shooting and killing someone for being punched in the nose considered reasonable and justifyable force?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I suggest you read up on the law. A person is allowed to use "reasonable" and "justifyable" force to defend themmselves. Since when is shooting and killing someone for being punched in the nose considered reasonable and justifyable force?

Try reading up on the law or even pick up a newspaper. If you punch your wife she can shoot you dead and will walk. You physically attack someone then they are allowed by law to defend themselves anyway possible, even if that means putting a bullet or even several bullets into your body. Again it is the law.

Why are you asking him about that? Didn't you guys already conclude that his response that night was a fantasy? I'm sure he mumbled, turned over and went back to sleep.

Funny that. It was all make believe for them at first.

Edited December 5, 2012 by Bad_Daddy