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[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

It merely indicates they are unreliable.

Since to get either statement they might have been coerced or something else. Coercion is not the only option here.

Their original statements sounded natural as if a person was speaking in front of friends. After they were paid a visit by DC feds their testimonies sounded scripted...almost robotic.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Their original statements sounded natural as if a person was speaking in front of friends. After they were paid a visit by DC feds their testimonies sounded scripted...almost robotic.

That is always the case when faced with trauma. The initial reaction - denial - is to describe the event as matter-of-fact as possible, specially if one is coerced. The almost robotic quality of which you speak and witnessed in person, indicates a higher level of acceptance upon realization of a horrible fact. Psychology 101.

Edited December 5, 2012 by Gegel

[bsd058 296]

It may indicate their original statement was coerced, hence their need to correct the record under protection of the Feds.

It might. But why not the second statement?

[JohnR! 5,495]

It might. But why not the second statement?

Both should be struck off the record and the evidence alone should bear witness to the crime.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

That is always the case when faced with trauma. The initial reaction - denial - is to describe the event as matter-of-fact as possible, specially if one is coerced. The almost robotic quality of which you speak and witnessed in person, indicates a higher level of acceptance upon realization of a horrible fact. Psychology 101.

Really? Because after giving testimonies to the cops, lawyers and even Feds on more than one occasion it never went down that way. They asked you a question and you answered it. Now the Feds were different cat all together. They laid out the story for me and my brother if we agreed to rat. Nothing to do with psyc 101.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Really?

Yep. Really. Psychology 101, pure and simple.

[bsd058 296]

Their original statements sounded natural as if a person was speaking in front of friends. After they were paid a visit by DC feds their testimonies sounded scripted...almost robotic.

I don't want to sound mean. I would just like to point out that unless you are an expert in interrogation, your opinion about what they sounded like is irrelevant and possibly misinterpreted.

Only expert witness opinions matter when opinion is considered.

Who were the witnesses? Could you post the before and after videos you watched?

Edited December 5, 2012 by bsd058

[JohnR! 5,495]

I don't want to sound mean. I would just like to point out that unless you are an expert in interrogation, your opinion about what they sounded like is irrelevant and possibly misinterpreted.

Only expert witness opinions matter when opinion is considered.

Who were the witnesses? Could you post the before and after videos you watched?

:thumbs: :thumbs:

[Teddy B 17,252]

I don't want to sound mean. I would just like to point out that unless you are an expert in interrogation, your opinion about what they sounded like is irrelevant and possibly misinterpreted.

Only expert witness opinions matter when opinion is considered.

Who were the witnesses? Could you post the before and after videos you watched?

He's got the first 3 seasons of "The First 48" on dvd, he knows of what he speaks.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I don't want to sound mean. I would just like to point out that unless you are an expert in interrogation, your opinion about what they sounded like is irrelevant and possibly misinterpreted.

Who were the witnesses? Could you post the before and after videos you watched?

It was written statements posted in yahoo news. The before and after with links to their sworn statements. First ones were natural...again a way a person would tell a story to friends, and the second ones...after they decided to change their minds were scripted by the looks of it.

I'm no expert in interrogation but Iv'e been paid a visit or two by the Feds when our roommate decided to whack a pilot here for money. He offed the guy and the FBI paid a visit since his partner was out of state and the guy who paid for the hit lived in Hawaii. Second time was when my sisters boyfriend whacked a guy up in Fairbanks and then whacked another guy in Florida. Third time was when my little brother shot a Hells Angel in the leg for screwing him on some major money...ivory for cash. They spent all his cash on coke and that was a mistake on their part. That was ####### with the Feds. As far as the local police go...lol...lots of interviews with those fella's.

[bsd058 296]

It was written statements posted in yahoo news. The before and after with links to their sworn statements. First ones were natural...again a way a person would tell a story to friends, and the second ones...after they decided to change their minds were scripted by the looks of it.

I'm no expert in interrogation but Iv'e been paid a visit or two by the Feds when our roommate decided to whack a pilot here for money. He offed the guy and the FBI paid a visit since his partner was out of state and the guy who paid for the hit lived in Hawaii. Second time was when my sisters boyfriend whacked a guy up in Fairbanks and then whacked another guy in Florida. Third time was when my little brother shot a Hells Angel in the leg for screwing him on some major money...ivory for cash. They spent all his cash on coke and that was a mistake on their part. That was ####### with the Feds. As far as the local police go...lol...lots of interviews with those fella's.

Ahh but you were the interviewee. Not trained in psychology and interpreting statements. Either way. I'll see if I can find those reports you were talking about. What were the names of the witnesses again? Even though they are unreliable I'm still curious.

Edited December 5, 2012 by bsd058

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Ahh but you're the interviewee. Not trained in doing the interviewing and what to look for. Either way. I'll see if I can find those reports you were talking about. What were the names of the witnesses again?

What were the witnesses names? Man that was over a year ago. Just google George Zimmerman witnesses. It's bound to come up. That or there is like a 12+ page topic in P&R on this and I posted that story with link on there. You would have to go back a ####### load of pages to find it but then again there's not that many topics on here that went that many pages. That and it ended up getting locked so you shouldn't have that much trouble finding it other than you have to go way back when you search.

[Teddy B 17,252]

It was written statements posted in yahoo news. The before and after with links to their sworn statements. First ones were natural...again a way a person would tell a story to friends, and the second ones...after they decided to change their minds were scripted by the looks of it.

I'm no expert in interrogation but Iv'e been paid a visit or two by the Feds when our roommate decided to whack a pilot here for money. He offed the guy and the FBI paid a visit since his partner was out of state and the guy who paid for the hit lived in Hawaii. Second time was when my sisters boyfriend whacked a guy up in Fairbanks and then whacked another guy in Florida. Third time was when my little brother shot a Hells Angel in the leg for screwing him on some major money...ivory for cash. They spent all his cash on coke and that was a mistake on their part. That was ####### with the Feds. As far as the local police go...lol...lots of interviews with those fella's.

That's a regular Mayberry you live in Bad Daddy.

[bsd058 296]

What were the witnesses names? Man that was over a year ago. Just google George Zimmerman witnesses. It's bound to come up. That or there is like a 12+ page topic in P&R on this and I posted that story with link on there. You would have to go back a ####### load of pages to find it but then again there's not that many topics on here that went that many pages. That and it ended up getting locked so you shouldn't have that much trouble finding it other than you have to go way back when you search.

ok thanks.

[bsd058 296]

Alaska back then was like the Wild West and the money was flowing. Strip joints, bars, and wh0re houses on just about every corner. Frank Calicucio, Johnny Benardi, and John McKay were the big names back then and anything went. I loved it. Drinking age was 19 then and you could make a fortune if you played your cards right. My uncle ran two bars including an after hours gambling joint for Johnny Bernardi and he always had the broads hanging on him. He got my two hookers the night before I flew off to Basic Training and had one end of the bar to the other lined up with coke. I remember him telling those gals that if he found out they tried to charge me a nickel that they would be found in a snow bank come break up time. Alaska will never be like that again and it blows for the younger ones up here who never got to experience it.

Drinking age is still 19 where I'm from (Ontario), and 18 if you are in Alberta.