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I'm a big supporter of the public schools. I don't mind my taxes going there at all. I hope they improve performance to the point where the high school graduates can read as well as my two year old can read right now.

Seriously I don't resent paying the taxes at all. It blows me away though that parents are willing to put their children in the clutches of these incompetent high-paid boobs. And yeah I have years of experience watching them because I was in the schools for years as a wrestling coach and also teaching the graduates who entered my university courses. The home schooled kids were the best, and not just academically. They had the best social skills, meaning adults ready for college-level academics and the working world. The catholic school/private school kids were next, and the bottom of the heap were the public school kids.

The football and basketball coaches showed a lot of movies in their classes. I hate to confess what my coaching colleague was doing, but I admit the coaching credential meant a lot more than academic ability. Parental involvement was critical in both the acedemics and sports - I had to be a surrogate parent to get the best out of them.

That article on Finland is just a collection of 26 "facts" and not any kind of coherent discussion. But clearly selecting teachers from the top 10% of graduates matters. If you read the Wiki article it points out that all the parents are handed three books to teach their children out of before entering the school system. That's of major importance in my ever humble, infallible opinion.

As a teacher, looking at how they let the teachers themselves design curriculum and select their texts matters. Ours is a centralized command structure that squealches individuality and removes incentives to do what works best in your own classroom.

Wiki also points out the higher pay is important, but the way they manage that is to only select the best students into their college programs as opposed to the U.S. system. (If you can't make it in a technical degree, major in education)

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Having a child from china in my house has brought a different view on many things. School is one of them. Here are some thoughts. My son had a cell phone no texting plan. Here is a study that says "The study found that children of parents who do not have a college degree spend 11.5 hours each day exposed to media from a variety of sources, including television, computer and other gadgets. That is an increase of 4 hours and 40 minutes per day since 1999"http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/30/us/new-digital-divide-seen-in-wasting-time-online.html?pagewanted=all

“Despite the educational potential of computers, the reality is that their use for education or meaningful content creation is minuscule compared to their use for pure entertainment,” said Vicky Rideout, author of the decade-long Kaiser study. “Instead of closing the achievement gap, they’re widening the time-wasting gap.”

While my wife was not a typical "tiger mom" This boy was expected to do well. He spent an average of 5 hours a night on homework.10 pm he went to bed EVERY night. He came here with a 5th grade english level at the age of 16. Our public school spends 13,000 per student. We put him in a christian school for $6000 with ESL classes included.Of course there was no football team,no million dollar rubber track. Base ball soccer,basketball were offered. You brought your own lunch. He placed in the 90's in college level chemistry,calculus,and physics.(From the local communiyt college)This school has a dress code and on fridays a dress shirt and tie were worn. No tattoos, studs, drugs or booze were allowed.There was a standard set in that school and everyone had to "toe the line" so to speak.You were gone if you did not. At the first meeting to enroll him the conversation was that the ESL teacher went home but be here at 5pm if we ask her to come in. She returned to school....along with 2-3 other teachers who had gone home. Why....they knew I was their paycheck. We looked at the public school and we had a big circle jerk ALL the way around.

I asked my son if he knew anyone that used drugs or booze in China. He did not know any students in china that used any. I understand from a student at our local public school the rate is 40-50 percent. That is at some time during the week will use it. (12th grade students)Girls dressed like madonna. My son was in a boarding school in china and felt the christian school was more like he was used to. Discipline was in force..not beatings but a set of rules that everyone had to follow.To fail was severe...Leave and do not return. Just like when we adults go to work. (only if you are an union auto worker you can show up drunk and stoned and keep your job).That is for another rant.

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What's the population of Finland's gang bangers and hoods? Is Snookie a big thing in Finland or do they actually watch something intelligent? Does Finland have a large population of non Finnish speaking illegal immigrants? Society and culture play a large role.

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Having a child from china in my house has brought a different view on many things. School is one of them. Here are some thoughts. My son had a cell phone no texting plan. Here is a study that says "The study found that children of parents who do not have a college degree spend 11.5 hours each day exposed to media from a variety of sources, including television, computer and other gadgets. That is an increase of 4 hours and 40 minutes per day since 1999"http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/30/us/new-digital-divide-seen-in-wasting-time-online.html?pagewanted=all

“Despite the educational potential of computers, the reality is that their use for education or meaningful content creation is minuscule compared to their use for pure entertainment,” said Vicky Rideout, author of the decade-long Kaiser study. “Instead of closing the achievement gap, they’re widening the time-wasting gap.”

While my wife was not a typical "tiger mom" This boy was expected to do well. He spent an average of 5 hours a night on homework.10 pm he went to bed EVERY night. He came here with a 5th grade english level at the age of 16. Our public school spends 13,000 per student. We put him in a christian school for $6000 with ESL classes included.Of course there was no football team,no million dollar rubber track. Base ball soccer,basketball were offered. You brought your own lunch. He placed in the 90's in college level chemistry,calculus,and physics.(From the local communiyt college)This school has a dress code and on fridays a dress shirt and tie were worn. No tattoos, studs, drugs or booze were allowed.There was a standard set in that school and everyone had to "toe the line" so to speak.You were gone if you did not. At the first meeting to enroll him the conversation was that the ESL teacher went home but be here at 5pm if we ask her to come in. She returned to school....along with 2-3 other teachers who had gone home. Why....they knew I was their paycheck. We looked at the public school and we had a big circle jerk ALL the way around.

I asked my son if he knew anyone that used drugs or booze in China. He did not know any students in china that used any. I understand from a student at our local public school the rate is 40-50 percent. That is at some time during the week will use it. (12th grade students)Girls dressed like madonna. My son was in a boarding school in china and felt the christian school was more like he was used to. Discipline was in force..not beatings but a set of rules that everyone had to follow.To fail was severe...Leave and do not return. Just like when we adults go to work. (only if you are an union auto worker you can show up drunk and stoned and keep your job).That is for another rant.

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Aw, look. A bromance threesome. :luv::lol:

and not one of the three have anything to add to a conversation concerning public education in the u.s.! go figure..

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exactly this. bad_daddy your tax money is going to schools near you for the most part and school districts operate with elected officials. if things are so horrible, maybe get involved in the operation. try to fix the problem instead of blaming this group or that group..

Pfft. Because the only thing you can affect is your own child. I was an elected official so I know what I am talking about. The most powerful forces politically were the public sector unions, writing one big check to fund your whole campaign whereas the opposition had to raise money individually from $50 donations one-at-a-time. I did that and creamed a long time politician in the Union's pockets, but there are 11 seats and they controlled 8 of them. The surprising thing to me was how vicious they were, and I mean a threat to your life and safety. You screw with people's paychecks and you are an enemy for life.

The idiocy is beyond belief sometimes. One day we are appropriating tens of thousands to clear trees for a playground. The next year we are appropriating thousands to plant trees on the ground we just cleared of trees. To "teach" the kids about conservation. What they should be learing instead is how idiotic this waste of money was, and how the propaganda was so opposite to reality: the kids were not planting the trees like they said. It was union employees with trucks and heavy equipment doing the work and the kids were just watching. I had the opportunity to ask a couple of kids how many trees they actually planted, children of friends who went to that school, and at first they gave me a confused look. But then they gave the correct answer: none. "We planted trees" was a lie, and this lesson was more important to how things really work than the phony conservation "lesson": look how a teacher will lie about what you can see right in front of you with your own eyes. They even put signs on the trees for which classroom supposedly planted which tree.

The only thing you can do is take charge of your own children. The worst thing you can do is turn your back and trust in the public schools.

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Pfft. Because the only thing you can affect is your own child. I was an elected official so I know what I am talking about. The most powerful forces politically were the public sector unions, writing one big check to fund your whole campaign whereas the opposition had to raise money individually from $50 donations one-at-a-time. I did that and creamed a long time politician in the Union's pockets, but there are 11 seats and they controlled 8 of them. The surprising thing to me was how vicious they were, and I mean a threat to your life and safety. You screw with people's paychecks and you are an enemy for life.

The idiocy is beyond belief sometimes. One day we are appropriating tens of thousands to clear trees for a playground. The next year we are appropriating thousands to plant trees on the ground we just cleared of trees. To "teach" the kids about conservation. What they should be learing instead is how idiotic this waste of money was, and how the propaganda was so opposite to reality: the kids were not planting the trees like they said. It was union employees with trucks and heavy equipment doing the work and the kids were just watching. I had the opportunity to ask a couple of kids how many trees they actually planted, children of friends who went to that school, and at first they gave me a confused look. But then they gave the correct answer: none. "We planted trees" was a lie, and this lesson was more important to how things really work than the phony conservation "lesson": look how a teacher will lie about what you can see right in front of you with your own eyes. They even put signs on the trees for which classroom supposedly planted which tree.

The only thing you can do is take charge of your own children. The worst thing you can do is turn your back and trust in the public schools.

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You can quad triple the amount of money thrown at US school districts and it's not going to help the kids at home watching their single parent shoot up heroin or smoking meth.

US violent crime rate is off the hook. Work on fixing society and when I say that I'm not talking about throwing more welfare money at those people, I'm talking about them having some morals and ethics. Family core is very important along with using drugs, getting knocked up when your 14, holding up convenience stores, participating in gang like beatings with other teenagers of defenseless people while filming it with a smart phone and then uploading it onto youtube. It starts at home.

Kip for chief of the moral police!!! :wacko:

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Ya ok. And for people like me that don't have kids yet have to pay taxes for school...what do we get in return for them spunging off our tax dollars? Who holds the schools accountable?

The question is not whether it is fair for you to support public schools since you don't yet have kids. How did you get your own education? Were you entirely home or private schooled?

An even bigger issue has to do with the costs to society. The benefits to all of us that come from a well-educated population and work-force are enormous. Those who would start treating public education as a sort of welfare benefit that can be cut back further and further are some of the most un-american sort there is. Widespread free public education is a major part of the reason for the success of America. Take that away and the decline will be inevitable and profound!

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The home schooled kids were the best, and not just academically. They had the best social skills, meaning adults ready for college-level academics and the working world. The catholic school/private school kids were next, and the bottom of the heap were the public school kids.

Do you understand the term 'selection bias'?

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The question is not whether it is fair for you to support public schools since you don't yet have kids. How did you get your own education? Were you entirely home or private schooled?

An even bigger issue has to do with the costs to society. The benefits to all of us that come from a well-educated population and work-force are enormous. Those who would start treating public education as a sort of welfare benefit that can be cut back further and further are some of the most un-american sort there is. Widespread free public education is a major part of the reason for the success of America. Take that away and the decline will be inevitable and profound!

Just to clue you in, the only free public education is free to anyone who has children yet doesn't pay taxes. Let's at least get it straight.

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