Israel's response to the U.N.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

So much hasbara here...

The violent resistance thing though in the past was also towards civilians and that was my point.

I'm not even talking about the rockets, or military conflict. I'm talking about suicide bombings and other such attacks in which you know 100% you are targeting innocent civilians that just want to live in peace. That's not a legitimate form of resistance and you know it.

Was it legitimate when Jewish terrorists did it ? How many Palestinian civilians were killed in Zionist terror bombings ? You already posted Shamir's excuse for his terrorism and murder of Lord Moyne (I will get to that in turn.) So I am guessing that you do think it was legitimate. After all, terror is what got Israel a country. Did you think that Palestinians didn't notice ?

As for me, I don’t condone any attacks on civilians. And I think bombs are horrific.

But it simply isn’t true that all Palestinian suicide bombings targeted civilians - they often targeted soldiers or settlers. Many bombings occurred at military installations and checkpoints, and/or in occupied territory (Don't forget that East Jerusalem, French Hill etc. are all in occupied territory.) Many of the bus bombings targeted soldiers as well, as the Israeli army uses public transportation to deploy its soldiers to and from their posts (this practice is not endorsed by most military leaders operating in war zones, as it tends to turn public buses into targets.)

It’s true that Israeli civilians died in many of the attacks; even children. This is horrific and I don't defend it or justify it. But you defended Israel causing Palestinian civilian deaths - you said they were all either collateral damage, or that the targets were hiding amongst civilians, etc.

However, Israel knew very well that it would kill and injure many civilians when it dropped a one-ton bomb on top of a 10-story apartment building in Gaza in the middle of the night, in order to assassinate 1 person. Israel knew it would kill and injure many civilians when it dropped missiles outside a school where Gaza families had sought shelter from Cast Lead. Israel has carried out numerous car bombing assassinations in Lebanon and Syria even with the certainty that these attacks would kill civilians.

But you just can't seem to bring yourself to condemn these. Once again, as we have learned, it’s always different when Israel does it.

I don't either so we are in agreement there. However, attacks on civilians started more than 20 years ago. Much more.

Um... when did the Zionists start carrying out terror attacks on Palestinians ? Again, more than 20 years ago. Much more. History does not suddenly begin the day a Jewish person was attacked.

What I meant was just past occupiers or conquerers, including the ottomans but I wasn't referring to a specific religion, I was just making a point that you can't even completely compare Israeli occupation to many occupations of the past as it simply does not do those things.

Well I guess you could say - hey, at least we're not cannibals ! But not being "as bad" as "somebody - somewhere in the world - at some point in history" still isn't any defense for what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. That's kind of like Charlie Manson saying - "hey I'm not so bad - Ted Bundy killed a lot more."

And why are you back to the Rabbi thing again? He has his own personal opinion, as wrong as it may be, which it is, and I(and I'm sure 99% of soldiers or anyone, really) completely disagree with. But it is not an opinion he offered as part of his service in the IDF, just his own personal twisted thoughts. So why should it matter, especially to me being I don't really care about religion, any religion?

You are the one who brought up rape and the IDF - I was replying to the can of worms that you opened.

And he's a Colonel in the IDF's Military Rabbinate, for crying out loud - this is not some random obscure rabbi, but a high-ranking officer in the Israeli army who provides religious services and counsel to soldiers. His opinions are extremely relevant in light of his position and influence. And it just goes to show that such wacked-out views are not an obstacle to career advancement in the Israeli army. The IDF would not even respond to questions about it - the spokesperson became enraged at the reporter for even asking. So apparently, the guy's "twisted thoughts" are perfectly acceptable to the IDF. This is the issue (not what you or I personally think of religion.)

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I'll repeat what I said all along the way...any deliberate attack on civilians by anyone is terrorism. Where we differ is on what's considered a deliberate attack on civilians.

To say that a terrorist that exploded on a bus in the middle of Tel Aviv or Haifa or Jerusalem was attacking soldiers because soldiers use public transportation is no more than a lame excuse or attempt to justify a terror attack, so I'm glad you don't condone it because I think you(and any other civilized human being) are better than that. When you walk into a restaurant or a hotel and blow yourself up you are not trying to kill soldiers, I think that is pretty clear.

As for the Rabbi, I don't really know who he counsels - probably not more than 0.1% of the soldiers if that. No one really cares about the Rabbinate besides...the rabbis and the orthodox jews. Personally I think they're useless and all they do is cause trouble. Advancement in the army, in any position, is not based upon your personal views, but the work you do in the field you have to do it. Your political/religious views do not matter for better or for worse.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I don't have time to reply to everything else yet but just about the examiner - oh please! I can find you 20 other different links all saying the same thing lol...instead of answering the question saying if you think they exist or don't, you're picking on my source

If your "20 other different links saying the same thing" are just recycled pieces citing the first article, then they're not exactly independent confirmations that the first one is credible. If you can find stuff in a legitimate source, why don't you post it, instead of all these propaganda sites and trash bloggers ???? (I'm starting to think you don't read anything else.)

Can you name any other attack by the LEHI on Palestinians?

See Cairo-Haifa train bombings (40 civilians murdered, 60 injured.)

Granted, Deir Yassin was a mess. There are many conflicting opinions and reports, but even if civilians were deliberately attacked, we are still talking about an organization that for the most part its attacks were aimed at the British(which I do not agree with either but that's not the point right now).

"Even if civilians were deliberately attacked" at Deir Yassin ?????? Even IF ????? Wow. Just wow. (I'll bet you think Holocaust denial is pretty despicable, though.)

On the other hand, we are talking about a Palestinian terrorist that was responsible for people deliberately going into a hotel to bomb dozens of civilians, among other attacks.

You mean... like when Irgun bombed the King David Hotel and killed more than 90 people, mostly civilians ? Netanyahu himself attended the celebration glorifying these mass murderers in 2006, when a plaque was put up in their honor on the very site of their crime.

Also, I was not talking about the government on either side. I'm talking about the MEDIA. You seem familiar with the Israeli media. You know as well as I do that they'd be the first to jump on, report, and question any instance where Israel hurts unarmed civilians.

That's a blanket statement, and I would not agree with it at all. The Israeli press is censored by the IDF - and many of Israel's newspapers and television newscasts repeat IDF claims as unquestioned facts (as do all too many of US mainstream media.) There are a few Israeli reporters who take a closer look at particular incidents, but by no means does the majority of Israeli media "jump on" the IDF for killing civilians - in fact, they usually accept the IDF's story (or excuses) at face value and write glowing defenses of IDF actions - which is that any Palestinian killed is automatically assumed to be a terrorist/militant. Most often, it's non-media organizations such as (for instance) Human Rights Watch or B'Tselem that catch the IDF in their lies and expose the killing of civilians.

On the other hand, on PA TV, the reporter was calling him a hero, for slaughtering innocent people in hotels and buses, big difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

There are myriad examples of Israeli terrorists being glorified in public places (not to mention being elected to the highest office in the land.) I've already given you a couple of examples. Do you really want me to post more ?

Btw, I can't help but notice that when it comes to Jewish resistance you have an easy time calling them terrorists but Palestinians are just "militants". To me any one who attacks an innocent person deliberately, whether Palestinian or Jewish, at that instance is a terrorist for that matter. That's sort of the definition of terrorism, whether you're under occupation or not, isn't it?

No, that is not the definition of terror at all (otherwise, every single murder would be called "terrorism.")

"Terrorism" is generally understood to mean deliberate, systematic and unlawful violence (or the threat of it) by a specific group against non-combatants or other unlawful targets in order to achieve a political goal. Terrorism is not the same thing as murder (although murder would certainly be terrifying to the victim.) Terror is intended to have a much wider effect than just on the victim(s) of the attack.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Oh, and yes, I am familiar with the Lavon affair.

Here's something interesting:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/yitzhak-shamir-why-we-killed-lord-moyne/

Well it’s interesting all right, but probably not in the way you intended. Shamir is admitting that Moyne stood in the way of Shamir’s (and many Zionists) desire to shove the Arabs out of Palestine and replace them with Jews, which is not at all what Britain had agreed to. So Shamir figured he had the "right" to murder him. Another example of the criminally insane...

Well like I said before at the end of the day it all comes down to you believing your sources and me believing mine and really that's all there is to it.

There’s a reason that no self-respecting journalist repeats hasbara - because it's poppycock.

I don't know about anyone else here so I can only speak for myself, I don't recall a time when my government tried to tell me that Palestinians didn't exist, or that they only arrived after people started making the land bloom.

Then you haven't been paying attention. These fairy tales have a long history in Zionist mythology:

Chaim Weizmann: (Israel's first Prime Minister)

“There is a country which happens to be called Palestine, a country without people, and, on the other hand, there exists the Jewish people, and it has no country. What else is necessary, then, than to fit the gem into the ring, to unite this people with this country?” (1914)

Golda Meir (another Israeli Prime Minister):

“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people… It is not as as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn’t exist.” (from her interview with The Sunday Times, June 15, 1969)

“How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.” (March 8, 1969)

Shimon Peres (yet another Israeli Prime Minister):

“In my youth I was a member of Kibbutz, cultivating poor land… we were poor and happy. The sort of happiness felt when a person is turning desert into garden.” (speaking at the UN, Sept. 20, 2010)

Haha Peres sounded so earnest and convincing... I bet he almost believed it himself. But look at the facts. Peres worked in a total of two (2) kibbutzes during his life. The first was Kubbutz Alumot which was in the desert. It was a failure during his time there (in other words, it was not blooming at all.) The second was Geva in the Jezreel Valley, which was a rich and fertile district which had already been blooming for centuries, under the careful hand of Palestinian farmers. Liar liar pants on fire.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Yes, they do say that the Jews developed more of the land which is true - most of it was wasteland before, as it still is in many places in this region.

You have been lied to, and most shamelessly. This is just a variation on the “Jews made the desert bloom” myth - a myth that has been deliberately perpetrated and propagated in the Israeli school system and in Israeli society in order to legitimize the continued dispossession of the Palestinian people. Not only is it completely untrue, but it completely ignores the fact that Israel has destroyed millions of Palestinian olive and other fruit trees.

"We who live abroad are accustomed to believe that almost all Eretz Yisrael is now uninhabited desert and whoever wishes can buy land there as he pleases. But this is not true. It is very difficult to find in the land cultivated fields that are not used for planting. Only those sand fields or stone mountains that would require the investment of hard labor and great expense to make them good for planting remain uncultivated..." - Asher Ginsberg (known as Ahad Ha’am) after visiting Palestine in 1891

I can post many, many photographs showing that Palestine was already being intensively farmed long before the Zionist project got underway - here is just one example - olive groves and vineyards near Bethlehem, 1900-1920:

Even as late as 1945, when Jews made up almost 1/3 of the population of Palestine, it was overwhelmingly the Palestinians who were making the land bloom:

In the fall of 1948, Israelis harvested the crops that Palestinians had planted that spring, and divided up the stolen farmland amongst themselves.

[OriZ 3,157]

Here's something from a legitimate source.

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=297107

"Even if civilians were deliberately attacked" at Deir Yassin ?????? Even IF ????? Wow. Just wow. (I'll bet you think Holocaust denial is pretty despicable, though.)

I didn't deny anything. You can't compare the amount of evidence in each case. Like I said there's conflicting reports. I didn't say that it wasn't deliberate. I simply said if it was then...

You mean... like when Irgun bombed the King David Hotel and killed more than 90 people, mostly civilians ? Netanyahu himself attended the celebration glorifying these mass murderers in 2006, when a plaque was put up in their honor on the very site of their crime.

hmm lets see...the hotel was the site of the central offices of the British Mandatory authorities of Palestine, they planted the bomb in the basement of the main building, under the wing which housed the Mandate Secretariat and a few offices of the British military headquarters. They called and sent warnings ahead of time, including one to the hotel's own switchboard, which the hotel staff decided to ignore.

So, show me a Palestinian, who attacks an Israeli government post(not a bus with civilians), AND calls ahead of time to let them know there is a bomb.

Israel has a free press. The only thing censorship has to do with is anything that can give significant intelligence info to the other side. Otherwise, anything they wanna say, they can say it. And they do. You really think they would put up with not being able to?

Then you haven't been paying attention. These fairy tales have a long history in Zionist mythology:

Again, I can't speak for anyone else, I only know what I've been taught. Also, we're not talking olive trees. We're talking developing a land...compare what Israel looks like today, to what many areas of the Middle East STILL look like(not even talking about 60 years ago). Doesn't take anyone lying to me, just me seeing it with my own eyes.

[himher 634]

"In a small courtroom on the sixth floor of Haifa’s District Court, a colonel in the Israeli engineering corps who wrote a manual for the bulldozer units that razed the Rafah Refugee Camp in 2003 offered his opinion on the killing of the American activist Rachel Corrie.

“There are no civilians during wartime,” Yossi declared under oath."

Your points, though interesting, do not seem to reflect the official and public position of the IDF. The IDF in Palestine looks a lot like the SS in Germany.

I'll repeat what I said all along the way...any deliberate attack on civilians by anyone is terrorism. Where we differ is on what's considered a deliberate attack on civilians.

To say that a terrorist that exploded on a bus in the middle of Tel Aviv or Haifa or Jerusalem was attacking soldiers because soldiers use public transportation is no more than a lame excuse or attempt to justify a terror attack, so I'm glad you don't condone it because I think you(and any other civilized human being) are better than that. When you walk into a restaurant or a hotel and blow yourself up you are not trying to kill soldiers, I think that is pretty clear.

As for the Rabbi, I don't really know who he counsels - probably not more than 0.1% of the soldiers if that. No one really cares about the Rabbinate besides...the rabbis and the orthodox jews. Personally I think they're useless and all they do is cause trouble. Advancement in the army, in any position, is not based upon your personal views, but the work you do in the field you have to do it. Your political/religious views do not matter for better or for worse.

Edited December 24, 2012 by himher

[himher 634]

Here's something from a legitimate source.

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=297107

"Even if civilians were deliberately attacked" at Deir Yassin ?????? Even IF ????? Wow. Just wow. (I'll bet you think Holocaust denial is pretty despicable, though.)

I didn't deny anything. You can't compare the amount of evidence in each case. Like I said there's conflicting reports. I didn't say that it wasn't deliberate. I simply said if it was then...

hmm lets see...the hotel was the site of the central offices of the British Mandatory authorities of Palestine, they planted the bomb in the basement of the main building, under the wing which housed the Mandate Secretariat and a few offices of the British military headquarters. They called and sent warnings ahead of time, including one to the hotel's own switchboard, which the hotel staff decided to ignore.

So, show me a Palestinian, who attacks an Israeli government post(not a bus with civilians), AND calls ahead of time to let them know there is a bomb.

Israel has a free press. The only thing censorship has to do with is anything that can give significant intelligence info to the other side. Otherwise, anything they wanna say, they can say it. And they do. You really think they would put up with not being able to?

Again, I can't speak for anyone else, I only know what I've been taught. Also, we're not talking olive trees. We're talking developing a land...compare what Israel looks like today, to what many areas of the Middle East STILL look like(not even talking about 60 years ago). Doesn't take anyone lying to me, just me seeing it with my own eyes.

Except the people who lived there are "missing".......driven out or killed

Edited December 24, 2012 by himher

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Of course Syria would say it belongs to Lebanon(to help their "resisting" friends) and my link points that out too. Doesn't make it true though.

Why would Syria claim the Golan Heights, but not Shebaa Farms ? That doesn’t even make any sense. (The plausibility factor never seems to stop Zionist fairy tales from being recited as if they are Gospel, though.) The people who lived there know very well which country they were in. I’ve already showed you how the mistake started (and the research was even done by an Israeli scholar) - and even your own link points that out (you'd have to read the article all the way through to the bottom to find it):

In 2002, Asher Kaufman of the Harry S. Truman Research Institute at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, discovered previously unknown documents in French government archives. In one, French litigants in a private dispute entered into a private commercial agreement that suggested that the border should put the Farms in Lebanon. Two other documents, from 1937 and 1939, were reports from the administrative councilor of south Lebanon and the head of the Services Speciaux in the Syrian town of Quneitra. They noted a discrepancy between the border, as determined by the 1:200,000 Ottoman map, and their view of the "reality" in the region. Collecting "unofficial information" from "various sources," they concluded that in their view the area was Lebanese. Their conclusion was based on the facts that: a) some area residents paid taxes to Lebanon; and b) three or four sheep pens in the Farms belonged to residents of the Lebanese village of Shaba. After Kaufman published his findings, an editorial in the Daily Star of Lebanon chided the Lebanese academic community, indicating that it was embarrassing that the discovery had been left to an Israeli researcher.[45]

In a book published in 1988, Moshe Braver, an Israeli geographer, mentions two French maps published in 1932 and 1946, the former shows the farm area as being part of Lebanon while the latter shows the area as a Syrian territory.[46]

So the most compelling question is: If even Syria says it’s not their property, why would Israel keep insisting that it is ?

Well.... it serves Israel’s purpose to designate that piece of land as part of Syria, because Syria is not going on the offensive to regain its occupied territory from Israel (or at least it wasn’t in the past under Assad, who apparently agreed not to do anything about it. We will see how that situation plays out in the future.)

But if Israel admitted that it is illegally occupying Lebanese territory, well that would be like admitting that the Lebanese have a reasonable grievance over which to attack the Israeli occupier. And we all know that doesn’t serve Israel’s claim of being the perpetual victim and that its continued aggression against Lebanon over the last 3+ decades are actually “defensive” attacks.

It's very revealing that Israel, of all entities, would so readily utilize the Goebbels strategy of repeating an outrageous lie over and over and over. People who suspend critical thinking and who don't take the time to verify information for themselves are often taken in by this ruse, all because they "trust" the messenger, no matter how implausible the message.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I never defend the slaughter of any civilians, I defend a country acting in self defense, trying as best as it can to hit targets that do not have civilians.

Also, I still don't see the comparison between the pics you've shown of Israeli kids and Palestinian kids and that's OK...we don't have to agree on everything.

Actually, you did defend it - you defended the civilian deaths in Gaza, and you defended them in Lebanon, while all the time decrying Israel’s enemies for doing the same thing. That's called a "double standard."

I guess you don't see a comparison between the pics of the kids because apparently Palestinian children playing with weapons is very disturbing to you, while Israeli children playing with weapons is so... normal.

Oh we get to talk about maps next

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-fatah-logo-eliminates-israel/

This is an article whining about a Fatah logo design that commemorated its 48th anniversary, which the article calls "wiping Israel off the map" and "full of bellicose symbols" (even the keffiyeh and the Dome of the Rock are "bellicose symbols," according to the writer )

Well boo hoo hoo. Have a look at just a few of the maps that the Israeli government produces - do you see the West Bank marked in them ? It's been wiped off the map, along with Gaza and the Golan Heights on some of them:

Ministry of Tourism ad:

Jewish National Fund donation can:

Logo on national carrier El Al:

So thank you for yet another eye-opening lesson in the continuing mantra of "it's different when Israel does it."

Edited December 25, 2012 by wife_of_mahmoud

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

hmmm...really...like I said before, show me anywhere else in the region that's as free and unrestricted when it comes to having access to information. Not that I need any new proof, but here's something relatively new, from this past week

http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/nz-will-vote-against-un-taking-control-internet

http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/networking/3416761/opponents-say-itu-treaty-threatens-internet-freedom/

Who voted against more government control of the internet? Israel, the US, Australia, Ireland, France, Denmark, among others.

Who voted for it you ask? umm lets see, Venezuela, Egypt, China, Russia, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, among others.

Now you tell me who has more to hide.

More glittering generalities. What does any of that have to do with the issue - that Israel is illegally occupying and colonizing foreign territory, and oppressing Palestinians under its control. You are obfuscating.

Who would actually think the fact that Israel gives its citizens more freedoms than Libya or Yemen (!) would really be something to brag about ???? Try comparing Israel to a first-world country next time, as that is what it claims to be.

But hey - maybe it can be Israel’s new PR slogan “We’re better than Yemen !”

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

And here we come to a real nugget:

If Palestinian forces have specific intelligence info about a certain attack planned to deliberately target and hit innocent people, then absolutely they would be in their right to attack the same group of people that is planning that attack

Aren't you the same person who tried to justify Israel devastating an entire country and killing more than 1100 people (mostly civilians) over what a certain group of people did ? Oh, yes, you are that person:

Israel was preparing because it always prepares. It doesn't "wait" for an excuse because it wants to attack, it just knows that "excuse" will come because it has such nice neighbors. It chose infrastructure because after it pulled out, and it said this many times before the war, any attack on it by Hezbollah would be considered an attack by Lebanon. If Lebanon can't control its organizations well Israel would pressure it to do so by attacking Lebanese infrastructure and guess what? It worked.

The familiar refrain rings out once again... "It's different when Israel does it" - but of course it's bad, bad, bad if someone else might attempt the same thing (even when it's on a much smaller scale.)

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I'll repeat what I said all along the way...any deliberate attack on civilians by anyone is terrorism. Where we differ is on what's considered a deliberate attack on civilians.

To say that a terrorist that exploded on a bus in the middle of Tel Aviv or Haifa or Jerusalem was attacking soldiers because soldiers use public transportation is no more than a lame excuse or attempt to justify a terror attack, so I'm glad you don't condone it because I think you(and any other civilized human being) are better than that. When you walk into a restaurant or a hotel and blow yourself up you are not trying to kill soldiers, I think that is pretty clear.

Again, many Palestinian suicide attacks targeted soldiers (as well as many that targeted civilians.) I don't ever defend attacking civilians (as you do.) But I don't like falsehoods, either. Here are just a few examples of suicide attacks targeting Israeli soldiers (including many bus attacks) and there are many more:

Netzarim Junction bombing (Israeli army checkpoint in Gaza) - Nov 11, 1994 - killed 3 soldiers, no civilians

Beit Lid bombing Jan 22, 1994 (bus stop described as "swamped with soldiers and reservists heading back to military duty") - killed 20 soldiers, 1 civilian

Kfar Darom bus bombing (bus described as "carrying Israeli soldiers and settlers to the illegal settlement of Kfar Darom) April 9, 1995 - killed 7 soldiers, 1 settler

Jerusalem bus 18 bombing Feb 25, 1996 - killed 9 soldiers, 17 civilians

Binyamina train station bombing (at a bus stop described as a "soldier's bus stop") July 16, 2001 - killed 2 soldiers, no civilians

Yagur Junction bus bombing April 10, 2002 - killed 6 soldiers and police, 1 prison warden, 1 civilian

Megiddo Junction bus bombing June 5, 2002 - killed 13 soldiers, 4 civilians

Meron Junction Bus 361 bombing (bus described as “full of soldiers on their way to military bases in north Israel”) Aug 4, 2002 - killed 3 soldiers 6 civilians

Karkur Junction bus bombing - Oct 21, 2002 - killed 7 soldiers, 7 civilians

Sonol gas station bombing (gas station cafeteria described as “full of Israeli soldiers who were waiting for their bus”) - Oct 27, 2002 - killed 3 soldiers

Tzrifin bus stop attack (bus stop next to military base; bus described as “full of Israeli soldiers who were on their way home”) Sept 9, 2003 - killed 9 soldiers, no civilians

Geha Interchange bus bombing Dec 25, 2003 - killed 4 soldiers, no civilians

Erez crossing bombing (Israeli checkpoint in Gaza) Jan 14, 2004 - killed 3 soldiers, 1 civilian

However, the Israeli government claimed that every single one of these attacks was a "terrorist attack," rather than a strike on occupation forces, and in press releases often ignored or obscured the fact that the casualties were soldiers.

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As for the Rabbi, I don't really know who he counsels - probably not more than 0.1% of the soldiers if that. No one really cares about the Rabbinate besides...the rabbis and the orthodox jews. Personally I think they're useless and all they do is cause trouble. Advancement in the army, in any position, is not based upon your personal views, but the work you do in the field you have to do it. Your political/religious views do not matter for better or for worse.

De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt....

I never said his religious views are what got him promotions. I said his wacked-out views were not an obstacle to his promotion, and the IDF doesn't even want to discuss it.

Such remarks about it being "ok" to rape women during wartime would definitely be a problem in the US military... especially if it was a high-ranking officer saying it.

But as always, it's different when Israel does it...