Israel's response to the U.N.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Are you also gonna say the Hamas and Jihad summer camps don't exist?

http://www.examiner.com/article/hamas-children-s-summer-camps-teach-palestinian-kids-terror-tactics

Source: Examiner dot com.

Examiner dot com's executive director, Jim Pimental, said about its content:

"They're blogs. They don't get edited. We don't give any direction to people on what to write in their blogs. And that's standard operating procedure," and the Examiner has "a less-strict standard for accuracy and attribution in stories that appear on the Web" than for publications in print.

So there's no real accounting for accuracy, and their “reporters” get paid according to how may clicks their articles get and length of viewing time. The more sensational, the more they get paid. These are not the hallmarks of credible journalism.

And if you read through the article, you see that all the sensationalist claims are attributed to an unnamed “Israeli source.” The it quotes Hamas' Isma’il Radwan as saying: "If the enemy wants to bet on the slogan ‘the adults will die and the children will forget,’ we will tell him that we shall gain liberty and victory, Allah willing.”

Wow shocking ! Palestinians teach their children that they will gain their freedom !

Next.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/un-textbooks-palestinian-children-explosively-anti-semitic-anti-american-and-anti

Source: Cnsnews.com (Cybercast News Service)

This is a story about a bunch of allegations from a New Jersey Congressman (Rep. Chris Smith, R) who is also the co-chairman of the Bi-Partisan Coalition for Combating Anti-Semitism, who was speaking at an event for the Center for Near-East Policy Research in Jerusalem (an Israeli think-tank.)

All of his allegations have already been found to be false - they are based on mistranslations, or used Egyptian or Jordanian texts for their study rather than Palestinian books. The US State Department has already said “There is no incitement in Palestinian schoolbooks.” But I guess the fraud is just so juicy that Zio cheerleaders like Chris Smith just can’t bear to give it up.

Next.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textbooks_in_the_Palestinian_territories

From your link:

In its 2009 Human Rights report, the U.S. State Department wrote that after the 2006 revision of textbooks by the PA Ministry of Education and Higher Education, international academics concluded that books did not incite violence against Jews but showed imbalance, bias, and inaccuracy. Some maps did not depict the current political reality, showing neither Israel nor the settlements. Palestinian textbooks used in Palestinian schools and schools in East Jerusalem run by the Jerusalem municipality were inconsistent in defining the 1967 borders, and did not label areas and cities with both Arabic and Hebrew names.

Palestinian schoolbooks don’t incite against Jews, however studies show that Israeli textbooks incite racism against Arabs. Also, many Israeli textbooks and official maps don’t show the Green Line, and show the West Bank, the Golan Heights and Shebaa farms (sometimes even Gaza) as part of Israel.

But clearly, it's different when Israel does it.

Continuing in next post...

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinian-textbook-debate-reaches-u-s-republican-campaign-1.402065

From your article:

Researchers find no calls for violence against Israel in PA-issued textbooks, but note that Jewish presence in region rarely mentioned; Palestinians: Our books legitimately focus on life under occupation.

So now Israel is mad that Palestinians don’t talk about Israel enough in their school textbooks, but rather teach their own history. How much time do Israeli schools spend teaching Israeli kids about the historic presence of Palestinians on the land, or how many Palestinian civilians were murdered or expelled from their homes by Zionist militias and later Israeli soldiers during the Nakba or the Naksa ? Answer: little to none.

Khatib, the Palestinian Authority spokesman, defended the omission of Israel from Palestinian textbooks. "When Israel is going to include us in their textbooks, we will include them in our textbooks," he said. "It is supposed to be a mutual thing.”

He forgot - it's different when Israel does it.

BTW, once again, a close inspection of the article reveals that many of the allegations track straight back to PMW. I will go ahead and take the US State Department's word over PMW's.

Edited December 14, 2012 by wife_of_mahmoud

[OriZ 3,157]

I don't have time to reply to everything else yet but just about the examiner - oh please! I can find you 20 other different links all saying the same thing lol...instead of answering the question saying if you think they exist or don't, you're picking on my source

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I don't have time to reply to everything else yet but just about the examiner - oh please! I can find you 20 other different links all saying the same thing lol...instead of answering the question saying if you think they exist or don't, you're picking on my source

Yes. Repeat a lie often enough, some people start to believe it. That is what you are hoping, isn't it?

Edited December 14, 2012 by The Patriot

[OriZ 3,157]

For instance, let’s take Avraham Stern, who found the LEHI group (also known as the Stern Gang.) LEHI carried out many terror attacks on Palestinians, including the horrendous massacre at Deir Yassin, a joint operation with co-terrorists Irgun.

LEHI also assassinated the UN-appointed mediator Count Folke Bernadotte (who incidentally had saved thousands of Jews from Nazi death camps during World War II) - because he wanted to implement the UN Partition Plan. (They had already decided they were going to try to take all of Palestine, and he was an obstacle to that.) LEHI also assassinated Lord Moyne, the highest ranking British official in the region at the time, and tried to bomb various British targets in Europe.

And LEHI pioneered the truck bomb.

Can you name any other attack by the LEHI on Palestinians? Granted, Deir Yassin was a mess. There are many conflicting opinions and reports, but even if civilians were deliberately attacked, we are still talking about an organization that for the most part its attacks were aimed at the British(which I do not agree with either but that's not the point right now). On the other hand, we are talking about a Palestinian terrorist that was responsible for people deliberately going into a hotel to bomb dozens of civilians, among other attacks. Also, I was not talking about the government on either side. I'm talking about the MEDIA. You seem familiar with the Israeli media. You know as well as I do that they'd be the first to jump on, report, and question any instance where Israel hurts unarmed civilians. On the other hand, on PA TV, the reporter was calling him a hero, for slaughtering innocent people in hotels and buses, big difference. Btw, I can't help but notice that when it comes to Jewish resistance you have an easy time calling them terrorists but Palestinians are just "militants". To me any one who attacks an innocent person deliberately, whether Palestinian or Jewish, at that instance is a terrorist for that matter. That's sort of the definition of terrorism, whether you're under occupation or not, isn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

[OriZ 3,157]

Oh, and yes, I am familiar with the Lavon affair.

Here's something interesting:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/yitzhak-shamir-why-we-killed-lord-moyne/

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I'll definitely try to find the time.

My point was definitely not against the kids I'm sorry if that was misunderstood...kids are innocent they only know what you tell them...I would never demonize kids...I was speaking against the adults, not the kids, whether members of Hamas or simply sympathizers with them who want to put their kids through that. Teaching your kids that is evil, doesn't matter where it's done.

Here's something else you don't tend to see in Israel. One from today and one from 6 months ago:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4319035,00.html

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4241588,00.html

LOL you really think that the people of Gaza have to teach their kids to hate Israel?! As if their kids are not seeing with their own eyes their houses and schools being blown up, their parents, brothers and sisters, and friends being shot to death or getting hit with missiles, drones buzzing overhead, the electricity cuts due to Israel blocking fuel shipments, the lack of clean water due to their sanitation plants being bombed, families living in tents because Israel blocks building supplies……

The film I linked about the children of Gaza might shed some actual light on the subject of children acting out what they see, and especially how traumatized children act out what they see. It’s very painful to watch - children playing “Arab and Jew“ where the ones who play the Jews beat up the kids who play the Arabs.

Israel is traumatizing these children - hundreds of thousands of them. And these children are going to grow up to adulthood (most of them) and they will never ever forget what was done to them and their families. They have been permanently altered by what Israel has inflicted on them as innocent children. Don’t be surprised if some of them turn violent - because that’s what Israel taught them on a massive, massive scale.

So let's have a look at what Israeli kids are learning:

But again, clearly it's different when Israelis do it.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Hmmm...does the government lie to me? Of course, I'd be the first to admit that and have already said I have issues with many things. Like every government, of course the government lies about some things. Show me one that doesn't. Does it lie more than any other government in the neighborhood? I don't believe so. I'd trust a government in a country with freedom of speech and internet that doesn't block websites before I'd trust governments in countries without freedom of speech or that do block the internet. I already know of most of what you've posted today, it's merely different sides and different opinions - if you looked at the links I posted yesterday. So we'll have to agree to disagree about that, too

All governments lie about something or other, of course. But my government never tried to tell me that Native Americans simply didn't exist, or that they only arrived after the Europeans had come to a "land without people for a people without land" and started "making the desert bloom."

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

For starters, Shebaa farms are not part of Lebanon but rather part of Syria. The Lebanese use that claim as an excuse being Israel pulled out of Lebanon completely, they needed an excuse to keep attacking it. So they found Shebaa farms. Even the UN(as we all know not the most pro-Israel organization in the world) agrees it is Syrian Territory that belongs to the Golan Heights:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebaa_farms

Even Syria agrees that Shebaa Farms belongs to Lebanon. This is what started the confusion:

Four years ago, while rummaging through government archives in Paris, a historian at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Asher Kaufman, stumbled on documents that appear to resolve the dispute.

Kaufman, who bears a slight physical resemblance to Indiana Jones, discovered a set of papers from the French mandate era from 1920 to 1941 that show that French officials in the 1930s had accidentally put the Shebaa Farms in Syria.

The papers reveal that the officials realised their error and wanted to correct the maps, which had been drawn without surveyors or cartographic equipment, but the mistake was never fixed.

...

An Israeli journalist, Akiva Eldar, urged the UN to revisit its Lebanese resolutions.

"If the Lebanese or Syrians had reached the archives in Paris in time and presented the evidence that Kaufman found, the UN's decision would look very different," Eldar observed four years ago.

But Kaufman's findings were published two years after Israel's Lebanon pull-out in 2000 and were not considered by the UN team that investigated where to draw the border.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/longforgotten-papers-may-offer-a-new-road-map-for-peace/2006/08/02/1154198206054.html

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Israel was preparing because it always prepares. It doesn't "wait" for an excuse because it wants to attack, it just knows that "excuse" will come because it has such nice neighbors. It chose infrastructure because after it pulled out, and it said this many times before the war, any attack on it by Hezbollah would be considered an attack by Lebanon. If Lebanon can't control its organizations well Israel would pressure it to do so by attacking Lebanese infrastructure and guess what? It worked.

"It worked" ?? Um... newsflash: Hezbollah is still there, and stronger than ever. They're not out of business; they’re stocking up for the big showdown the next time Israel tries to make a move to grab the Litani. They promised Israel: just try it, and it’s gonna be Tel Aviv that looks like Beirut did.

All the evidence points to Israel “waiting for an excuse” to begin an attack on Lebanon. The assault was out of all proportion - laying waste to Lebanon over a cross-border incident?! Obviously, Israel wanted and planned to try to wreck Lebanon, no matter what the excuse - it’s been trying to do it for decades. And here you are defending the same slaughter of civilians (but on a much greater scale) which you deplored when it was Israeli civilians being killed.

So how about if Hezbollah follows Israel's model and lays waste to Israel next time Israel violates Lebanon’s airspace ? (which it does on a nearly daily basis - 7000 times between 2006-2009, according to UNIFIL.) You know - slaughter 1100 Israelis with white phosphorus, cluster bombs and more, drive a million more Israelis out of their homes, destroy airports, hospitals and schools, and take out most of Israel's infrastructure including power plants, water sanitation facilities and more - all because they thought it would be a great way to get rid of Likud terrorists, and of course any attack by the Likud terrorists should be considered an attack by all of Israel, right ????! Well, I’m pretty sure the rest of the world would be criticizing it, including HRW. And Israel would be screeching Holocaust 2.0.

But, as always, it’s different when Israel does something.

In fact, the only reason there IS a Hezbollah is directly due to Israel’s continued attacks against Lebanon. Hezbollah arose when the Lebanese military could not expel the Israeli army from its territory, so Hezbollah did it.

And just as Israel’s terror groups became part of its government, Hezbollah is now part of the Lebanese government. Israel still thinks it can go around and tell every other country what they can or can’t do - including demanding that they don’t do what Israel already did or is still doing - and all the while spitting in the face of anyone who tells Tel Aviv to GTFO of illegally occupied territory. Needless to say, the neighbors aren’t impressed, and neither is the rest of the world.

Israel’s sociopathic leadership and indoctrination of its populace into believing in their own perpetual victimhood, while continually launching aggressive attacks on its neighbors - all of this makes it harder and harder for the rest of the world (people who are actually Israel’s friends) to feel sorry for Israel or defend its behavior any more. It’s not anti-Semitism - it’s what normal people think of any jerk who behaves like Israel does.

Real friends don’t let friends drive drunk. The international community has been trying to save Israel from itself for decades. And it’s coming to head. You see the difference between the 2011 and 2012 General Assembly votes on the issue of Palestinian statehood - it’s a growing avalanche. Israel’s continued aggressive behavior and flouting of international law and conventions are only isolating it further and further, and creating big problems throughout the region that cause big headaches for the rest of us. Israel will lose the US as its enabler soon enough - the process is already underway.

So Israel needs to wise up fast if it wants to last another 60 or even another 6 years - because if it continues to behave like a big infected pimple irritating the neighbors and most of the rest of the world, it will get squeezed.

Fewer and fewer Jews want to want to live in a society like what Israel has become - an expansionist Little Sparta, investing most of its efforts and money into illegal settlements and endless war. Not surprising that nearly 40% of Israelis want to emigrate (according to Saturday’s Haaretz article.) Between warmongering Likud and the nutjob settlers, what normal person would want to live there ?

Edited December 16, 2012 by wife_of_mahmoud

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Ohh Human Rights Watch. At the end of the day it all comes down to this: You believe and trust your sources and I believe and trust mine and that's all there is to it. But here are a few links on human rights watch:

http://ngo-monitor.org/article/human_rights_watch_in_political_bias_against_israel_continues_despite_wider_middle_east_focus

http://www.inquisitr.com/432411/george-soros-funded-human-rights-watch-turns-their-back-on-genocide/

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=295129

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574318344040299638.html

Once again, your links are all connected to right-wing Israeli government sources and other supporters of the Likudnik agenda, and whose central theme is that Israel never ever does anything wrong and anyone who says so is a liar and an anti-Semite. These are the people that you trust to tell you the truth about themselves ???

Let’s take a closer look at your links, because once you take the time to connect the dots, well, anyone can see what’s going on here.

1.) http://ngo-monitor.org/article/human_rights_watch_in_political_bias_against_israel_continues_despite_wider_middle_east_focus

NGO Monitor

NGO Monitor is a pro-Israel organization created to smear and harass any human rights organization that criticizes Israel, and distract attention from Israel's violations of international and humanitarian law.

It was originally part of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, which is another pro-Israel organization. The JCPA advocates Israel’s annexation of East Jerusalem, and never giving up control of the occupied West Bank or Golan Heights.

NGO Monitor also received funding from The Jewish Agency for Israel, a quasi-governmental agency which organizes the immigration and absorption of foreign Jews moving to Israel.

It accuses Human Rights Watch of being “anti-Semitic,” even though HRW’s executive director and much of its staff are Jewish. Ironically, HRW has also been accused of being “heavily influenced by United States government policy.”

NGO Monitor states that its mission is to “end the practice used by certain self-declared ‘humanitarian NGOs’ of exploiting the label ‘universal human rights values’ to promote politically and ideologically motivated agendas.”

So… which NGOs does NGO Monitor monitor ? (Hmmm... that came out sounding kinda like “how much wood could a woodchuck chuck“ ):

Its reports deal almost entirely with a critique of peace-related NGOs and especially those which focus on human rights, as though there were no other NGOs to examine.

...

NGO Monitor itself does not practice the same degree of transparency that it demands from others. It constantly refuses to disclose its own funding sources, over and beyond the minimal amounts which are registered with the official register of nonprofit organizations and which account for but a small percentage of its actual income.

And despite many requests for NGO Monitor to investigate, on an equal basis, the activities and funding of right-wing NGOs, many of which support illegal activities in the West Bank, it has consistently refused to do so. Many of these NGOs are North American-based and fund activities in settlements which are deemed illegal by both international and US law, while others support hesder yeshivot whose leaders, just a week or so ago, supported the illegal call for soldiers to refuse orders aimed at future settlement evacuation.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Article.aspx?id=161865

So it's pretty clear that NGO Monitor is the one with its own “political and ideological agenda.” And HRW has disputed all of NGO Monitor's allegations - see here http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/13/israel-human-rights-watch-gaza

Next....

2.) http://www.inquisitr.com/432411/george-soros-funded-human-rights-watch-turns-their-back-on-genocide/

This is an article blasting George Soros for funding HRW, based on a bunch of allegations made in an op-ed written by David Feith (who just happens to be the son of neocon pro-Likudnik warmonger Douglas Feith, who is also the guy who helped cook the books to send the US into the needless and disastrous war in Iraq.) It also cites (*gasp*).... NGO Watch.

The article slams the HRW director for refusing to repeat the Ahmedinejad “wipe Israel off the map” fraud quote (after it’s already been thoroughly debunked) and also includes the usual hysteria-mongering about Iran plotting Holocaust 2.0. (None of these goobers can ever seem to explain why Iran, if it really wanted to genocide the Jews, wouldn’t begin right there in Iran - it‘s got the largest Jewish population in the Middle East after Israel.)

This article includes a lot of other nonsense, and even makes references to the “so-called Palestinians,” insinuating that they don’t really exist. Why would you waste my time with someone who writes this kind of stuff ?

Next...

3.) http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=295129

This is just a different version of the previous outraged screed against HRW over refusing to use the Ahmedinejad fraud quote, and also slams HRW’s director for comparing the mullahs in Iran to Shas' Rabbi Olvadi Yosef (which is actually not a far-fetched comparison.)

It cites the exact same sources for the allegations: David Feith and NGO Watch.

What kind of professional journalist b!tches about a comparison between the fraud Ahmedinejad quote (which of course he dutifully includes) to a quote by Rabbi Ovadia Yosef - but never even bothers to mention the Yosef quote being compared ????

Yosef, for those who didn’t know, is the spiritual leader of Shas and also a wacko. Here are some of his Top 10 hits (there are many more):

* He said that God sent Katrina to kill the people of New Orleans (which he referred to as “Kushim,“ the Hebrew equivalent of the N word) because the US supported the Gaza disengagement.

* He said “The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews… They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why Gentiles were created.”

* He said “Gentiles were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world - only to serve the People of Israel.”

* (Speaking of Arabs): “It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable.”

* “All the nasty people who hate Israel, like Abu Mazen (Abbas,) vanish from our world… May God strike them down with the plague along with all the nasty Palestinians who persecute Israel.”

Then the reporter goes on another tangent about homosexuals in Iran, as if he has no idea what Rabbi Yosef thinks about homosexuals.

What a stupid article.

Next....

4.) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574318344040299638.html

This is a Wall Street Journal op ed written by Noah Pollak. Pollak is a regular contributor to Commentary Magazine (as I already noted, this is Norman Podhoretz’ right-wing neocon/Likudnik rag) and was formerly an assistant editor of the Middle East Quarterly (Daniel Pipes’ pro-Israel/Islamophobia propaganda factory.)

It has so many distortions and outright errors of fact, I'd have to go through it line by line. So why don't you quote the part you think is relevant ?

Again, these are all card-carrying members of Israel’s establishment of cheerleaders and hasbarists, working hard in a perpetual campaign to exempt Israel from all criticism. Every single one of them call critics “biased” and claim they criticize Israel more than anyone else. No really true, but Israel is an egregious offender, and that’s why it gets a lot of criticism. Of course the fact that the US protects Israel from sanctions in international forums just throws gas on the fire - Israel has gotten way too used to the idea that it may act with impunity, and like a spoiled undisciplined child, its behavior just gets worse and worse

In fact, Israel is one of the few countries that actually restricts human rights organizations. Its (now former) Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman actually yanked Israel out of the UN Human Rights Commission after it dared to start an investigation into the illegal West Bank settlements.

Last month, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman instructed the Israeli mission to the United Nations in Geneva to cut ties with the UN Human Rights Commission after member countries in the Human Rights Council voted to establish an international commission of inquiry on the West Bank settlements. A senior source in the Foreign Ministry said Israel's inclusion in Pillay's statement was a direct outcome of Lieberman's move. "This was a mistake and now we see the results," the source said.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/diplomania/israel-joins-un-list-of-states-limiting-human-rights-organizations-1.427184

So... can you find anybody who doesn’t like HRW’s findings about Israel who is not directly or indirectly affiliated with the Israeli government, or its PR people, or its propagandists ?

[OriZ 3,157]

Well like I said before at the end of the day it all comes down to you believing your sources and me believing mine and really that's all there is to it.

All governments lie about something or other, of course. But my government never tried to tell me that Native Americans simply didn't exist, or that they only arrived after the Europeans had come to a "land without people for a people without land" and started "making the desert bloom."

I don't know about anyone else here so I can only speak for myself, I don't recall a time when my government tried to tell me that Palestinians didn't exist, or that they only arrived after people started making the land bloom. Yes, they do say that the Jews developed more of the land which is true - most of it was wasteland before, as it still is in many places in this region.

Even Syria agrees that Shebaa Farms belongs to Lebanon. This is what started the confusion:

Of course Syria would say it belongs to Lebanon(to help their "resisting" friends) and my link points that out too. Doesn't make it true though.

I never defend the slaughter of any civilians, I defend a country acting in self defense, trying as best as it can to hit targets that do not have civilians.

Also, I still don't see the comparison between the pics you've shown of Israeli kids and Palestinian kids and that's OK...we don't have to agree on everything.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-fatah-logo-eliminates-israel/

Israels sociopathic leadership and indoctrination of its populace into believing in their own perpetual victimhood

hmmm...really...like I said before, show me anywhere else in the region that's as free and unrestricted when it comes to having access to information. Not that I need any new proof, but here's something relatively new, from this past week

http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/nz-will-vote-against-un-taking-control-internet

http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/networking/3416761/opponents-say-itu-treaty-threatens-internet-freedom/

Who voted against more government control of the internet? Israel, the US, Australia, Ireland, France, Denmark, among others.

Who voted for it you ask? umm lets see, Venezuela, Egypt, China, Russia, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, among others.

Now you tell me who has more to hide.

Edited December 17, 2012 by OriZ

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

So you are saying that a few rockets every month is acceptable. You sign an agreement in order for there to be zero rockets, you don't sign an agreement going alright I'll accept a few here and there. Of course the rockets during the operation were in part due to the operation, same with pillar of defense, same with casulaties, we're used to that and we deal with it, you sacrifice in the short term for the long run...The point is even if it's painful(like every war is) you are willing to deal with it for a little while in order for there to be more calm afterwards.

Read my posts more carefully. I quoted the IDF saying that - and included graphics from its official website. So (to repeat) by the IDF’s own report, rocket fire had dwindled to almost nothing, and the IDF not only admitted the cease fire was working, but credited Hamas for its success.

Of course Israel knows exactly what it can expect in return for its assaults on Gaza (as well as the West Bank or Lebanon.) That's exactly what it wants. The Israeli government is absolutely willing and actually wants to take a few casualties, because they can then be used as excuses for further aggression and oppression against the Palestinians. Israel makes a lot of noise about the "terror" of the rockets (which it instigates itself) because it wants an excuse to pound Gaza on a periodic basis (lest they get a chance to rebuild from the rubble,) and it's also a great way to distract attention from its illegal settlement operation in the West Bank. And every time things get too quiet, the Israeli government will attack Gaza until it can get some rockets going again.

The Israelis who live in Sderot are mostly Mizrahi anyways - it’s not like any Ashkenazi elite will get hurt. That’s a whole ‘nother dirty little secret - how Israel dumped its Persian, Kurdish, Yemeni, Moroccan, Ethiopian and other poorer and “darker” Jews next to Gaza and in other less desirable locations in order to (and I quote a 1950 Jewish Agency brochure) keep them from creating “quarters of poverty, filth, unemployment and crime” in Tel Aviv.

Israel actually hopes and plans that some of these expendables will end up as cannon fodder - then their otherwise useless bodies can be used as PR props for useful purposes like continuing the illegal blockade on Gaza and extorting more Iron Dome cash out of the hapless US taxpayer.

And, what do you do if you're in a ceasefire but you have information that a group is planning an attack on you? Do you wait to be attacked, just so that you don't get blamed for ending the ceasefire, or do you hit first to prevent the attack?

So then, by your same logic, when Palestinians know that Israelis are about to launch an attack (which is like every day or every week) then it’s ok for Palestinians to attack Israelis first, right ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War

It says "according to Israel," Israel's violations of the cease-fire don't count. Well, that's that, then

You're doing the same thing you(rightfully) told someone else is not right to do. You know exactly how I feel about religion so quoting a Rabbi really doesn't do it for me.

You completely missed the point. I am not talking about the Jewish religion or Jewish people; I am saying that this racist ideology is the ideology of the illegal settlers as well as the attitude of the Israeli government.

So you don't like Kemp. How do you feel about Goldstone?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/reconsidering-the-goldstone-report-on-israel-and-war-crimes/2011/04/01/AFg111JC_story.html

http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/04/02/goldstone-i-was-wrong-about-operation-cast-lead/

Why do you keep posting a source link on a particular subject, and then follow it with a second source link that is just a report about the first link, with nothing additional ? It's a waste of time and space.

Goldstone is a very great man. He did his job honestly, thoroughly, and without bias. What the Zio mafia did to him was disgusting and outrageous - threatening him with lawsuits, even threatening to ####### all over his grandson’s bar mitzvah if he dared to show up These thugs couldn't care less about truth or war crimes; all they see is a self-hating Jew who committed mesirah, and they wanted their pound of flesh

The lawsuit will demand that Goldstone publicly apologize to the State of Israel and pay a symbolic amount of damages for the accusations he made in the U.N. Fact-Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict report.

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/04/07/3086766/american-jewish-lawyers-set-to-sue-goldstone

“It has been like watching an innocent man whipped at the stake,” said Goldstone’s friend Letty Cottin Pogrebin... “His family is taking terrible strain,” reported a close South African friend who would speak only on condition of anonymity. “He told us, ‘If I had known what it would do to my family, I wouldn’t have done it.”

http://forward.com/articles/136818/did-a-private-meeting-prompt-goldstone-to-change-h/#ixzz1IrRq7Iyq

And the op-ed says he changed his mind on only one thing - he decided that the 29 members of the al-Samouni family killed by a missile dropped on their house were not targeted “deliberately” but rather because of negligence.

Despite being forced to crawl on his knees and serve up an apologetic op-ed which Israel could then brandish around as a so-called “retraction” - nevertheless, afterwards, Goldstone said the report still stands:

South African jurist Richard Goldstone said Tuesday that he did not plan to seek nullification of his highly critical U.N. report on Israel's 2008-2009 offensive in the Gaza Strip and asserted that claims to the contrary by Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai were false

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"As appears from the Washington Post article, information subsequent to publication of the report did meet with the view that one correction should be made with regard to intentionality on the part of Israel," the judge said. "Further information as a result of domestic investigations could lead to further reconsideration, but as presently advised I have no reason to believe any part of the report needs to be reconsidered at this time."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4052821,00.html

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Like I said, where there is freedom of speech, freedom of religion, a free press, internet that's not limited and so forth there's generally nothing to hide. Show me something similar anywhere in the region.

Ah yes the Glittering Generalities... #2 on the list of Seven Basic Propaganda Devices in the Hasbara Handbook:

http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf

[OriZ 3,157]

So then, by your same logic, when Palestinians know that Israelis are about to launch an attack (which is like every day or every week) then it’s ok for Palestinians to attack Israelis first, right ?

If Palestinian forces have specific intelligence info about a certain attack planned to deliberately target and hit innocent people, then absolutely they would be in their right to attack the same group of people that is planning that attack