Official Does access to Guns cause Gun Crime Thread

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Today, anyone has free and ready access to handguns. No gun control worth speaking of exists in this country. None.

Excluding pre-1890s or muzzleloading firearms, I do not have free and ready access to a handgun. To acquire one I must fill out a federal form, pay the government a fee to determine if I am eligible and wait 10 days.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Excluding pre-1890s or muzzleloading firearms, I do not have free and ready access to a handgun. To acquire one I must fill out a federal form, pay the government a fee to determine if I am eligible and wait 10 days.

Or you can travel to any number of states and acquire a handgun at a gun show no questions asked. If you don't know how to do that, google it.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Or you can travel to any number of states and acquire a handgun at a gun show no questions asked. If you don't know how to do that, google it.

Well that would generally be illegal....but anyway see my number 6.

(I have an FFL so I may legally purchase out of state)

Edited November 30, 2012 by Sousuke

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Well that would generally be illegal...

And yet, it happens every day.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

And yet, it happens every day.

As far as I can tell you have validated the middle ground from which I am speaking.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Could they machine their own? I doubt it. The latter constitutes access.

you never heard of a zip gun?

how about a pipe shotgun?

Edited December 1, 2012 by charles!

[JoBri 548]

Switzerland has one of the highest levels of guns per household in the world, and also one of the lowest crime rates. Rather than a standing army in Switzerland, they rely on a militia. Following boot camp the soldiers return to their homes with their weapons. After age 30 they are free from the service, but they are allowed to either return their weapon or keep it in their home after being modified so that it is no longer automatic. I agree with the OP that it is because society has broken down.

I say no- when I was young, Everybody over the age of 16 usually had a gun or two, the usually kept them in their car at school and I can't recall on Gun related crime ever in my home county back then.

However back in those day, most homes had two parents, children getting spanked at school was a daily occurrence, and if the Principal had to call your parents to School it was going to get ugly, and not for the teacher or the principal.

Almost every boy carried a pocket knife. No one ever got cut not once.

15 year old girls were not spitting out government dependent babies as novelty items and the poor in our county truly needed the help they got.

I think the violence is because society has broken down.

[Dakine10 5,452]

I have an FFL

Indeed you do!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

As far as I can tell you have validated the middle ground from which I am speaking.

I don't think I have. Problem with this "middle ground" is that it changes nothing in terms of availability and proliferation of firearms. And as long as these are broadly available, gun violence will be an issue in this country. It seems that America is at peace with this. Many or most Americans apparently find that an acceptable price to lay down at the altar of firearms each and every day. I find that disturbing. It's just that simple.

[james&olya 1,121]

I don't think I have. Problem with this "middle ground" is that it changes nothing in terms of availability and proliferation of firearms. And as long as these are broadly available, gun violence will be an issue in this country. It seems that America is at peace with this. Many or most Americans apparently find that an acceptable price to lay down at the altar of firearms each and every day. I find that disturbing. It's just that simple.

Like it or not (I don't), guns are a fact of life in the USA and nothing could change that in our lifetimes and probably far beyond! Which makes it laughable how the fox 'news' echo chamber has so many of these RWN idiots actually believing, against all objective evidence to the contrary, that Obama is coming after their guns!

I don't really like guns. I am familiar with them, was in the military, am a reasonably good shot. I am thinking that maybe it is better to be armed in an armed society than to remain totally dependent on the rules of society holding up to protect my family and myself. It feels like I am surrendering to the forces of darkness to come to this point though!

[DaveE 178]

I long for the good old days when we really had access to guns.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I don't think I have. Problem with this "middle ground" is that it changes nothing in terms of availability and proliferation of firearms. And as long as these are broadly available, gun violence will be an issue in this country. It seems that America is at peace with this. Many or most Americans apparently find that an acceptable price to lay down at the altar of firearms each and every day. I find that disturbing. It's just that simple.

Well you mentioned the gun show issue as one avenue. By requiring transfers through FFLs plus a small waiting period that avenue would be closed. The two primary avenues for gun movement to criminals is through straw purchases and theft. I'm not saying those rules mentioned a few pages back will get rid of either entirely, but they will decrease the pool of availability by quite a bit, probably by half. From what I've read, many straw purchases tend to involve large quantity purchases in states without waiting periods. Part of the reason for the waiting period is to give agents time to investigate large orders.

Basically, if yo give a little on what can be bought and how a firearm can be used by legal owners, it is my belief that the community will allow logical laws that go further to limit the black market.

[justashooter 430]

Could they machine their own? I doubt it. The latter constitutes access.

new york city passed a "sullivan act" in the 20's that effectively prohibited NY city residents lacking significant "influence" from purchasing handguns. "zip guns" became the norm for gang activity from 1950-1970, after which the cash value of street crime rose to the point at which street criminals could afford to buy guns stolen in surrounding states on the black market. zip guns took many forms during that time, many remarkably effective.

come for a ride to the hardware store with me. we'll buy some plumbing pipe and make a 12 gauge shotgun for you in less than an hour...

and yes, access to spoons made rosie odonnel fat.

[^_^ 5,021]

and yes, access to spoons made rosie odonnel fat.

"I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there"

[justashooter 430]

Well you mentioned the gun show issue as one avenue. By requiring transfers through FFLs plus a small waiting period that avenue would be closed. The two primary avenues for gun movement to criminals is through straw purchases and theft. I'm not saying those rules mentioned a few pages back will get rid of either entirely, but they will decrease the pool of availability by quite a bit, probably by half. From what I've read, many straw purchases tend to involve large quantity purchases in states without waiting periods. Part of the reason for the waiting period is to give agents time to investigate large orders.

Basically, if yo give a little on what can be bought and how a firearm can be used by legal owners, it is my belief that the community will allow logical laws that go further to limit the black market.

waiting periods are not necessary or justifiable since passage of the NICS instant check system. "give a little on how a firearm can be used"? how about giving a little of your english thinking up. this is America, you know.