Yet another consummation question

[pm5k 129]

I am planning to get married in Pakistan soon. We will have a full wedding (Nikkah/Shaadi, Walima, and Rukhsati). We have not had any type of proxy marriage (phone, skype, etc); we are simply 'engaged'.

Who knows what may happen, but there is a fair chance (more likely than not) that we may not have intercourse until my spouse comes to the states (yes, it sounds crazy, but it is a possibility). Considering that all of the rituals are done (Shaadi, Walima, Rukhsati), we will have lived with eachother for about a week after the Rukhsati (same day as Shaadi/Nikkah), and will have tons of pictures of us, will the lack of consummation be an issue? I have read stories on these forums of people being asked if their marriage was consummated or not...

[Hypnos 6,576]

To USCIS, consummation usually means that you have met in person, nothing else.

Edited November 28, 2012 by Hypnos

[Penguin_ie 5,993]

The consumated issue is if you get married by proxy; they sometimes ask about it in AOS interviews, which you won't have, so you should be fine. Having sex is not prove of a bonafide marriage.

[sn530 27]

hummmm sounds like the same situation i went through, have a few questions for you that might help you a little.

1. what type of visa are you planning to apply for?

2. How soon do you expect the person you plan to marry arrive in USA?

3. The justification of two people being married in pakistan is a little tricky apparently... sometimes they require photo's + documents + attestation of Docs and written and verbal confirmation of individuals that were present at the wedding. and at other times they can confuse an engagement as a wedding and refuse the Fiance visa and tell you to apply for a CR1 (married) visa.

You may want to plan ahead of what you are going to be doing... either case from the time you apply will take a year to complete. So if you are planning on getting married in pakistan and are going to apply for CR1 then you will need to have been married have proof of marrage then apply for VISA which will then take a year. (plan on holding off for a year?) Also many Beneficiaries that are Male tend to be put in AP which last anywhere from 3 months to a year and often times more. so that year might turn into 2 years

anyways good luck!

[pm5k 129]

hummmm sounds like the same situation i went through, have a few questions for you that might help you a little.

1. what type of visa are you planning to apply for?

2. How soon do you expect the person you plan to marry arrive in USA?

3. The justification of two people being married in pakistan is a little tricky apparently... sometimes they require photo's + documents + attestation of Docs and written and verbal confirmation of individuals that were present at the wedding. and at other times they can confuse an engagement as a wedding and refuse the Fiance visa and tell you to apply for a CR1 (married) visa.

You may want to plan ahead of what you are going to be doing... either case from the time you apply will take a year to complete. So if you are planning on getting married in pakistan and are going to apply for CR1 then you will need to have been married have proof of marrage then apply for VISA which will then take a year. (plan on holding off for a year?) Also many Beneficiaries that are Male tend to be put in AP which last anywhere from 3 months to a year and often times more. so that year might turn into 2 years

anyways good luck!

1. K3 (which involves also applying for IR1/CR1 in the process)

2. Of course the sooner the better, but it seems that 8 months is the minimum.

3. We will sign a marriage contract/nikah nama, which I will send when I file the paperwork (along with a notarized translation). Since we have no joint property or bank accounts in Pakistan, I may also need written statements by people present at the wedding.

However, judging by what others have said, the consummation issue seems to only come up for proxy marriages.

Edited November 28, 2012 by pm5k

[kwara4u 14]

Few Tips

1. Whether you have intercourse with your wife or not is the matter between you and your wife. (Consular officer would not know about this until you tell them yourself which would be stupid to do so).

2. You must complete all rituals of a wedding i.e Shaadi, Rukhsati and Valima

3. Take bunch of photos at your wedding and after the wedding when you go out with your wife

4. Take a few photos of you and her with families and in family gathering

5. When you go back to states, send her money once in a while and keep the receipt to take to the interview as a evidence of on-going relationship

6. Buy credit on Raza, Callingo or Rebtel and call your wife and print out the call records for each month to take to interview as evidence

7. Lastly, Submit all paperwork in a professional manner and everytime you submit a document to USCIS and NVC, include a cover letter that lists all items you are submitting. Make sure you have Urdu, english nikka nama and mariage certificate and birth certificate and police certificate from all areas where your wife have lived for six months atleast. Also make New ID card of your wife that lists her as married and a new passport that has your name listed as husband.

These are all things i did for my wife and she got the VISA right away.

[pm5k 129]

Few Tips

1. Whether you have intercourse with your wife or not is the matter between you and your wife. (Consular officer would not know about this until you tell them yourself which would be stupid to do so).

2. You must complete all rituals of a wedding i.e Shaadi, Rukhsati and Valima

3. Take bunch of photos at your wedding and after the wedding when you go out with your wife

4. Take a few photos of you and her with families and in family gathering

5. When you go back to states, send her money once in a while and keep the receipt to take to the interview as a evidence of on-going relationship

6. Buy credit on Raza, Callingo or Rebtel and call your wife and print out the call records for each month to take to interview as evidence

7. Lastly, Submit all paperwork in a professional manner and everytime you submit a document to USCIS and NVC, include a cover letter that lists all items you are submitting. Make sure you have Urdu, english nikka nama and mariage certificate and birth certificate and police certificate from all areas where your wife have lived for six months atleast. Also make New ID card of your wife that lists her as married and a new passport that has your name listed as husband.

These are all things i did for my wife and she got the VISA right away.

Thanks!

[pm5k 129]

For a case that has no red flags, would an interviewer ever directly ask if it happened?

[Penguin_ie 5,993]

Extremely unlikely.

[Happytobe 164]

They do ask.... see this thread http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/437452-need-help/

It's not the norm for them to ask, but it does happen.

[TBoneTX 45,267]

They can definitely ask that, if they put you through a Stokes interview.

[pushbrk 12,876]

1. K3 (which involves also applying for IR1/CR1 in the process)

Don't be planning on a K3 visa in your future. They've been virtually unobtainable since February, 2010 and have saved no appreciable time since late 2006. Just file the I-130 and follow the CR1 guide. Consummation is extremely unlikely to ever be an issue in your case.