After NOA 2.

[loladolly 51]

Well from what i've read on VJ i have seen mainly people that have never lived together and saw each other a few times before getting engaged.

Did i say i deserved a special treatment? Hell no! If you guys are fine with waiting and think that system is ok and understandable then that's great for you. Getting married and file for spousal visa?? why not just getting married and live happily ever after?? No! The US has to make it complicated! They are treating foreigners like complete sh.. and make us feel unwanted! I have a journalist friend a the chicago tribune and i plan on getting interviewed by her when i get back! I am even thinking of writing a book to denounce the system.

French people didn't start a revolution for nothing....

[KayDeeCee 4,893]

Yea CSC has been working on july for like 2/3 months now ! Trust me i'm already getting prepared to respond to packet 3, i ll send it back the day after i receive it!

No i have no home, no rent, no car, no job and my kid is too young for school. Yea i have no ties because I was living in the US with my fiance, peacefully and happily. In france or any other really free country, you can come to get married without asking permission, why would we have to be legal according to our intention, everyone should be free of doing what htey want without letting know some government. The US is ridiculous and I am starting to regret living there, i am starting to be disgusted at this country, honestly if the situation was better in france i would just ask my fiance to come here. Anyway....

I guess my fiance will have to come visit for the holidays, or we won't be together. hmm i wonder if he should ask permission too before visiting me!

Please understand that i am being sarcastic, and stop telling me we are all in the same boat, it is wrong. Unlike most k1 applicant, i have lived with my fiance for years and we have a child.

And unlike a lot of those that file for a K-1, you live in a country that made it possible for you to visit the US to be with your fiance whenever you desired. There are plenty of countries where getting a tourist visa to the US is not even possible. All countries have immigration laws and procedures to follow. The US is not alone there. It is not a right to be able to immigrate to the US. There is nothing ridiculous or disgusting about it. You want to live here as a permanent resident, then you apply and follow the laws. You are not special because you lived with your fiance and had a baby before applying. Dido is correct, plenty of people filing for a K-1 are in that same situation. I see it all the time. Having a baby doesn't put you at the front of the line.

No one needs permission to get married here in the US. Now that is ridiculous. Anyone is free to visit the US, get married and return back to their own country. A spousal visa could then be filed for if you are wishing to immigrate to the US on a permanent basis. http://www.visajourney.com/content/i130guide1

If you were already visiting the US, then decided you wanted to get married, you could have done so and stayed, filing for AOS without ever leaving your fiance or the US. You would have filed the I-130 an I-485 at the same time. http://www.visajourney.com/content/i130guide2

Since you went for the K-1, you will also have to file for AOS after you are in the US and married. http://www.visajourney.com/content/k1k3aos That will cost you another $1070 and have more paperwork to fill out and must be done before you can travel outside the US and re-enter, work or receive your green card. The EAD/AP takes 2-3 months to receive and the green card is 5+ months more waiting time. With a spousal visa, you would have become a permanent resident upon entry without the need for the extra step of AOS.

Don't blame the US for your lack of research on the US immigration policies. If you research and still cannot understand the process well, then you are free to hire an immigration attorney to help you through it.

You ARE in the same boat as everyone else going through the K-1 process. You file the necessary paperwork, get the medical, and have your interview. Your case is no different or more special than anyone else.

[didopage 337]

You are not in the Care Bears world and there's no magic rainbow to take you to the US whenever you want, sorry.

You are in the real world, where even democratic countries has rules. You know, even France has immigration rules, and you can't go live there just because you want it. You should inquire more about it instead of being upset because it doesn't fit your expectations.

Follow the rules and wait patiently like others, or follow your own rules where you can think you can do what you want, and expect some obvious consequences.

I'm really trying to help you, I hope you see it. Keep yourself busy or do something, because being upset won't make you come here faster.

[loladolly 51]

I am not talking of any magic rainbow taking me there. I am talking about the lack of humanity in the procedure! If no one sees it there s a problem somewhere. We shouldn't ask permission to come there to get married and that's it, we don't have to explain our intent, it is a democracy and it shouldn't be this way.

Those are rules specific to non democratic countries. I konw there are rules in france and other democratic country but this is not nearly as bad and i know what i am talking about!

Being upset? No it doesn't help me but i can't help feeling this way. i got occupations besides waiting but it always comes back. This is named humanity and the US is lacking of it. What is worrying me is that i am starting to hate the country now because it is keeping me away from my love, and keeping a father away from his son....

[didopage 337]

loladolly, there's a few things you will have to understand:

1) the Basics of immigration law: why are there such rules in a country like the US?

2) there are TONS of people doing the same process as you, tons of separate couples, who know each other for a long time or not, have kid(s) or not (hint: make the link with 1). Does it make you understand why are you waiting so long?

That's a long process and you obviously didn't know it when you started it. It's not the US fault if you didn't know it.

We all understand here your frustration to be far from your loved-one, it sucks but it will eventually get better.

[KayDeeCee 4,893]

I am not talking of any magic rainbow taking me there. I am talking about the lack of humanity in the procedure! If no one sees it there s a problem somewhere. We shouldn't ask permission to come there to get married and that's it, we don't have to explain our intent, it is a democracy and it shouldn't be this way.

Those are rules specific to non democratic countries. I konw there are rules in france and other democratic country but this is not nearly as bad and i know what i am talking about!

Being upset? No it doesn't help me but i can't help feeling this way. i got occupations besides waiting but it always comes back. This is named humanity and the US is lacking of it. What is worrying me is that i am starting to hate the country now because it is keeping me away from my love, and keeping a father away from his son....

The US is actually a republic, but I digress...

Why do we have immigration laws?

Again, you are not asking for permission to get married. You are completely free to get married, either in the US or France. The I-129F petition is filed by the USC asking for approval for the foreign fiance(e) to apply for a K-1 fiance(e) visa. You need be approved for a visa. You will then need to apply for permanent residency. You never seek permission to marry. You seek permission to move here and live legally and permanently in the US. Immigrating to the US is not a right, even if married to a USC.

My husband and I lived for years apart from one another. He was not lucky enough to live in a VWP country either, and was never granted approval for a tourist visa. No one is keeping you apart. You are both free to visit each other whenever you can while waiting for petition and visa approvals. You are free to live together in France instead. There are members of the military that are deployed and have to be apart from their families for longer than you and your fiance will be while going through the K-1 immigration process. You, unlike them, even have the ability to visit during the process. I have a hard time mustering up sympathy for your 'plight'.

If you hate the US and its immigration system, then why voluntarily go through the process and then live there?

[loladolly 51]

Ok let's redo this. I hate the system but i made a sacrifice for my fiance (this is called love).

And the whole thing about the visa, even what you said still makes the same sense for me. I am asking for a visa because i cannot get married with him and live there with him, thing that i cannot do even if i get married with him in France. How can i do it freely if afterwords i get banned because i didn't respect their rule?

And yea i am from a VWP country but we all know the risks of trying to visit while waiting for the k1. I have a 18months old child travelling with me, i am not taking that risk to get denied entrance at the POE, plus those idiots would be able to take my child away from me because he is american (french too but doesn't have a french passport yet)

Amd i say, immigrating to the US should be a right when married to a USC like in regular free countries.

And i know what you mean about the republic/democracy thing... in this case there is no real democracy