Jesus was born years earlier than thought, claims Pope

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No disrespect intended, but why is Mohammad considered a greater prophet than Jesus?

He (pbuh) was the last and final prophet of God (peace be upon him). He (pbuh) is the founder of their religion (peace).

Why wouldn't Mohammad (pbuh) be considered a greater prophet that Jesus (pbuh)?

They (pbut) are both great prophets (peace be upon them) but God (peace be upon her) chose Muhammad (pbuh) to be the author and creator of Islam (peace). Not Jesus (pbuh).

Get it?

Peace.

Edited November 23, 2012 by FDRs Wheelchair

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Faith is by definition illogical. If it was logical and made sense, there would be no reason to rely on faith alone. Of course, logic requires a set of statements based on certain assumptions to be valid for them to be true. However, as has been shown in science over and over again, what was assumed to be always true, doesn't always stay that way. So, even science itself, requires a good deal of faith at times.

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Faith is by definition illogical. If it was logical and made sense, there would be no reason to rely on faith alone. Of course, logic requires a set of statements based on certain assumptions to be valid for them to be true. However, as has been shown in science over and over again, what was assumed to be always true, doesn't always stay that way. So, even science itself, requires a good deal of faith at times.

Yes, thinking thoughts silently to yourself and believing the Creator of the Universe is listening to you, and making your life better is just like science on so many levels.

So is believing that after you die you either go to hell or heaven. So many similarities.

The bible and Newton's "Principia" are like two peas in a pod.

Edited November 23, 2012 by FDRs Wheelchair

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The bible and Newton's "Principia" are like two peas in a pod.

In many ways, yes. One can look at creation from many angles, and in different ways, and each perspective leads to a different insight. They all see the same world, yet each view shows something different. Only a simpleton would look at the world through a single window and assume that is all there is to see, but Creation needs fools as well.

One day, three blind men happened to meet each other and gossiped a long time about many things. Suddenly one of them recalled, “I heard that an elephant is a ####### animal. Too bad we’re blind and can’t see it.”

“Ah, yes, truly too bad we don’t have the good fortune to see the strange animal,” another one sighed.

The third one, quite annoyed, joined in and said, “See? Forget it! Just to feel it would be great.”

“Well, that’s true. If only there were some way of touching the elephant, we’d be able to know,” they all agreed.

It so happened that a merchant with a herd of elephants was passing, and overheard their conversation. “You fellows, do you really want to feel an elephant? Then follow me; I will show you,” he said.

The three men were surprised and happy. Taking one another’s hand, they quickly formed a line and followed while the merchant led the way. Each one began to contemplate how he would feel the animal, and tried to figure how he would form an image.

After reaching their destination, the merchant asked them to sit on the ground to wait. In a few minutes he led the first blind man to feel the elephant. With outstretched hand, he touched first the left foreleg and then the right. After that he felt the two legs from the top to the bottom, and with a beaming face, turned to say, “So, the ####### animal is just like that.” Then he slowly returned to the group.

There upon the second blind man was led to the rear of the elephant. He touched the tail which wagged a few times, and he exclaimed with satisfaction, “Ha! Truly a ####### animal! Truly odd! I know now. I know.” He hurriedly stepped aside.

The third blind man’s turn came, and he touched the elephant’s trunk which moved back and forth turning and twisting and he thought, “That’s it! I’ve learned.”

The three blind men thanked the merchant and went their way. Each one was secretly excited over the experience and had a lot to say, yet all walked rapidly without saying a word.

“Let’s sit down and have a discussion about this ####### animal,” the second blind man said, breaking the silence.

“A very good idea. Very good.” the other two agreed for they also had this in mind. Without waiting for anyone to be properly seated, the second one blurted out, “This ####### animal is like our straw fans swinging back and forth to give us a breeze. However, it’s not so big or well made. The main portion is rather wispy.”

“No, no!” the first blind man shouted in disagreement. “This ####### animal resembles two big trees without any branches.”

“You’re both wrong.” the third man replied. “This ####### animal is similar to a snake; it’s long and round, and very strong.”

How they argued! Each one insisted that he alone was correct. Of course, there was no conclusion for not one had thoroughly examined the whole elephant. How can anyone describe the whole until he has learned the total of the parts.

(Kuo, Louise and Kuo, Yuan-Hsi, Chinese Folk Tales, 1976, Celestial Arts: Millbrae, CA, pp. 83-85.)

Edited November 23, 2012 by The Patriot

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Well that dude is probably old enough to remember

It should be noted that King Herod died 4 BC (date fixed by historians) which puts the birth of Jesus before that

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The entire Christian calendar is based on a miscalculation, the Pope has declared, as he claims in a new book that Jesus was born several years earlier than commonly believed.

The 'mistake' was made by a sixth century monk known as Dionysius Exiguus or in English Dennis the Small, the 85-year-old pontiff claims in the book 'Jesus of Nazareth: The Infancy Narratives', published on Wednesday.

"The calculation of the beginning of our calendar – based on the birth of Jesus – was made by Dionysius Exiguus, who made a mistake in his calculations by several years," the Pope writes in the book, which went on sale around the world with an initial print run of a million copies.

"The actual date of Jesus's birth was several years before."

The assertion that the Christian calendar is based on a false premise is not new – many historians believe that Christ was born sometime between 7BC and 2BC.

But the fact that doubts over one of the keystones of Christian tradition have been raised by the leader of the world's one billion Catholics is striking.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9693576/Jesus-was-born-years-earlier-than-thought-claims-Pope.html

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I would just like to apologize to everyone in the group if I offended anyone by being so mean to zahrasalem. It was uncalled for and I feel really bad about it. We've talked and I apologized to her already. But I would like to apologize to everyone else if you were offended by my rudeness. Thank you and I'm sorry.

Edited November 23, 2012 by bsd058

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[quote name=' timestamp='1353540351' post='5836393]

The entire Christian calendar is based on a miscalculation, the Pope has declared, as he claims in a new book that Jesus was born several years earlier than commonly believed.

The 'mistake' was made by a sixth century monk known as Dionysius Exiguus or in English Dennis the Small, the 85-year-old pontiff claims in the book 'Jesus of Nazareth: The Infancy Narratives', published on Wednesday.

"The calculation of the beginning of our calendar – based on the birth of Jesus – was made by Dionysius Exiguus, who made a mistake in his calculations by several years," the Pope writes in the book, which went on sale around the world with an initial print run of a million copies.

"The actual date of Jesus's birth was several years before."

The assertion that the Christian calendar is based on a false premise is not new – many historians believe that Christ was born sometime between 7BC and 2BC.

But the fact that doubts over one of the keystones of Christian tradition have been raised by the leader of the world's one billion Catholics is striking.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9693576/Jesus-was-born-years-earlier-than-thought-claims-Pope.html

Oh no. This means I am going to be early for my doctor appt, right? I hope they have a lot of those old magazines to read.