A NOT politically correct view on Homosexuality.

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if they are exactly the same, how could you not call a civil union a marriage...

Easy. Legislate it. Different verbiage on the document.

I realize LGBT rights proponents have a problem with this. They want it to be called marriage. All the rights of marriage isn't all they want. They want more. Yet, all I'm reading is talk about taxes and wills.

Where's the important stuff? The real argument for SSM?

It's not about taxes.

It's a new city that was built with billions of tax payer dollars only to be mothballed. It even has a mall,a new giant size gymnasium with indoor track, work out rooms, tanning beds, etc... It was built at the end of the Cold War and beyond. Lots of prime places in that mall to start up hair salons, Starbucks, Apple Shops, etc... They even have two new schools on that island that sit empty..not like their going to procreate or anything but you never know.

You're being dumb.

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... people should be free to believe homosexuality is wrong without being called a homophobe or a bigot...

Why? Why does freedom of expression stop with you believing homosexuality is wrong? Do people who think less of you not get to express themselves?

... people should be allowed to have the same disdain for homosexuality that you do for adolescent/adult relationship...

People are allowed. Who here has advocated taking the right to think what you want away?

You are mistaking freedom of speech/expression for freedom of speech/expression without anyone saying anything back. That's not how it works.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

if they are exactly the same, how could you not call a civil union a marriage...what, would you get a ticket or jail time for using the wrong term? say i send a 'congratulations on your marraige' card instead of a 'congratulations on your civil union card'?

What she said. If they are the same, and afford the same privileges, then you're only calling them different names so as not to offend.

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What she said. If they are the same, and afford the same privileges, then you're only calling them different names so as not to offend.

Yes, precisely. Is that so bad?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Your condescending use of the deragatory term "homophobe" could suggest otherwise...at least for people not in your immediate family.

Believe me - I actually teach secondary educational theory, so I know all about the teenage brain...maybe even more than healthychildren.org. I also know a bit about the history of the world....and how our current social interpretations of age and what constitutes"adulthood," as well as our current beliefs about what teenagers are capable of is vastly different from the reality demonstrated throughout the entire history of the world. And as for the scientific evidence. Well you can throw down the "science says" gauntlet all you want, and link us to wonderful informative websites of new scientific findings about the human brain, and we all know what science says today is always right...oh wait... I prefer to base my ideas on the evidence found in 5000+ years of documented world history....which tells a different tale about when someone is capable of being deemed an adult. But the reality, I am in no way advocating an adult-child romantic relationship. I too subscribe to the social standard, so your attempts to inform me about the nature of children and the teenage brain are in vain....and it missed the point.

The point is - people should be free to believe homosexuality is wrong without being called a homophobe or a bigot, just like you are free to believe what you do on the matter. I could just as easily make the comparison of homosexual "rights" to that of polygamists, or incestuous relationships, instead of the teen/adult relationship. Perhaps you would consider those scenarios apples to apples. Would you support the rights of consenting adults to marry a sibling or a parent? Do you support the current population of "hidden" polygamists? I hope so....because without question there is a double standard if you do not.

But the reason people, such as myself, use the first example, is because believe it or not, the majority of the world views homosexuality as abhorrent in practice, as you view the adolescent/adult relationship. And your social standards about such a relationship are just that - YOUR social standards. Hence the references to history. But I'll spare you the history lesson. The point is, climb off the high horse of social superiority, and understand that just because some people feel homosexuality is right and good, doesn't mean everyone has too. And people should be allowed to have the same disdain for homosexuality that you do for adolescent/adult relationship...and they probably agree with you on that account anyway.

Seriously, with an attitude like that, you have no business talking about condescension and high horses.

[JensJrny2Ray 367]

So, in your personal opinion, a 50 year-old man having sex with his 12 year-old wife, as Mohammad did, and as it perfectly legal and socially accepted in Iran, is a crime? Are you discriminating against older men, Iranians, Islam, or their social standards then?

Yes, it's a crime.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Your condescending use of the deragatory term "homophobe" could suggest otherwise...at least for people not in your immediate family.

Believe me - I actually teach secondary educational theory, so I know all about the teenage brain...maybe even more than healthychildren.org. I also know a bit about the history of the world....and how our current social interpretations of age and what constitutes"adulthood," as well as our current beliefs about what teenagers are capable of is vastly different from the reality demonstrated throughout the entire history of the world. And as for the scientific evidence. Well you can throw down the "science says" gauntlet all you want, and link us to wonderful informative websites of new scientific findings about the human brain, and we all know what science says today is always right...oh wait... I prefer to base my ideas on the evidence found in 5000+ years of documented world history....which tells a different tale about when someone is capable of being deemed an adult. But the reality, I am in no way advocating an adult-child romantic relationship. I too subscribe to the social standard, so your attempts to inform me about the nature of children and the teenage brain are in vain....and it missed the point.

The point is - people should be free to believe homosexuality is wrong without being called a homophobe or a bigot, just like you are free to believe what you do on the matter. I could just as easily make the comparison of homosexual "rights" to that of polygamists, or incestuous relationships, instead of the teen/adult relationship. Perhaps you would consider those scenarios apples to apples. Would you support the rights of consenting adults to marry a sibling or a parent? Do you support the current population of "hidden" polygamists? I hope so....because without question there is a double standard if you do not.

But the reason people, such as myself, use the first example, is because believe it or not, the majority of the world views homosexuality as abhorrent in practice, as you view the adolescent/adult relationship. And your social standards about such a relationship are just that - YOUR social standards. Hence the references to history. But I'll spare you the history lesson. The point is, climb off the high horse of social superiority, and understand that just because some people feel homosexuality is right and good, doesn't mean everyone has too. And people should be allowed to have the same disdain for homosexuality that you do for adolescent/adult relationship...and they probably agree with you on that account anyway.

:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

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Yes, precisely. Is that so bad?

Yes. If you're only doing it to assuage the feelings of the easily offended members of certain religions, you're not actually adhering to constitutional principles. If you make marriage "marriage" for all, the possibility that the rights and advantages that flow from marriage cannot be as easily abridged for one subset of those who are married.

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Easy. Legislate it. Different verbiage on the document.

I realize LGBT rights proponents have a problem with this. They want it to be called marriage. All the rights of marriage isn't all they want. They want more. Yet, all I'm reading is talk about taxes and wills.

Where's the important stuff? The real argument for SSM?

It's not about taxes.

What extra do they want?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

When America used to be right in the head....

Edited November 21, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[Fandango 1,440]

Here's what I think concerning marriage: it should be like a professional license, renewable every so many years. If one or both parties don't want to renew, then it just expires.

Imagine the clear out of the judicial system!

[JensJrny2Ray 367]

When America used to be right in the head....

Life is not, nor has it ever been, a television show. That's a fantasy world.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Life is not, nor has it ever been, a television show. That's a fantasy world.

That show would have bombed these days. Andy had a girlfriend.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

It's a new city that was built with billions of tax payer dollars only to be mothballed. It even has a mall,a new giant size gymnasium with indoor track, work out rooms, tanning beds, etc... It was built at the end of the Cold War and beyond. Lots of prime places in that mall to start up hair salons, Starbucks, Apple Shops, etc... They even have two new schools on that island that sit empty..not like their going to procreate or anything but you never know.

Since smaller groups are easier to move, the anti-homosexuals should go. Have fun!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Since smaller groups are easier to move, the anti-homosexuals should go. Have fun!

Then who would build America? Illegals?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Then who would build America? Illegals?

You can build your own America, where everyone thinks and lives like you do. The rest of us will be fine, don't worry.