A NOT politically correct view on Homosexuality.

[decocker 7,198]

i cannot help you if you cannot separate your feelings from reality, in an objective sense.

okay thanks. didn't know i needed help.

if you're worried about the fate of our species, maybe you should look into all the mass killings that occur all over the world in the name of religions. surely widespread violence and the resulting poverty/ambivalence to living poses a significant threat to our survival as a species in comparison to some hypothetical babies who won't be born to deviants..

Edited November 23, 2012 by val erie

[justashooter 430]

okay thanks. didn't know i needed help.

if you're worried about the fate of our species, maybe you should look into all the mass killings that occur all over the world in the name of religions. surely widespread violence and the resulting poverty/ambivalence to living poses a significant threat to our survival as a species in comparison to some hypothetical babies who won't be born to deviants..

perhaps mass sacrifice of uneducated religious zealots is just another face of darwinian selection.

either way, you have stopped arguing, so i think i am winning you over. gimme some sugar, baby!

[decocker 7,198]

perhaps mass sacrifice of uneducated religious zealots is just another face of darwinian selection.

either way, you have stopped arguing, so i think i am winning you over. gimme some sugar, baby!

le sigh my friend, your type may wear me out.. but never down and out. i'm very well accustomed to living peacefully side by side with folks who would happily have my type killed off if possible..no worries.

[Love's JAA 100]

I tell you what... Let's build that model Prison right outside Chicago and let's use the sentencing guidelines and prison model for the violent offenders of Chicago. Let me know how that works out !! :rofl:

Why right outside of Chicago? I live right outside of Chicago. How about there in Georgia, don't they have crime or is it just one big Disneyland down there. It's all like Mr. Roger's neighborhood there in Atlanta, eh?

That aside, with a prison like that, it sounds like an incentive to commit crime. Heck, I'm tired of making mortgage payments. Maybe I'll get myself checked in to my free condo-cell with three free meals a day.

[Danno 1,228]

it's a good thing that the u.s. is the world leader in imprisonment? seems backwards to me. i feel less safe knowing that my country locks people up at a rate far surpassing all others.

and i have absolutely no understanding of your support for caning. that completely blows my mind. that you would find the public embarrassment and destruction of one family (you do realize most all criminals have families, right?)entertainment for your own family. disgust sir, and mighty christian of ya.

I don't claim my POV is biblical, maybe it is and maybe it isn't but I would caution you to lose the Hippy Jesus mentality that is so popular of late and consider a more accurate and balanced approach.

Speaking of publicly inflicted pain and social embarrassment, this comes to mind-

(Matthew 21:12-13; Mark 11:15-17; Luke 19:45-46)

15After making a whip out of cords, he drove all of them out of the Temple, including the sheep and the cattle. He scattered the coins of the moneychangers and knocked over their tables.

What I find interesting is he took the time to make the whip.... rather than in haste just grab a stick or something, which of course suggests he had time to consider the best course of action.

[Danno 1,228]

you don't agree with humane rehabilitation. it's completely insane. but it works.

The first course of action of course is "Justice".... after that obligation has been met, then one should consider rehabilitation as a possibility.

You say it works, I would like to see what you base that opinion on.... not that your opinion isn't of great value

[Danno 1,228]

Norway has one of the lowest prisoner recidivism rates in the entire world. Only 20% of prisoners ever return to prison (compared to over 60% in the US and the UK).

It also has one of the most "humane" prison systems in the world. We actually have a prison where every prisoner gets a flat screen TV, and a prison yard built specifically not to resemble a prison yard (google Halden Prison). Sentences are often in the 15 - 20 year range for murder, and the maximum possible sentence is 21 years (though this can be extended indefinitely if the prisoner is still considered a threat to society). Temporary weekend leave from prison is common for low-risk inmates, and many prisoners have access to private rooms for conjugal and family visits.

The sole goal of the prison system is rehabilitation, and the lack of freedom is the only stated punishment.

While I think this is completely insane, and don't agree one bit - I do believe it actually has an effect on re-offender rates. What often decides if a prisoner re-offends is not how crappy his last x years were, but what he's left with when he's back on the outside. In short, a person who doesn't feel human, won't have the same sympathy or respect for other humans.

I have spent time in Norway (great country too much fish) and comparing Norway to the USA is like comparing the population of Vermont to L.A.

Two absolutely different peoples different history, economics just in every way. One truly must compare apples to apples, or as close as one can get to draw any conclusion.

For instance, what is the gang and prison rape situation like in prisons in Norway?

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

I have spent time in Norway (great country too much fish) and comparing Norway to the USA is like comparing the population of Vermont to L.A.

Two absolutely different peoples different history, economics just in every way. One truly must compare apples to apples, or as close as one can get to draw any conclusion.

For instance, what is the gang and prison rape situation like in prisons in Norway?

Or the forcible rape rates among ethnic Norwegians? It is practically nothing compared to America.

My husband laughs every time I'm careful and look around going out at night. He thinks I'm silly that I won't use an isolated bus stop by a wooded area in the pitch black....because here violent rape and crime is so out of character.

Immigration does cause some crime, however.

How they got from the Vikings to this, I have no idea.

Edited November 23, 2012 by Nola123

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Or the forcible rape rates among ethnic Norwegians? It is practically nothing compared to America.

My husband laughs every time I'm careful and look around going out at night. He thinks I'm silly that I won't use an isolated bus stop by a wooded area in the pitch black....because here violent rape and crime is so out of character.

Immigration does cause some crime, however.

How they got from the Vikings to this, I have no idea.

I met some Norwegian women while overseas and while I prefer the RUB sub-species, I would think it is difficult to forcibly rape one.

[Danno 1,228]

Or the forcible rape rates among ethnic Norwegians? It is practically nothing compared to America.

My husband laughs every time I'm careful and look around going out at night. He thinks I'm silly that I won't use an isolated bus stop by a wooded area in the pitch black....because here violent rape and crime is so out of character.

Immigration does cause some crime, however.

How they got from the Vikings to this, I have no idea.

Christianity is no doubt the reason, it civilizes folks to the point where they won't defend their own mother at times.

While it is certainly no "magic pill" to cure all ills, it does seem to have a tranquil effect in most cases. Even with the cases which run counter to the principles ....one can't deny where the the modern roots of human rights come from.

This works really really well when everyone in town embraces the same center of morality (even if their faith in Christ is non-existant).

[jaycali 415]

I have spent time in Norway (great country too much fish) and comparing Norway to the USA is like comparing the population of Vermont to L.A.Two absolutely different peoples different history, economics just in every way. One truly must compare apples to apples, or as close as one can get to draw any conclusion.For instance, what is the gang and prison rape situation like in prisons in Norway?

Valid point.

Or the forcible rape rates among ethnic Norwegians? It is practically nothing compared to America.My husband laughs every time I'm careful and look around going out at night. He thinks I'm silly that I won't use an isolated bus stop by a wooded area in the pitch black....because here violent rape and crime is so out of character. Immigration does cause some crime, however.How they got from the Vikings to this, I have no idea.

Norway as a whole or Oslo? Norway as a whole has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. Oslo has a per capita crime rate higher than New York City. Immigrant population in Norway is about 2.5%. In Oslo about 35%.

Our vikings died in the black plague. Then the Danes ruled us for about 500 years.

Edited November 23, 2012 by Jay Jay

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Why right outside of Chicago? I live right outside of Chicago. How about there in Georgia, don't they have crime or is it just one big Disneyland down there. It's all like Mr. Roger's neighborhood there in Atlanta, eh?

That aside, with a prison like that, it sounds like an incentive to commit crime. Heck, I'm tired of making mortgage payments. Maybe I'll get myself checked in to my free condo-cell with three free meals a day.

Ok right outside of ATL is fine,b ut it's really irrelevant to my point I was using Chicago because it's inner city is a cesspool of violent thugs and predators. Of course you have it everywhere it's just DC and Chicago are the most famous for it. Bottom line is the super predators we have in the USA could not be treated like the prisoners in Norway.