A NOT politically correct view on Homosexuality.

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It is all about eating da poo poo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJZHvHb8LBE

[Danno 1,228]

again, no. these are just your fears speaking.

what new curriculum. despite your fear, learning about people different than you doesn't make you those people. you simply have more knowledge.

can you speak for an orphan? have you adopted? what would you do if your adopted child turned out gay? question your own sexuality?

dragged into court over what issue. lost me here..

sex between consenting adults ... happens all the time. every second, every where. how burdened are you by all these heinous acts?

Your thoughts seem to be in a doz. different directions which makes for poor topic debate.

I'm all for spreading knowledge and all that but not with captive audiences .... and thats what 8 yr olds are in school.

Nad of course the lessons they present this children come from who??? Well Shazam! the Gay rights groups themselves.

Sice we all embrace the separation of church and state.... or say we do, why not let the social engineering (and no one doubts that what it is) take place either at home or, in voluntary courses at school.

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Did you really ask me what I would do if my adopted son were a Homosexual?

Are you working off a script provided to you or are you a natural parrot?

Get your own thoughts and ideas will'ya.

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

um no. if someone marries their sibling or has more than one husband or wife (you're quoting my response to this 'scenario') - then so be it. it has no effect on me or my family, or anyone else..

Can I beg to disagree with you on this point? What if you were the child of such a union between a brother and sister? If they couldn't respect the incest taboos about siblings, who is to say they could respect them with regards to their own offspring? Let't not even speak of the increased risk in birth defects.

Some taboos, like incest, are there for a reason and they can negatively impact both the offspring that are produced, the whole family, and the community.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Apparently not everybody lives in the real world.

I have never once told someone to stop thinking the way they do. You can be as anti-homosexual as you'd like. Just don't get angry when the majority do not agree with and the majority do not want your personal beliefs made into laws for other people to follow.

I find it offensive when people compare homosexuals to child molesters, pedophiles, people who participate in bestiality. So I will speak up and say it's offensive. There's no need to insult people simply because you don't like their lifestyle. I'm sick of the "they're freak shows, they're sick, they're unnatural" nonsense.

Please tell me ONE time I have seriously told you how to live your life.

I guess what they miss is this. Two men kissing in public or otherwise is something that I find personally unsettling . However I am cerebral enough to understand that is my preference and that is theirs and they deserve the same rights.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I guess what they miss is this. Two men kissing in public or otherwise is something that I find personally unsettling . However I am cerebral enough to understand that is my preference and that is theirs and they deserve the same rights.

That's the thing. I see stuff on a daily basis that I think "I would never do that" about ... and yet, I'm an adult who has control over my emotions, so I don't cause a scene about it. I go on with my life.

Edited November 22, 2012 by Evylin

[jaycali 415]

To the OP: The difference, as you mentioned, between the 50 year old and the 12 year old on one hand, and the adult homosexual couple on the other, is that the homosexual couple, can both give consent to what they are doing. The 50 year old can consent, the 12 year old cannot.

Being a pedophile in itself is not a crime. You are allowed to be attracted to minors. The crime happens once you actually act on your pedophilia and abuse the minor. This is a crime, not because of the age difference itself, but because the minor cannot consent to it - Thus, legally, it's rape/molestation, and the 12 year old's "consent" is irrelevant. If you were 70, and had sex with an 18 year old, it would also be outside of what's deemed socially acceptable - but no crime has been committed because two adults consented. If a homosexual couple of two consenting adults choose to be in a relationship, sure, it's outside the norm, but no one has been abused, no one has been molested, and no one's rights have been violated.

What has or hasn't been a social norm for centuries should not matter in 21st century law making. May I remind you that slavery was also an acceptable norm for thousands of years? Democracy was unheard of just a couple of centuries ago. Even interracial relationships were seen until as recently as the 20th century (and by some still) as unnatural and taboo, and many US states had laws against interracial marriages (Alabama had it on the books until 1999, though not in practice). Some of the "elders" in my family still consider it outside the norm that I'm married to an Asian-American.

As for incest - This is illegal for a reason as Nola stated. If you chose to marry and have kids with your brother, sure, you may both be consenting, but now you're also affecting a 3rd party - A child, whose chances of growing up with significant birth defects are quadrupled.

The late US supreme court justice Wendell Holmes Jr. once said "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins."

Edited November 22, 2012 by Jay Jay

[decocker 7,198]

Can I beg to disagree with you on this point? What if you were the child of such a union between a brother and sister? If they couldn't respect the incest taboos about siblings, who is to say they could respect them with regards to their own offspring? Let't not even speak of the increased risk in birth defects.

Some taboos, like incest, are there for a reason and they can negatively impact both the offspring that are produced, the whole family, and the community.

if incest became legal everywhere in the u.s. - say, today..i sincerely doubt you'd find an increase in family members 'hooking up' after thanksgiving dinner. incest would still be taboo and the vast majority of people would still want nothing to do with it.

and really, there are children born everyday with birth defects, addicted to drugs, or just raised completely ignorant. some people shouldn't have kids, ALOT of people shouldn't have kids. unfortunately, trying to control who procreates isn't very effective.

[decocker 7,198]

Get your own thoughts and ideas will'ya.

sure danno. i've got loads of thoughts and ideas. you can't grasp them so you decide they aren't my own in order to dismiss them. it's cool. the question about the orphan my dear, started with you.

[jaycali 415]

if incest became legal everywhere in the u.s. - say, today..i sincerely doubt you'd find an increase in family members 'hooking up' after thanksgiving dinner. incest would still be taboo and the vast majority of people would still want nothing to do with it.and really, there are children born everyday with birth defects, addicted to drugs, or just raised completely ignorant. some people shouldn't have kids, ALOT of people shouldn't have kids. unfortunately, trying to control who procreates isn't very effective.

What is taboo and what is legal are two very different things. What is taboo and what actually affects other people directly are also two different things.

Children are born every day with birth defects, sure, that doesn't mean the likelihood of a birth defect doesn't quadruple when the parents are immediate relatives.

If there was a law against smoking and/or drinking during pregnancy, I'd be all for it too. Not because I think drinking and smoking should be banned, but because it may in this case harm another person.

[decocker 7,198]

What is taboo and what is legal are two very different things. What is taboo and what actually affects other people directly are also two different things.

Children are born every day with birth defects, sure, that doesn't mean the likelihood of a birth defect doesn't quadruple when the parents are immediate relatives.

If there was a law against smoking and/or drinking during pregnancy, I'd be all for it too. Not because I think drinking and smoking should be banned, but because it may in this case harm another person.

so then, you believe that the reason most people don't partake in incest is because there's a law forbidding it? i don't.

if there were a law against smoking or drinking during pregnancy - how would you enforce it? would you put the offending moms in jail and put their kids up for adoption once they're born? would there be some sort of mommy probation put in place.

why is the default answer to every negative behavior more policing?

there's a reason that the u.s has the largest prison population in the world - we seem to believe that by locking people up we can modify their behavior. there are more than six million people rotting in jail right now. do you feel safer?

The U.S. has 760 prisoners per 100,000 citizens.

How does that compare to other countries?

It's 7X-10X as high:

Japan has 63 per 100,000,

Germany has 90 per 100,000

France has 96 per 100,000

South Korea has 97 per 100,000

­Britain has 153 per 100,000

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-23/news/31228384_1_drugs-prisoners-jail#ixzz2CyIFkK8B

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

there's a reason that the u.s has the largest prison population in the world

Could it be that the nation was founded by religious zealots, smugglers, debtors, and other assorted criminals? I wonder how Australia rates in incarcerated per capita.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

[jaycali 415]

so then, you believe that the reason most people don't partake in incest is because there's a law forbidding it? i don't.if there were a law against smoking or drinking during pregnancy - how would you enforce it? would you put the offending moms in jail and put their kids up for adoption once they're born? would there be some sort of mommy probation put in place.why is the default answer to every negative behavior more policing?there's a reason that the u.s has the largest prison population in the world - we seem to believe that by locking people up we can modify their behavior. there are more than six million people rotting in jail right now. do you feel safer? Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-23/news/31228384_1_drugs-prisoners-jail#ixzz2CyIFkK8B

No, I believe most people don't partake in incest because it's generally not accepted in most parts of the world, and in our part of the world is considered completely and utterly unacceptable. However, I wouldn't agree with it being illegal if it wasn't for the fact that it can harm a child.

I generally don't agree with more policing, but I do think a mother's ability to raise a child comes into question if she smokes or drinks excessively during pregnancy.

[decocker 7,198]

Could it be that the nation was founded by religious zealots, smugglers, debtors, and other assorted criminals? I wonder how Australia rates in incarcerated per capita.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

nah. no way. people are good and those that do harm to others or themselves are in need of compassion and rehabilitation. you would think that considering how many people in this country are religious, we'd collectively have more faith in ourselves to live without constant policing and laws for everything under the sun. we are all made in god's image, right? laws don't detract from negative behaviors, they simply justify policing and incarceration. they make scared people feel better, at least something is being done..even if that something is completely ineffective.

[decocker 7,198]

No, I believe most people don't partake in incest because it's generally not accepted in most parts of the world, and in our part of the world is considered completely and utterly unacceptable. However, I wouldn't agree with it being illegal if it wasn't for the fact that it can harm a child.

I generally don't agree with more policing, but I do think a mother's ability to raise a child comes into question if she smokes or drinks excessively during pregnancy.

i believe that most people don't partake in incest because they don't want to. the act of incest itself doesn't automatically spawn a child, does it? i am not a fan of incest or care if it's legal or illegal or the ultimate supreme no-no of all the land..there are all sorts of decisions people can make that indirectly harm others or could potentially harm others. i'm very interested in knowing how'd we'd go about determining policing a mother's ability to raise a child? two crack heads should never have a child, right? should we outlaw crack head sex?

of course a mother's ability to provide a healthy environment comes into question if she smokes or drinks. what about if she gets caught speeding while pregnant? does this mean she will drive erratically with her child once it's born? should we take her driver's license away for a couple years, just in case? i'm not excusing poor choices or behavior here, i'm questioning how we determine who and what can actually be effectively controlled and prevented.

[Love's JAA 100]

Could it be that the nation was founded by religious zealots, smugglers, debtors, and other assorted criminals? I wonder how Australia rates in incarcerated per capita.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

On the chart, Australia is in the 100-150 bracket.