A NOT politically correct view on Homosexuality.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Maven, you are the classic arch type of why I wrote the original post. So quick to accuse me of hating. So full of righteous indignation you can't see straight. I simply do NOT hate all homosexuals. Unlike so many here who profess to be good and loving of all peoples(as they viciously attack anyone who doesn't agree with homosexuality) - I do hate some things....but I can say in all honestly I have never felt hatred for someone because the are gay. Of course in your rage of ignorance you would never believe me, but frankly I find your ignorant rage more pathetic than upsetting. Love is not defined by accepting 100% the choices of another person...if that were true, there would be no love in this world. We love people without approving of every part of them. And if I'm not mistaken, homosexuality may define sexual preference....but it is not all there is to a person.

And you are absolutely right - marriage is NOT only about sex....but homosexuality is. It is lifestyle and definition based PURELY on sexual orientation. But as I just said, sexual orientation is just a side of of who a human being is. But I also believe that marriage is not a right, its a title. And while I do think everyone should be treated equally, that doesn't neccesarily mean we all need to have the same "titles." If you actually read any of my posts (while removing your intent to see prejudice and hate) you may have noticed that I have stated on numerous occasions I fully support homosexual couples having all the rights and happiness of everyone else. True "rights." In point of fact I did not at any time state they should not have those rights - nor did I ever say they shouldn't be able to marry and call it marriage. My current leanings are to leave marriage as a "man and woman" - but unlike you, I am open to changing my opinion - given an argument not laced with rage. I'll never agree that homosexuality is right and natural. But I do not equate that with any hatred, or even with believing homosexuals shouldn't be able to marry. Again, your blind rage glossed over that all important fact.

The problem with folks like you Maven is that although you are obviously intelligent, your personal prejudice and hatred of people who do not support homosexuality has blinded you. The sad reality is you are drawing a line in the sand, when there doesn't need to be one. Why can't we find a solution for people like me - Good people who do care about others, honestly have no hatred towards homosexuals, but also have personal morals about what is right and wrong in life. You'd be so much more productive trying to find a middle ground, than just flying off the handle and calling people "turds." I personally think there is a solution - but as long as people see this as purely a hate and prejudice issue, nothing else, then there will always be a fight.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Maven, you are the classic arch type of why I wrote the original post. So quick to accuse me of hating. So full of righteous indignation you can't see straight. I simply do NOT hate all homosexuals. Unlike so many here who profess to be good and loving of all peoples(as they viciously attack anyone who doesn't agree with homosexuality) - I do hate some things....but I can say in all honestly I have never felt hatred for someone because the are gay. Of course in your rage of ignorance you would never believe me, but frankly I find your ignorant rage more pathetic than upsetting. Love is not defined by accepting 100% the choices of another person...if that were true, there would be no love in this world. We love people without approving of every part of them. And if I'm not mistaken, homosexuality may define sexual preference....but it is not all there is to a person.

And you are absolutely right - marriage is NOT only about sex....but homosexuality is. It is lifestyle and definition based PURELY on sexual orientation. But as I just said, sexual orientation is just a side of of who a human being is. But I also believe that marriage is not a right, its a title. And while I do think everyone should be treated equally, that doesn't neccesarily mean we all need to have the same "titles." If you actually read any of my posts (while removing your intent to see prejudice and hate) you may have noticed that I have stated on numerous occasions I fully support homosexual couples having all the rights and happiness of everyone else. True "rights." In point of fact I did not at any time state they should not have those rights - nor did I ever say they shouldn't be able to marry and call it marriage. My current leanings are to leave marriage as a "man and woman" - but unlike you, I am open to changing my opinion - given an argument not laced with rage. I'll never agree that homosexuality is right and natural. But I do not equate that with any hatred, or even with believing homosexuals shouldn't be able to marry. Again, your blind rage glossed over that all important fact.

The problem with folks like you Maven is that although you are obviously intelligent, your personal prejudice and hatred of people who do not support homosexuality has blinded you. The sad reality is you are drawing a line in the sand, when there doesn't need to be one. Why can't we find a solution for people like me - Good people who do care about others, honestly have no hatred towards homosexuals, but also have personal morals about what is right and wrong in life. You'd be so much more productive trying to find a middle ground, than just flying off the handle and calling people "turds." I personally think there is a solution - but as long as people see this as purely a hate and prejudice issue, nothing else, then there will always be a fight.

Seriously, I'm over this. You don't know me and you have the gall to say I'm full of "rage." Repeatedly. I'm not. I am rather shocked at your level of condescension and hypocrisy.

Let's leave aside the fact of your astonishingly poor reading comprehension (I did not call anyone a #######, for example). Let's focus instead on your inability to comprehend that you are prejudiced against what is a normal state of being. Homosexuality is normal. Is it average? No. But it is normal. It is natural. And yes, it has to do with sexual orientation but not necessarily with sex. Why do you care what others do? Why should this one aspect of who they are dictate the totality of their existence? I am straight but it doesn't change much

And yes, this is about hate and prejudice. What else is this about? Why else would people not want to afford the full rights of marriage to same-sex couples but for prejudice? I have yet to see one reason from you that doesn't boil down to "it's not a man and a woman having p-in-v sex."

You're a condescending, bigoted woman who -- I will say it again -- is dressing up prejudice in the guise of something less nasty. But bigotry is nasty. I support your right to think what you do, but to tell me that the people I love are wrong because you don't like whose uglies they're bumping is offensive to me.

In honour of this, I'm gonna give my boyfriend a handy tonight.

PS: it's "archetype," not "arch type." Just trying to be helpful.

Edited November 22, 2012 by the maven

[decocker 7,198]

Your condescending use of the deragatory term "homophobe" could suggest otherwise...at least for people not in your immediate family.

Believe me - I actually teach secondary educational theory, so I know all about the teenage brain...maybe even more than healthychildren.org. I also know a bit about the history of the world....and how our current social interpretations of age and what constitutes"adulthood," as well as our current beliefs about what teenagers are capable of is vastly different from the reality demonstrated throughout the entire history of the world. And as for the scientific evidence. Well you can throw down the "science says" gauntlet all you want, and link us to wonderful informative websites of new scientific findings about the human brain, and we all know what science says today is always right...oh wait... I prefer to base my ideas on the evidence found in 5000+ years of documented world history....which tells a different tale about when someone is capable of being deemed an adult. But the reality, I am in no way advocating an adult-child romantic relationship. I too subscribe to the social standard, so your attempts to inform me about the nature of children and the teenage brain are in vain....and it missed the point.

The point is - people should be free to believe homosexuality is wrong without being called a homophobe or a bigot, just like you are free to believe what you do on the matter. I could just as easily make the comparison of homosexual "rights" to that of polygamists, or incestuous relationships, instead of the teen/adult relationship. Perhaps you would consider those scenarios apples to apples. Would you support the rights of consenting adults to marry a sibling or a parent? Do you support the current population of "hidden" polygamists? I hope so....because without question there is a double standard if you do not.

But the reason people, such as myself, use the first example, is because believe it or not, the majority of the world views homosexuality as abhorrent in practice, as you view the adolescent/adult relationship. And your social standards about such a relationship are just that - YOUR social standards. Hence the references to history. But I'll spare you the history lesson. The point is, climb off the high horse of social superiority, and understand that just because some people feel homosexuality is right and good, doesn't mean everyone has too. And people should be allowed to have the same disdain for homosexuality that you do for adolescent/adult relationship...and they probably agree with you on that account anyway.

if an adult wants to marry their adult sister, or parent? okay. what do i care? how does this effect me, or my child? it doesn't in the slightest. i simply do not care. i don't care about polygamy or incest. so i don't practice polygamy or incest. see how that works?

you are free to believe that homosexuality is wrong. you are not free to escape labels, everyone gets labeled. take me for example - i am a socialist commie heathen **. if you truly believe that homosexuality is wrong, wrong enough for you to have an opinion, then own it. why are you ashamed? if someone is scared of homosexuals - they're a homophobe. doesn't matter if it's you or my grandmother.

and i like being on the high horse of social superiority. i think evolving is fun. i never said everyone had to agree with me. i am used to being in disagreement with a huge number of things with my immediate family. i don't hate them. i don't dislike them. i feel bad for them, though. it always sucks to get left behind..

Edited November 22, 2012 by val erie

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Seriously, I'm over this. You don't know me and you have the gall to say I'm full of "rage." Repeatedly. I'm not. I am rather shocked at your level of condescension and hypocrisy.

Let's leave aside the fact of your astonishingly poor reading comprehension (I did not call anyone a #######, for example). Let's focus instead on your inability to comprehend that you are prejudiced against what is a normal state of being. Homosexuality is normal. Is it average? No. But it is normal. It is natural. And yes, it has to do with sexual orientation but not necessarily with sex. Why do you care what others do? Why should this one aspect of who they are dictate the totality of their existence? I am straight but it doesn't change much

And yes, this is about hate and prejudice. What else is this about? Why else would people not want to afford the full rights of marriage to same-sex couples but for prejudice? I have yet to see one reason from you that doesn't boil down to "it's not a man and a woman having p-in-v sex."

You're a condescending, bigoted woman who -- I will say it again -- is dressing up prejudice in the guise of something less nasty. But bigotry is nasty. I support your right to think what you do, but to tell me that the people I love are wrong because you don't like whose uglies they're bumping is offensive to me.

In honour of this, I'm gonna give my boyfriend a handy tonight.

PS: it's "archetype," not "arch type." Just trying to be helpful.

Down to pointing out typo's are we maven? tsk tsk tsk.

Some people find homosexuality revolting. It actually turns their stomach.

Edited November 22, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[Darnell 8,478]

hatred of people who do not support homosexuality

That's a big group. Inside of it, is the Christian Coalition.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Down to pointing out typo's are we maven? tsk tsk tsk.

Some people find homosexuality revolting. It actually turns their stomach.

Some people find how others talk about getting women drunk on cheap wine so they can schtup them revolting. It actually turns their stomach.

[Danno 1,228]

if an adult wants to marry their adult sister, or parent? okay. what do i care? how does this effect me, or my child? it doesn't in the slightest. i simply do not care. i don't care about polygamy or incest. so i don't practice polygamy or incest. see how that works?

Hate to pick on you but you have to bring more than that. Your position is "if it don't touch my home and fam it's ok by me...... Really?

So the lady next door getting rapped, robed and screaming for help and it's just not your affair?

[decocker 7,198]

Hate to pick on you but you have to bring more than that. Your position is "if it don't touch my home and fam it's ok by me...... Really?

So the lady next door getting rapped, robed and screaming for help and it's just not your affair?

rape and robbery are both infringing on another person's rights. whenever you allow a person to get away with raping or robbing ANYONE, you might as well invite them to do the same to you and yours. big difference.

[Danno 1,228]

rape and robbery are both infringing on another person's rights. whenever you allow a person to get away with raping or robbing ANYONE, you might as well invite them to do the same to you and yours. big difference.

So you agree w/me that your line about - "not effecting you and there for not your concern" was as empty as a box of donuts at Michael Moores house?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Down to pointing out typo's are we maven? tsk tsk tsk.

Some people find homosexuality revolting. It actually turns their stomach.

Why should we care what those people think? There are plenty of things in life that I do not agree with, but I don't presume to tell others how to live their lives. It's not my place.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

So, in your personal opinion, a 50 year-old man having sex with his 12 year-old wife, as Mohammad did, and as it perfectly legal and socially accepted in Iran, is a crime? Are you discriminating against older men, Iranians, Islam, or their social standards then?

Yes a 50 year old having sex with a 12 year old is morally wrong. So is stoning women accused of adultery, or cutting a young girls ####### out . and all the other backwards ####### ####### the Islamic fundamentalist impose on their own people. Just because Iran allows it does not make it right. Do you really want to live in a Islamic Fundamentalist regime ? i don't. We are supposed to be better than that. That includes equal rights for all people.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Hate to pick on you but you have to bring more than that. Your position is "if it don't touch my home and fam it's ok by me...... Really?

So the lady next door getting rapped, robed and screaming for help and it's just not your affair?

A lady next door getting raped and robbed is in danger and having her rights being taken away against her will. That's a bit different than two consenting adults in a relationship harming no one. These extreme examples you come up with just reinforce how stupid your argument is.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

When America used to be right in the head....

You do know that was make believe don't you ?

[Danno 1,228]

Why should we care what those people think? There are plenty of things in life that I do not agree with, but I don't presume to tell others how to live their lives. It's not my place.

Yet you do this all the time when you suggest people should not hold certain views.

I think we would be closer to the truth if you just said

"I don't object to things... I don't object to."

[Penny Lane 8,159]

You do know that was make believe don't you ?

Apparently not everybody lives in the real world.

Yet you do this all the time when you suggest people should not hold certain views.

I think we would be closer to the truth if you just said

"I don't object to things... I don't object to."

I have never once told someone to stop thinking the way they do. You can be as anti-homosexual as you'd like. Just don't get angry when the majority do not agree with and the majority do not want your personal beliefs made into laws for other people to follow.

I find it offensive when people compare homosexuals to child molesters, pedophiles, people who participate in bestiality. So I will speak up and say it's offensive. There's no need to insult people simply because you don't like their lifestyle. I'm sick of the "they're freak shows, they're sick, they're unnatural" nonsense.

Please tell me ONE time I have seriously told you how to live your life.

Edited November 22, 2012 by Evylin