USEM Post Interview Updates

[Tintin and Mike 127]

We were lucky enough to get our I-129F petition approved in 85 days without RFE. Paid visa fee the moment MNL case number was assigned. The only available date online at the time was October 25, so I grabbed it even it was 8 weeks away from NOA2. Right after I've booked the interview, lots of members got an earlier ones. We've stayed positive and kept the original and said, they've been waiting longer than we have so they've deserved to be ahead of us. Plus lots of time to send out supporting docs through USPS although I got everything ready long before we've received the approval.

2 weeks prior to the interview, he went to St Luke, Chest RA and Physical exam were great until he met with the Psychologist. He was the petitioner against the ex-wife and Psychological Incapacity was the ground for Annulment. He was asked to answer few pages of Family and Social history then instructed to come back in 2 weeks for a Psych Eval, 1 day shy to his interview day. We went along hoping that he'll be alright and was promised that SLEC will re-schedule him.

On the day of Psych Eval, he told me that he never felt so little about himself and treated like a criminal. He was yelled at by the older male PhD and siding the ex-wife. Whatever the purpose were, provocation maybe was degrading. As his future wife I was crying when he told me all about it. How could someone or anyone at that facility could easily do that to anyone, authoritative much? Position got into their heads? I've asked if he got his name, he said nothing was visible. He then asked to call in 2-3 business days.

After the 2nd day (except weekends) he got his vaccination and RA results. He asked them if they'll reschedule him but they give him all the alibis in the world. Until he gave up and just have me to it. Staff were rude and inconsistent with their replies.

I was able to schedule him on November 19 and so he went yesterday. He was confident enough and was not nervous at all. There were few younger women next to him and he was nice to talk to them and encouraged them that it will be okay.

He got up to the Filipino CO, handed over all the DS forms, NBI, Annotated Marriage Certificate, Birth Certificate and I-134. She asked for our photos and looking at all of them. She said they were nice and make sure to show the American CO. Everything looked great.

Then it's time with American CO, he was a middle aged man and only asked few question about himself and the usual. With a long pause, he said 'so I've heard your fiancee was married, did you know about that?' in his neutral tone of voice. Mike answered it like 'WHAT!? NO! She was never married.' He then added, 'yes looked like she went to Virgin Islands.' He asked again, 'when, with who, how?' but the CO didn't disclose any of those information. He was then asked to take a seat just few chairs away.

The CO asked a couple of Filipino CO to look at the computer, which appears like they're looking at some marriage records. He overheard them say, 'How is that possible? Try using her Middle Name.' He was asked to come over again, asking if he knew I was married. He said the same, 'She was never married.' CO said, 'I know, I know. We will fix this. Oh btw, you'll need the Police Report from South Korea too. Please exit that way.'

He didn't go out right away, as my pre-instruction to him was 'if he didn't get an approval to make sure to get 221(g) from the releasing window.' So he asked 2 of the staff wearing blue shirt. Told them what happened and asked, 'What visa category are you applying for?' He said, 'K1.' Oh you won't need it just go to the South Korean Embassy now and send it to 2Go. He asked a couple more of ladies by the window and said the same thing.

He was still in shock with what just happened and can't think straight anymore, so he left the building without definitive answers. No 221(g), no further instructions as how he'll send it to 2Go. As if they'll expect you to know what to do next. They kept his passport and no direct denial. The only good thing he got out of it after everything.

He went straight to South Korean Embassy and filed out the request form and said it will take about 6 weeks to receive it. Then he went home and told me the bad news at 11pm PST and I've been up since then.

That's that, now the questions and ranting begins.

1. How in the world that I was married without knowing it? I never passed out and woke up in a totally strange place and married.

2. Who the hell is the guy I allegedly married?

3. What took them so long to investigate our case? They have out case since September.

4. If my marital status was in question, then why didn't we get an RFE at USCIS level? Oh wait, RFE is just a courtesy from the USCIS.

5. Why are they asking for South Korean Police Reports when it clearly state in the Country Reciprocity Schedule that if applicant is outside the country that it is unavailable? So it's N/A although it's on the list.

6. I've acquired 5 Marriage Records, 1 Divorce Record and 6 individual with my First and Middle Name but none of my Last Name and matches my DOB. I got these online which I have to pay to get a full access.

7. I've tried calling the Country Clerk in San Diego and they've required the name of the Groom (which I have no dang idea who he was) and Date of Marriage. I said, 'I don't have those information' and she said, 'we'll that's like needle in the haystack' (I'm like, no ****!?). I've asked if she could direct me to the right people who could help, try Vital Records but they'll ask for the same.

8. I've scanned all pages of my old Philippine passports to show I was never in Virgin Islands. US Citizen doesn't need passport to go in and out.

9. I've created Letter of Reconsideration contesting the previous allegation.

10. Now with all these documentations to prove that woman who married that man wasn't me, how do I proceed? Mail these to USEM using 2Go?

11. Why do bad things happen to good people? I've always try to be the righteous one. Did things the right way and never cheated the system.

12. USC folks, is there any way to clear my name? It's not like credit that I could easily get a hold of TransUnion, Experian and Equifax you know. Or should I just leave USEM to prove themselves wrong?

You've made it to the bottom of this thread. Thanks for hearing me out and any input will be greatly appreciated.

Edited November 20, 2012 by Tintin and Mike

[Bumbero 130]

First of all, it is really sad to hear that you have another "hoop" to jump through, especially after soooo many already. I knew something was wrong when I logged in today, hope to see you approved and didn't.

Second, it doesn't sound like ID theft, it sounds like mistaken identity. Why they waited all this time to find out at the last minute on a "hit" in their database, I have no clue. The proof will come with copies of your passport and their internal investigation. If the birthdays don't match on the hit, they will figure it out. Unfortunately, this is just going to take valuable time.

Maybe a letter from the South Korean Embassy stating they cannot issue a police clearance to him might help? They SHOULD know that already but maybe the US embassy overlooked it?

Anyways, I pray that this is all figured out soon because I can't imagine how hard everything is for you and Mike now.

I'm sure that the senior members will have a lot more to say about this but from me, Ingat, God bless and you are in my prayers....

Edited November 20, 2012 by Bumbero

[Tintin and Mike 127]

First of all, it is really sad to hear that you have another "hoop" to jump through, especially after soooo many already. I knew something was wrong when I logged in today, hope to see you approved and didn't.

Second, it doesn't sound like ID theft, it sounds like mistaken identity. Why they waited all this time to find out at the last minute on a "hit" in their database, I have no clue. The proof will come with copies of your passport and their internal investigation. If the birthdays don't match on the hit, they will figure it out. Unfortunately, this is just going to take valuable time.

Maybe a letter from the South Korean Embassy stating they cannot issue a police clearance to him might help? They SHOULD know that already but maybe the US embassy overlooked it?

Anyways, I pray that this is all figured out soon because I can't imagine how hard everything is for you and Mike now.

I'm sure that the senior members will have a lot more to say about this but from me, Ingat, God bless and you are in my prayers....

That's what I've thought, SSN and DOB should be a match and not just my 1st and middle names alone (as they're pretty common with Filipinos and Latinos)

Thanks for the well wishes

[wilfon 30]

We were lucky enough to get our I-129F petition approved in 85 days without RFE. Paid visa fee the moment MNL case number was assigned. The only available date online at the time was October 25, so I grabbed it even it was 8 weeks away from NOA2. Right after I've booked the interview, lots of members got an earlier ones. We've stayed positive and kept the original and said, they've been waiting longer than we have so they've deserved to be ahead of us. Plus lots of time to send out supporting docs through USPS although I got everything ready long before we've received the approval.

2 weeks prior to the interview, he went to St Luke, Chest RA and Physical exam were great until he met with the Psychologist. He was the petitioner against the ex-wife and Psychological Incapacity was the ground for Annulment. He was asked to answer few pages of Family and Social history then instructed to come back in 2 weeks for a Psych Eval, 1 day shy to his interview day. We went along hoping that he'll be alright and was promised that SLEC will re-schedule him.

On the day of Psych Eval, he told me that he never felt so little about himself and treated like a criminal. He was yelled at by the older male PhD and siding the ex-wife. Whatever the purpose were, provocation maybe was degrading. As his future wife I was crying when he told me all about it. How could someone or anyone at that facility could easily do that to anyone, authoritative much? Position got into their heads? I've asked if he got his name, he said nothing was visible. He then asked to call in 2-3 business days.

After the 2nd day (except weekends) he got his vaccination and RA results. He asked them if they'll reschedule him but they give him all the alibis in the world. Until he gave up and just have me to it. Staff were rude and inconsistent with their replies.

I was able to schedule him on November 19 and so he went yesterday. He was confident enough and was not nervous at all. There were few younger women next to him and he was nice to talk to them and encouraged them that it will be okay.

He got up to the Filipino CO, handed over all the DS forms, NBI, Annotated Marriage Certificate, Birth Certificate and I-134. She asked for our photos and looking at all of them. She said they were nice and make sure to show the American CO. Everything looked great.

Then it's time with American CO, he was a middle aged man and only asked few question about himself and the usual. With a long pause, he said 'so I've heard your fiancee was married, did you know about that?' in his neutral tone of voice. Mike answered it like 'WHAT!? NO! She was never married.' He then added, 'yes looked like she went to Virgin Islands.' He asked again, 'when, with who, how?' but the CO didn't disclose any of those information. He was then asked to take a seat just few chairs away.

The CO asked a couple of Filipino CO to look at the computer, which appears like they're looking at some marriage records. He overheard them say, 'How is that possible? Try using her Middle Name.' He was asked to come over again, asking if he knew I was married. He said the same, 'She was never married.' CO said, 'I know, I know. We will fix this. Oh btw, you'll need the Police Report from South Korea too. Please exit that way.'

He didn't go out right away, as my pre-instruction to him was 'if he didn't get an approval to make sure to get 221(g) from the releasing window.' So he asked 2 of the staff wearing blue shirt. Told them what happened and asked, 'What visa category are you applying for?' He said, 'K1.' Oh you won't need it just go to the South Korean Embassy now and send it to 2Go. He asked a couple more of ladies by the window and said the same thing.

He was still in shock with what just happened and can't think straight anymore, so he left the building without definitive answers. No 221(g), no further instructions as how he'll send it to 2Go. As if they'll expect you to know what to do next. They kept his passport and no direct denial. The only good thing he got out of it after everything.

He went straight to South Korean Embassy and filed out the request form and said it will take about 6 weeks to receive it. Then he went home and told me the bad news at 11pm PST and I've been up since then.

That's that, now the questions and ranting begins.

1. How in the world that I was married without knowing it? I never passed out and woke up in a totally strange place and married.

2. Who the hell is the guy I allegedly married?

3. What took them so long to investigate our case? They have out case since September.

4. If my marital status was in question, then why didn't we get an RFE at USCIS level? Oh wait, RFE is just a courtesy from the USCIS.

5. Why are they asking for South Korean Police Reports when it clearly state in the Country Reciprocity Schedule that if applicant is outside the country that it is unavailable? So it's N/A although it's on the list.

6. I've acquired 5 Marriage Records, 1 Divorce Record and 6 individual with my First and Middle Name but none of my Last Name and matches my DOB. I got these online which I have to pay to get a full access.

7. I've tried calling the Country Clerk in San Diego and they've required the name of the Groom (which I have no dang idea who he was) and Date of Marriage. I said, 'I don't have those information' and she said, 'we'll that's like needle in the haystack' (I'm like, no ****!?). I've asked if she could direct me to the right people who could help, try Vital Records but they'll ask for the same.

8. I've scanned all pages of my old Philippine passports to show I was never in Virgin Islands. US Citizen doesn't need passport to go in and out.

9. I've created Letter of Reconsideration contesting the previous allegation.

10. Now with all these documentations to prove that woman who married that man wasn't me, how do I proceed? Mail these to USEM using 2Go?

11. Why do bad things happen to good people? I've always try to be the righteous one. Did things the right way and never cheated the system.

12. USC folks, is there any way to clear my name? It's not like credit that I could easily get a hold of TransUnion, Experian and Equifax you know. Or should I just leave USEM to prove themselves wrong?

You've made it to the bottom of this thread. Thanks for hearing me out and any input will be greatly appreciated.

So sorry to hear about another delay for you guys. The USEM should know what countries won't give out Police Clearances. This is another unecessary delay for you guys, especially if it says it right on the website. I have printed ours out in case they try to tell us to get one when it is not available to anyone not in the country. Maybe you guys can print it out and go back there and show them. Good luck to you, I hope you two are together soon.

[Tintin and Mike 127]

So sorry to hear about another delay for you guys. The USEM should know what countries won't give out Police Clearances. This is another unecessary delay for you guys, especially if it says it right on the website. I have printed ours out in case they try to tell us to get one when it is not available to anyone not in the country. Maybe you guys can print it out and go back there and show them. Good luck to you, I hope you two are together soon.

Yeah that was the letter of reconsideration for and stating the article:

Police Records

Korean National Police Certificate (Crime-Investigation History Report: Bomjoi-Soosa Kyongreok Johoi Hoiboseo) is available to visa applicants of any nationality who are physically present in South Korea. The new KNPC now includes all serious crimes since 1945, regardless of expungement benefits under Korean law, and misdemeanors for five years, according to the Individual Information Protection Law of March 2003.

Applicants presently in Korea: Foreign nationals, regardless of visa status, and Korean citizens must apply in person at any local police station. The KNP checks non-Koreans according to the requestor's Korean alien registration card or passport. Korean citizens must show a Korean identity card with the Korean citizen's unique, lifetime Korean identification number, which is found on Korean national identity cards and Korean passports adjacent to the applicant's name. KNP processing is no fee and takes less than one hour. The new KNPC bears a red ink half inch square stamp on the bottom containing the Korean characters for National Police. It is issued in Korean only and applicants must attach a complete English translation, certified as true and correct by anyone competent in Korean and English, for the visa interview. A simple computer printout of criminal records is issued with the Korean annotation for information only, has no red ink stamp and is not a KNPC for visa purposes.

Applicants outside of Korea: Unavailable.

But I'm not sure how to send it out, using 2Go or email?

Thank you, I guess the winter wedding will not happen

[Bumbero 130]

Yeah that was the letter of reconsideration for and stating the article:

Police Records

Korean National Police Certificate (Crime-Investigation History Report: Bomjoi-Soosa Kyongreok Johoi Hoiboseo) is available to visa applicants of any nationality who are physically present in South Korea. The new KNPC now includes all serious crimes since 1945, regardless of expungement benefits under Korean law, and misdemeanors for five years, according to the Individual Information Protection Law of March 2003.

Applicants presently in Korea: Foreign nationals, regardless of visa status, and Korean citizens must apply in person at any local police station. The KNP checks non-Koreans according to the requestor's Korean alien registration card or passport. Korean citizens must show a Korean identity card with the Korean citizen's unique, lifetime Korean identification number, which is found on Korean national identity cards and Korean passports adjacent to the applicant's name. KNP processing is no fee and takes less than one hour. The new KNPC bears a red ink half inch square stamp on the bottom containing the Korean characters for National Police. It is issued in Korean only and applicants must attach a complete English translation, certified as true and correct by anyone competent in Korean and English, for the visa interview. A simple computer printout of criminal records is issued with the Korean annotation for information only, has no red ink stamp and is not a KNPC for visa purposes.

Applicants outside of Korea: Unavailable.

But I'm not sure how to send it out, using 2Go or email?

Thank you, I guess the winter wedding will not happen

I would 1)Call the embassy to explain 2)email and 3)send by 2go. One way or another, they will receive the information. When you contact the embassy, you can always ask their preferred method and go from there too. I guess with our goverenment always have a back-up to your back-up. Remember the OCD comments from earlier posts??

[Tintin and Mike 127]

I would 1)Call the embassy to explain 2)email and 3)send by 2go. One way or another, they will receive the information. When you contact the embassy, you can always ask their preferred method and go from there too. I guess with our goverenment always have a back-up to your back-up. Remember the OCD comments from earlier posts??

Yeah lol, actually Mike is back at USEM right now. I told him to ask what's needed and to confirm he doesn't need 221(g) or not. I've emailed them last night actually but I still haven't any reply. I've tried tracking the passport too but it yield no updates. I will call tomorrow if 1st thing in the morning their time and get this mess straighten out

Edited November 20, 2012 by Tintin and Mike

[Bumbero 130]

Yeah lol, actually Mike is back at USEM right now. I told him to ask what's needed and to confirm he doesn't need 221(g) or not. I've emailed them last night actually but I still haven't any reply. I've tried tracking the passport too but it yield no updates. I will call tomorrow if 1st thing in the morning their time and get this mess straighten out

Nice work! I remember when I was a kid watching episodes of MASH. Radar always asking his superiors to fill out this form and that form all in triplicate and multiple copies of each. All that just to obtain a turkey for Thanksgiving! LOL. It was a satire back then BUT it's amazing how true it turns out to be when dealing with the US Government!

I guess two good things out of this is they kept his passport and no 221(g)? I am sure that this will all work out. Don't give up hope yet for a winter wedding!

[Tintin and Mike 127]

Nice work! I remember when I was a kid watching episodes of MASH. Radar always asking his superiors to fill out this form and that form all in triplicate and multiple copies of each. All that just to obtain a turkey for Thanksgiving! LOL. It was a satire back then BUT it's amazing how true it turns out to be when dealing with the US Government!

I guess two good things out of this is they kept his passport and no 221(g)? I am sure that this will all work out. Don't give up hope yet for a winter wedding!

Hahaha yup!

I felt bad for Mike, he's taking on the heat from me when my more evil twins nags

[Bumbero 130]

Hahaha yup!

I felt bad for Mike, he's taking on the heat from me when my more evil twins nags

All women have that evil twin and guys are used to dealing with it!

I think I would be a demon in this situation, not just evil! It's good you're focusing him on the task, because if I was in his shoes, I'd be lost!

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[Tintin and Mike 127]

Updates

Mike said his visa was approved and wait for a call or email from them! Shoot, all of that for nothing? LOL so emotional!

Thanks everyone!

[James and Leny 0]

Updates

Mike said his visa was approved and wait for a call or email from them! Shoot, all of that for nothing? LOL so emotional!

Thanks everyone!

CONGRATULATIONS Tintin and Mike!!!! :-)

I got so sad and worried about your post. I'm so glad that the worries are over now. God is so good.!!! :-) God bless you and your journey together. :-)

[C-ma'am 684]

Congrats

[D N Medellin COL 75]

Updates

Mike said his visa was approved and wait for a call or email from them! Shoot, all of that for nothing? LOL so emotional!

Thanks everyone!

A congrats is in order to the both of you. This being said it never ceases to amaze me how reactive and impatient people are, its simply our nature. What ever happened to being still for just a moment and allowing life to unfold, the good, the difficult, the joys and the rewards of having an inward sense of confidence and empowerment, a trust in a higher power something greater than us and this life. OK enough of philosophy - Good luck to you both!