Palestinian death toll in Gaza reaches 100

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I am against Israels aggression on the Gaza strip...but I am also against Hamas's rockets being fired to Israel. There is no total way to avoid civilian death in Gaza...everything in the Gaza strip is Hamas. The government is ran by Hamas, the health departments and hospitals are ran by hamas, the media is ran by hamas, the schools are ran by hamas, everything in the Gaza strip is controlled by Hamas. In Israel there is the Iron Dome who protects the civilians.

You wanna end this conflict? One simple solution...

END THE BLOCKADE ON GAZA! I promise you there would be rare violence in the region if the blockade was lifted.

That is all...now bash me

I think the question to ask is, Does the blockade work. IE is it limiting rockets coming into the territory. If not then it has no point but collective punishment.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I am against Israels aggression on the Gaza strip...but I am also against Hamas's rockets being fired to Israel. There is no total way to avoid civilian death in Gaza...everything in the Gaza strip is Hamas. The government is ran by Hamas, the health departments and hospitals are ran by hamas, the media is ran by hamas, the schools are ran by hamas, everything in the Gaza strip is controlled by Hamas. In Israel there is the Iron Dome who protects the civilians.

You wanna end this conflict? One simple solution...

END THE BLOCKADE ON GAZA! I promise you there would be rare violence in the region if the blockade was lifted.

That is all...now bash me

Open up that blockade and it will only mean more arms to Hamas. Hamas does not recognize the state of Israel.

[abezyo 35]

I think the question to ask is, Does the blockade work. IE is it limiting rockets coming into the territory. If not then it has no point but collective punishment.

The blockade is certainly working in parts such as humanitarian aid being blocked from Gaza hospitals and people in need of medical assitance...or food and trade being blocked by the blockade. Its certainly doing a great job in those aspects. Look you cant expect Palestinians or Hamas for that matter to be armed with some sort of weapons. Do you really think they will continue shooting rockets if the blockade is lifted? Of course not because there will be more freedom and better living in the Gaza Strip! All I'm saying is...this isnt because of some silly assassination nor is it because of the rockets fired at a IDF jeep...this is simply because of the blockade on Gaza.

[chaine1 116]

One state, equal rights for all.

I lived in the Middle East for 5 years, and if anyone REALLY thinks this, they are living in a la-la land with rainbows and unicorns.

From my perspective and observations - the Palestinians have built their entire society and present mentality around the injustice that exists because Israel exists (I am not commenting on the right or wrongness of the existence of Israel, just commenting on the Palestinian reaction). Many of them vehemently feel that Israel should not even exist, and will never accept the reality of a Jewish state in the area. This mentality has spread to other Arab states, and this ‘support’ has only reinforced the Palestinian struggle against Israel. To some, this injustice warrants violence in order to ensure that Israel ceases to exist.

Anyone seriously suggesting Israel and the Palestinians could live together as one state under the current vitriol and bitterness is delusional. I think even two separate states is very optimistic at this point.

[abezyo 35]

Open up that blockade and it will only mean more arms to Hamas. Hamas does not recognize the state of Israel.

Israel doesn't recognize any form of government in Palestine...Hamas or Fatah. Nor does it ever want to recognize any government in Palestine.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

The blockade is certainly working in parts such as humanitarian aid being blocked from Gaza hospitals and people in need of medical assitance...or food and trade being blocked by the blockade. Its certainly doing a great job in those aspects. Look you cant expect Palestinians or Hamas for that matter to be armed with some sort of weapons. Do you really think they will continue shooting rockets if the blockade is lifted? Of course not because there will be more freedom and better living in the Gaza Strip! All I'm saying is...this isnt because of some silly assassination nor is it because of the rockets fired at a IDF jeep...this is simply because of the blockade on Gaza.

The democratically elected government of Gaza aka Hamas does not recognize the state of Israel. It does not recognize Israels right to exist.

The people of Gaza knew what they were getting into when they continued to vote for Hamas over and over and over again. So how can you feel sorry for someone who had a clue as to what it would be like when they elected Hamas? Until Hamas recognizes Israels right to exist this is where it's at. It's Yassir Arafat and the PLO all over again. Don't feel sorry for those people when they chose this. They had a choice.

Edited November 19, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I lived in the Middle East for 5 years, and if anyone REALLY thinks this, they are living in a la-la land with rainbows and unicorns.

From my perspective and observations - the Palestinians have built their entire society and present mentality around the injustice that exists because Israel exists (I am not commenting on the right or wrongness of the existence of Israel, just commenting on the Palestinian reaction). Many of them vehemently feel that Israel should not even exist, and will never accept the reality of a Jewish state in the area. This mentality has spread to other Arab states, and this ‘support’ has only reinforced the Palestinian struggle against Israel. To some, this injustice warrants violence in order to ensure that Israel ceases to exist.

Anyone seriously suggesting Israel and the Palestinians could live together as one state under the current vitriol and bitterness is delusional. I think even two separate states is very optimistic at this point.

:thumbs:

We get a lot of that in P&R. Posters that is that live in la la land where they see every thing through rose colored glasses.

[abezyo 35]

The democratically elected government of Gaza aka Hamas does not recognize the state of Israel.

The people of Gaza knew what they were getting into when they continued to vote for Hamas over and over and over again. So how can you feel sorry for someone who had a clue as to what it would be like when they elected Hamas? Until Hamas recognizes Israels right to exist this is where it's at. It's Yassir Arafat and the PLO all over again. Don't feel sorry for those people when they chose this. They had a choice.

The people of Gaza are refugees who were ran out of Palestine in the 1940s...are you saying Hezbollah is better than Hamas, since you know Hezbollah runs Lebanon but thats a different story I assume. Let me hit you with a little bit of an article I just read on CNN.

"Current Hamas president Khaled Meshaal has previously said the group would support a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders (prior to the Six-Day War, during which Israeli troops occupied Gaza) , with East Jerusalem as its capital."

So what was that again? The president and leader of Hamas said he will go back to pre-1967 orders and recognize Israel as a state...but Israel declines!!!! Yasser Arafat said the same thing....and Israel declines!!!!! Why?! Because a 2 state solution is impossible and wont be done ever. Israel wont recognize a Palestinian state and Palestine wont recognize a Israeli state. This is going to keep on until the day of judgement when it comes. Its just how life is and life will always be like this in the holy land. I was just making a point about civilians being killed. You think they had a choice to vote Hamas in? I think you forget Hamas going into Gaza and overthrowing the Fatah govt.

[abezyo 35]

Also the only reason the people of Gaza elect Hamas to run the strip is because they have a very effective welfare program that helps the people...and Fatah running Gaza would bring the violence of 2007 once again when Hamas overthrew Fatah. The welfare program is popular as this is something Fatah or any other party in Palestine cannot provide. That is all.

Edited November 19, 2012 by abezyo

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

The people of Gaza are refugees who were ran out of Palestine in the 1940s...are you saying Hezbollah is better than Hamas, since you know Hezbollah runs Lebanon but thats a different story I assume. Let me hit you with a little bit of an article I just read on CNN.

"Current Hamas president Khaled Meshaal has previously said the group would support a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders (prior to the Six-Day War, during which Israeli troops occupied Gaza) , with East Jerusalem as its capital."

So what was that again? The president and leader of Hamas said he will go back to pre-1967 orders and recognize Israel as a state...but Israel declines!!!! Yasser Arafat said the same thing....and Israel declines!!!!! Why?! Because a 2 state solution is impossible and wont be done ever. Israel wont recognize a Palestinian state and Palestine wont recognize a Israeli state. This is going to keep on until the day of judgement when it comes. Its just how life is and life will always be like this in the holy land. I was just making a point about civilians being killed. You think they had a choice to vote Hamas in? I think you forget Hamas going into Gaza and overthrowing the Fatah govt.

1967? What happened in 1967? Here let me help you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War <---- that happened.

You ever go to a casino and gamble? Don't gamble what you don't want to chance losing.

Edited November 19, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Do you really think they will continue shooting rockets if the blockade is lifted?

If I look back at the timing of events between the beginning rocket fire and the start of the blockade, I would yes they probably will continue with or without a blockade.

[abezyo 35]

1967? What happened in 1967? Here let me help you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War <---- that happened.

You ever go to a casino and gamble? Don't gamble what you don't want to chance losing.

I know what happened in 1967..Israel took over more land from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. Whats your point?

If I look back at the timing of events between the beginning rocket fire and the start of the blockade, I would yes they probably will continue with or without a blockade.

Well thats where opinions differ I suppose. I just think the blockade on Gaza is really detrimental on the Gazan civilians and completely unacceptable. Regardless if Hamas runs the strip or not.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I know what happened in 1967..Israel took over more land from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. Whats your point?

Well thats where opinions differ I suppose. I just think the blockade on Gaza is really detrimental on the Gazan civilians and completely unacceptable. Regardless if Hamas runs the strip or not.

We don't completely disagree. Elements of the blockade are being used as punishment IMO. The classification of goods that aren't allowed inside Gaza is fundamentally wrong.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I know what happened in 1967..Israel took over more land from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. Whats your point?

Well thats where opinions differ I suppose. I just think the blockade on Gaza is really detrimental on the Gazan civilians and completely unacceptable. Regardless if Hamas runs the strip or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War / Origins of the Six-Day War <---- That's why that war started. The Arabs living there had plenty of chances to make peace with the Jews yet they decided against it from day one of the Palestine Mandate. When Israel declared itself a country it was attacked by Arabs. It was attacked again in 1948 and the Arab countries were looking to even the score in '67 but the Jews beat them to it. Don't ever gamble what you don't want to chance losing. If Arabs in that area have anyone to blame they should blame Egypt, Syria, and Jordan for selling them out over and over and over again.

Edited November 19, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[abezyo 35]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War / Origins of the Six-Day War <---- That's why that war started. The Arabs living there had plenty of chances to make peace with the Jews yet they decided against it from day one of the Palestine Mandate. When Israel declared itself a country it was attacked by Arabs. It was attacked again in 1948 and the Arab countries were looking to even the score in '67 but the Jews beat them to it. Don't ever gamble what you don't want to chance losing. If Arabs in that area have anyone to blame they should blame Egypt, Syria, and Jordan for selling them out over and over and over again.

I guess you dont know how it feels to be living in peace and harmony with Jews in the land of Palestine where there was rarely any conflict...and then 1948 European Jews come over and take over land with there Zionist ways and mass murdering of Palestinians. But youre absolutely correct about one thing...The arabs did sell away the Palestinians. And still till this day the arabs will never help Palestine or the arabs. But I guess you can also say the same for the Syrains who have been suffering a civil war for a year and a half now. And for the record ANYONE WHO THINKS HAMAS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IRAN IS COMPLETELY DUMB! Why would Sunni Muslims wanna deal with Shia Muslims? Hezbollah is the one who deals with Iran and befriends them...not Hamas. I just wanted to put that out there.